December 21, 2012 and Planet X

Once again, read the thread. Please do mention where we have been generalizing every religion.

You have been generalizing religion. The first to speculate it here actually.

Uzor said:
And we're talking to Ant. Several people are talking to Ant. We can't take it to PM's. I you don't like it, you don't have to read it. We're not holding anyone captive wit ha gun to their head forcing them to read the thread. We're having a public dialog with Anttaru.

Myrrh is missing the original topic of discussion. Can't blame him, it sure beats reading pages of people telling the believers there is no God.

Uzor said:
He's throwing out biblical things as fact. That is the very same as us throwing scientifical things as fact. If we're bashing his faith by throwing scientifical things as fact, then he do the very same thing.

This isn't science Vs. religion, shit. I am science and religion.

I used 1 example. Point in case. If we all had sex with 1 person in our lifetime, there will be no STDs. It's true but not happening. Why argue about it ? oh right, cause that would take away you're freedom. Well no one said you had to do it. We're free to choose what we do.

Uzor said:
You can't have your cake and eat it to. One part can't do one thing that the other can, just because they have a faith in something else. That's like saying only black people are allowed to insult white people, but if white people insult black people its racism. Racism works both ways. Religion do too.

You need some assistance Uzor. I roll with science and religion. Just because you don't, doesn't mean you can separate me for either.
 
If people are gullible enough to be fooled into the idea that aliens don't exist, then they are gullible enough to buy an armageddon story :biggrin:

C WUT I DID THAR?
 
The Laws in the Bible are damn wise.

Leviticus 20:13 clearly states "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

How about this one? Leviticus 19:27 "Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard."

Leviticus 21:16-21 talks about how cripples, dwarves, men with flat noses, or men with any sort of blemish can't be allowed to worship at God's altar. Leviticus also has a long-ass list of stuff that gets the death penalty, such as committing adultery, and having sex with a woman on her period :( And God says that these laws are supposed to be forever!

Deuteronomy chapter 17 says you should stone to death anyone who doesn't believe in God :( Look out Uzor, they're coming for you!

Are these laws wise, Anttaru? And don't forget, I want perfect punctuation and grammar if you reply to me, because you promised me before you'd do it just for me <3 ^^
 
You have been generalizing religion. The first to speculate it here actually.
Once again, I have not been generalizing religion. I said I've generalized every religious fanatic as morons, but that's about it.

Myrrh is missing the original topic of discussion. Can't blame him, it sure beats reading pages of people telling the believers there is no God.
See, this is where you're telling people you want your cake and eat it too. We're telling people that there is no god, just as much as you're telling people there is a god. It goes both ways.

This isn't science Vs. religion, shit. I am science and religion.
Your scientifical facts are wrong. That's why you started bringing religion in to it.

I used 1 example. Point in case. If we all had sex with 1 person in our lifetime, there will be no STDs. It's true but not happening. Why argue about it ? oh right, cause that would take away you're freedom. Well no one said you had to do it. We're free to choose what we do.
So where do STD's come from, originally? You DO know that STD's, isn't just God's wrath for people having sex with more then one? As in, just because a man decided to have sex with a second woman, he didn't suddenly get an STD because of it? While its true that STD's infect people through sex, STD's themselves would still exist if people only had sex with 1 person. They'd be less uncommon, sure, but they would still exist. Just how AIDS can still infect people without having sex. Through drugs or blood transfer.
 
Besides, if there's one thing we can take away from the Book of Job, it's that following the rules doesn't guarantee nothing bad will happen.
 
Besides, if there's one thing we can take away from the Book of Job, it's that following the rules doesn't guarantee nothing bad will happen.

Also that God will take everything you love and care about from you just to prove a point to the devil.
 
Also that God will take everything you love and care about from you just to prove a point to the devil.

Sounds like a great guy, perfectly logical..
 
Uzor said:
Once again, I have not been generalizing religion. I said I've generalized every religious fanatic as morons, but that's about it.

What about religious people ? Are they morons to ? Or just the people that enjoy Religion ?

