Death of the constitution

[Dejavu]

Well most people on this site probably think that i am crazy but with the current changes that are being made in the USA with the patriot act and the military commisions act literally do scare me... Today while i was getting ready to go get some turkey i came across this video and i was wondering everyone else's take on the complete denial of the 4th amendment.



IMO this is completely Unconstitutional seeing as the police were not asked to come by anyone, are asking to search the house for no reason, and are most likely not advising the people that they have the right to refuse the unlawful search.

 

[Tok]

why the fuck are kids in possesion of guns anyway?

 

[Gerry]

why the fuck are kids in possesion of guns anyway?

Some sick bastard supplies them by suckering in kids using some kinda deal or something? idk... its the same as whats been happening in the UK this year.

This year, teenagers have been killing or been killed through gun crime. Over 10 teenagers have died. and what can the UK's police do? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

It's probably some crime syndicate who is supplying these kids with guns for low prices or probably threatening they're families, or it could be supplied by gangs. There could quite possibly be hundreds, maybe thousands of ways kids can be supplied with guns now.

Now, it don't know much about US Constitution, but if these Police Officers (as long as they do not abuse they're powers) can manage to take these guns away from kids before some other kid (God Forbid) is shot and possibly killed, then its probably a good idea.

Now, this raises the part on if said guns were used in a crime, if they were used in a crime, then the kids and parents should be brought in for formal questioning about they're activities. After all it might not have been a kid who killed someone, maybe it was an adult who offloaded his/her gun onto a kid for a cheap price. This could actually help bring dangerous mass murderers off the streets. However, if it were a kid, then they should be told to face they're faults and put on trial so that they can change they're lifestyle for the better in they're early years before adulthood.

To be perfectly honest, its a damn shame kids are getting they're hands on guns, its just sick and wrong. In my view, these kids could also be asking for guns because some of this shitty gang rap thats being brought out is glorifying gun crime. Don't get me wrong on this, there are some rap songs which are decent, I generally don't like it over rock and heavy metal. Another thing, its just soooo easy for kids to get they're hands on guns now, its just sickening. Shouldn't there be tougher laws in place to keep guns more secure from people who would sell them cheap to kids?

Well, anyways. I'm gonna end my rant for now.

 

[Makelith]

They have the option to turn it down, which means its not unconstitutional. They obviously aren't going to advise you against the search, but it isn't their fault if you are ignorant. They want to search, because they want to find the guns. If they started strong-arming people into submission it would be a completely different story.

Imagine this sale on black friday. At my gamecrazy, there is a deal for 30% off guitar hero II bundles, which gives the store a pretty heavy loss as far as margins go. We have alot of better deals that still get our store money, and while technically we are supposed to talk about all the deals, we are supposed to be more hush-hush on that one.

 

[Tagrineth]

lolFoxNews

the undisputable KINGS of sensational media.

The woman in red has the right idea here and the other dumbasses barely even let her SPEAK. Even the opposing legalist interrupts her repeatedly.

And then of course the opposition guy gets the last word...

 

[Valandil]

If you're dumb enough to let the police search your person, house, car, etc without them having probable cause or a warrant then you shouldn't be a citizen in the first place. Take a fucking civics class.

 

[Dejavu]

Heres the important part of the US constitution... its called the bill of rights

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Well the president has stated in the past that he thinks that the Constitution is just a god damned piece of paper (see link below to read more) but lets see what he has done during his term in this regard.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml

Amendment 1 - Well now talking badly about the government you can be called a domestic terrorist and arrested under the patriot act.

Amendment 2 - Well this was not bush but many argue that a lot of people have been going after this one for a while through bills such as the brady bill

Amendment 3 - Hey were upholding this one !!!

Amendment 4 - Woo this ones a good one. The NSA is allowed to do wiretaps on anyone without warrants. The police in boston are going door to door asking to enter houses for searches without probable cause. Not to mention some high profile seizures such as the liberty dollar seizure.

Amendment 5 - Oh wait... thats right no more habeus corpus... thank you military commissions act

Amendment 6 - Eh good job military commisions act once again... you can have someone testify against you secretly and not be privliged to the information that was used to convict you.

Amendment 7 - I dont think this one has been violated yet so hurray !!!

Amendment 8 - Thats right torture is illegal, but were getting such good information out of Guantanamo bay and waterboarding.

Amendment 9 - Protection against unlisted rights violations... i'm sure this has been violated but at the same time its so generic that anything i post will be argued against.

Amendment 10 - Shit we have been breaking this one forever with taxes, rowe vs. wade, morality laws, prohibition, ...

So... lets recap we have the rights that include "No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law." and "In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law."

Good thing we havent lost anything important off of the bill of rights and kept these two.

 

[Reeve]

Another reason why I am voting for Ron Paul in 2008

 

[Dejavu]

aye as am i

 

[Taurothar]

Another reason why I am voting for Ron Paul in 2008

If he makes it to the polls. I doubt he will at this rate. Guiliani seems to be the one that the Republicans can count on to have a snowball chance in hell against Hilary. Ron Paul is an amazing candidate, with good ambitions and ideas, but he's not going to make it to the Republican nomination without some serious good fortune. I don't really like the choice we have laid out in front of us, but I'm voting Republican regardless of who the candidate is, because EVERYONE is better than Hilary.