Uzor said:
See, this is where you're telling people you want your cake and eat it too. We're telling people that there is no god, just as much as you're telling people there is a god. It goes both ways.

I mentioned i believe in the highest. Show me where i was telling people there is a God, and they should believe it. I don't believe in dragging people into my belief.


Uzor said:
Your scientifical facts are wrong. That's why you started bringing religion in to it.

First, when i posted the last scientific readout. I clearly stated, "If anyone can find a different list, or one with any changes, please let me know" All of a sudden what i posted is mine and i end up paying the price for it.

When i started talking about Religion, i was agreeing with a Christian about the morals of the Laws in the Bible. Then it turned into "Stupid people not using condoms Vs. The Laws in the Bible." In all honestly the condom argument was very poor. They fail by the millions. Not saying we shouldn't use them, but they are inferior to clean behavior. Condoms also leave more garbage for us to cope with.

Uzor said:
So where do STD's come from, originally? You DO know that STD's, isn't just God's wrath for people having sex with more then one?

STD's isn't Gods wrath. The Laws are to protect us from damage we can do to ourselves.

Uzor said:
As in, just because a man decided to have sex with a second woman, he didn't suddenly get an STD because of it?

Let's not forget about the "Stupid people" who don't use condoms. The man or woman may or may not be infected.

Uzor said:
While its true that STD's infect people through sex, STD's themselves would still exist if people only had sex with 1 person. They'd be less uncommon, sure, but they would still exist. Just how AIDS can still infect people without having sex. Through drugs or blood transfer.

The deadly STD's would parish, if we only had sex with one person. Who's to blame if one were to get infected through blood transfusion ? which is a rare case might i add, and to those who caught it by injection, same question, not as rare I imagine.

The 1 thing that keeps HIV going, is the very choices people make.
 
What about religious people ? Are they morons to ? Or just the people that enjoy Religion ?
Did you even read what you quoted?

I mentioned i believe in the highest. Show me where i was telling people there is a God, and they should believe it. I don't believe in dragging people into my belief.
Show me where I was telling people to not believe in God.

First, when i posted the last scientific readout. I clearly stated, "If anyone can find a different list, or one with any changes, please let me know" All of a sudden what i posted is mine and i end up paying the price for it.
You take the first evidence to support your case you can find, without using common sense as to whether or not the information you've found is true. That is why you end up paying the price for it.

When i started talking about Religion, i was agreeing with a Christian about the morals of the Laws in the Bible. Then it turned into "Stupid people not using condoms Vs. The Laws in the Bible." In all honestly the condom argument was very poor. They fail by the millions. Not saying we shouldn't use them, but they are inferior to clean behavior. Condoms also leave more garbage for us to cope with.
Clean behavior is unnatural. The way nature made us is to fuck as many people as possible to spread our genes onwards. Look at tigers, or any other animal for that matter. They all have sex with as many animals as possible to spread their genes. They don't have STD's. Humans as a species is actually extremely weak in more then one way. We have bad sight, bad hearing, bad smell. The only thing we are supperior to other animals is taste and intelligence. Taste because our entire society is built on cooking. Without cooking we would have died out a long ago. Intelligence because we are weak. Including our immune system. That is why Humans as a species have more diseases then pretty much any other animal on earth. We fight diseases with medicines, not immune system. One reason, is because we live in a too clean society, thus reducing the need for an immune system. Medicine further remove the need for an immune system. Thus, humans are on a downward spiral, because the people with a weak immune system don't die.

This can be further studied by watching allergies. We have more allergies then we used to, because of our unnaturally clean environment and improved intelligence reducing the need for a fully functional, good immune system. We basically break "Law of the Jungle" on a daily basis.

Sex isn't to blame for STD's. Society is. Who built society? Here you can answer one of two things. Religion, in which case you'd say Religion created Society, in which case you'd say Religion is to blame for STD's. The other option is that Humans built Society, in which case you'd agree that Religion didn't create Society.