As for on topic, the constitution has been a piece of toilet paper for the administrations since the FBI and CIA were founded. They have been doing this shit illegally for dozens of years, you can't honestly believe that Bush spawned all that is unconstitutional in the country. Yes, something should be done about it, but don't act like the USA has got where it is honestly.

I love my country, and I don't approve of its current direction but if it keeps me safe to live my life, I'm happy to sacrifice a little privacy and that's all it comes down to for me. I know my rights as a citizen and I will enforce those rights to the full extent of the law if I'm being investigated. If the patriot act comes knocking on my door, it's a promise that I will fight it to the supreme court.

The patriot act will not last through another presidency in its current form. Hilary will abuse the powers of it with her fascist agenda, Ron Paul will remove it completely, others will modify it. But even if it disappears, we'll still have the monitoring of anyone the government decides worthy.

 

[Elemmire]

oh god, I really don't want Hilary in office. I don't like her >.>

 

[Tok]

oh god, I really don't want Hilary in office. I don't like her >.>

i dont really care who is in office...as long as W. isnt

 

[Lanien]

Ya know, you never really know how well a President is doing until after his presidency. The funny part is all you anti-Bush people will think you were so right after he leaves if the country starts to prosper. Now, I am not saying he is a great president, nor am I saying he is any good at all, but there are so many other worse choices.

 

[Rorschach]

Now, I am not saying he is a great president, nor am I saying he is any good at all, but there are so many other worse choices.

Zombie Nixon for President in 2008!

You want a zombie for a president, and you all know it!

 

[Tristam Green]

i dont really care who is in office...as long as W. isnt

Seriously? Not a good stance to take on politics. You *should* care who holds that office. Not saying you have to, but you should. I definitely would care if someone like...say, Pat Robertson ended up as President, or Tom DeLay (both as likely as me winning the Presidency - see what I did there?).

As for this article entirely, yes, it's warrantless searches. However, so are any searches initiated at a school, workplace, or even in the home.

The kids are not the head of the house, ergo they have zero say in the matter. Their parents and guardians do, and they are given the option to say "no thanks, I know what my kids are doing".

If the cops were breaking down doors pseudo-arresting the caregivers and searching the rooms of those children, then that's a different story altogether.

Also - this is not a Federal matter. It's city police initiating the searches, ergo this *would* fall under the jurisdiction of Amendment 10. Federal Agents are not strongarming those people (and, to be frank, neither are the city police), so the Constitution has little pull in the case...yet.

Of course, it will end up being tied in the court system for years to come, and probably will take the time of the Supreme Court, all the while draining some more tax money. Cheers to that, but hey~ it's what we pay them to do.

 

[beeznuts]

It really seems to me that this is just an attempt to get some searches in that would otherwise be difficult or outright impossible under the guise of "OMG TEH CHILDARN", and I doubt the focus will be entirely on guns as well, but that's another issue entirely.

The fact that the police are making rounds like this to begin with is iffy, in my opinion, and arguably IS against the 4th amendment. Yeah, you can turn the search down no matter what, but they shouldn't be there to begin with. Also the fact that they may not mention it, and some police officers react... badly when you tell them no, even if you are entirely within your rights.

All in all, this is a horrible idea, but throw "It's for the kids!" on the end, and people will eat it up, just like every god damned thing else.

 

[Valandil]

i dont really care who is in office...as long as W. isnt

Well this is pretty much obvious since the Constitution does not allow a person to serve more than 2 elected terms or 10 years as President.

 

[Firestreak]

Hillary is a far better choice than Obama, even if she's not great, she at least knows what she's doing kind of on the international front. The Clintons are also fiscally responsible for Democrats.

If she has a glaring weakness, it's her support of late term abortion. I don't think a lot of people are going to be able to accept that.

 

[Tristam Green]

The fact that the police are making rounds like this to begin with is iffy, in my opinion, and arguably IS against the 4th amendment.

Arguably, yes, it is. But it's also arguably not. Either way, it'll play out in courts, like every single f'ing thing else in this country.

Yeah, you can turn the search down no matter what, but they shouldn't be there to begin with. Also the fact that they may not mention it, and some police officers react... badly when you tell them no, even if you are entirely within your rights.

We *do* seem to be full of trigger-happy asshat cops these days, don't we?

All in all, this is a horrible idea, but throw "It's for the kids!" on the end, and people will eat it up, just like every god damned thing else.

Not *everyone*, which is why I think someone's gonna end up suing over it.

 

[Elemmire]

Well this is pretty much obvious since the Constitution does not allow a person to serve more than 2 elected terms or 10 years as President.

WRONG! The constitution states nothing about how many terms a president can have. It was only made as an amendment or something (I forget which) after FDR was president for more than 2 terms. The reason so many presidents were only in office two terms or less is because General Washington was only president for two terms. We praise him in that way, same way if we create a 6 Star General, Washington gets bumped up to a 7 star. Hehe.. it's funny.

I still say McCain is better or.. er.. why can't I remember his name.. the democrat who was going against Dole back 8 years for the Democratic candidate, hehe.

Personally, I'm just waiting for the next depression to hit so a revolution can start up and oust the corrupt powers and take wealth from the upper class strangling the middle and lower class... :|