STD's isn't Gods wrath. The Laws are to protect us from damage we can do to ourselves.
Yes. I didn't say it was God's wrath. I said it wasn't. And yes, I'm well-aware what the biblical laws are there for. However, those laws existed before Christianity existed. They just wrote them in to the religion afterwards. As I've mentioned before, by controlling people's fears, and by controlling people's beliefs, you control the people.

Let's not forget about the "Stupid people" who don't use condoms. The man or woman may or may not be infected.
I don't think its possible to take a quote more out of context then you just did. you basically took a phrase and split it in two. Next time, just quote the whole phrase instead of splitting it in two.

The deadly STD's would parish, if we only had sex with one person. Who's to blame if one were to get infected through blood transfusion ? which is a rare case might i add, and to those who caught it by injection, same question, not as rare I imagine.

The 1 thing that keeps HIV going, is the very choices people make.
Yes, of course its the choices people make that keeps STD's going. I haven't argued otherwise. Not using a condom is a choice, last I checked. A stupid one at that.
 
Leviticus 20:13 clearly states "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Death as in no reproduction, and end of the branch for the two of them.

Abomination = Vile act. On a personal note, there is nothing wrong with 2 men in love with one another. However anal sex does lead to anal damage. The outcome is not good.

Solitia said:
How about this one? Leviticus 19:27 "Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard."

First commandment states we should have no other Gods. Some Egyptian cultures worshiped other Gods. Styling their hair and trimming it a certain way was a form of worship for these other Gods.

Solitia said:
Leviticus 21:16-21 talks about how cripples, dwarves, men with flat noses, or men with any sort of blemish can't be allowed to worship at God's altar.

On the altar which is the place of service, not the place of worship. They are not to bare God's Bread to others. This also goes for the blind and deaf. When serving to the masses, one with a rash (blemish) isn't exactly the one for the Job. Midgets would mean the entire line would have to crouch. It's better to serve the little ones than having them serve. Men with flat noses i don't understand, could be referring to someone with leprosy, God says he created all men equal. I can't look to you for any reason Solitia.

Solitia said:
Leviticus also has a long-ass list of stuff that gets the death penalty, such as committing adultery, and having sex with a woman on her period :( And God says that these laws are supposed to be forever!

Do you have sex during a period ? And do you cheat on you're lover ? Nothing good ever comes out of either act.

Committing adultery, as we mentioned creates a pipeline for disease to flourish. It's also destructive emotionally. On the up side, it's enjoyable to fool around. That doesn't make it positive, even with a condom.

Having sex with a woman on her period is dirty. That is a time when a woman is undergoing a cleansing.


Solitia said:
Deuteronomy chapter 17 says you should stone to death anyone who doesn't believe in God :( Look out Uzor, they're coming for you!

It says the wicked should be put to death when there are at least 3 witnesses. There is no mention of stoning anyone who doesn't believe in God.

When they use the word wicked in the Old Testament, they refer to extremists. Like an Axe murderer is to us. Nothing to do with disbelievers.

Solitia said:
Are these laws wise, Anttaru? And don't forget, I want perfect punctuation and grammar if you reply to me, because you promised me before you'd do it just for me <3 ^^

Excuse the imperfect grammar. My word software is not installed. And i don't make promises, so i wrote you back anyway.

Yes these laws are wise. Let me know why you think they are not.
 
Uzor said:
Once again, I have not been generalizing religion. I said I've generalized every religious fanatic as morons, but that's about it.
Anttaru said:
What about religious people ? Are they morons to ? Or just the people that enjoy Religion ?
Uzor said:
Did you even read what you quoted?

I wrote what i quoted, asking me if i read it is silly. I'm asking you a question. Will you answer it ? Or are all believers fanatics which also makes us morons ?

Uzor said:
We're telling people that there is no god, just as much as you're telling people there is a god. It goes both ways.
Anttaru said:
I mentioned i believe in the highest. Show me where i was telling people there is a God, and they should believe it. I don't believe in dragging people into my belief.
Uzor said:
Show me where I was telling people to not believe in God.

No one is forcing you to believe in the highest. And i'm not into question on question. What is you're purpose.

Uzor said:
You take the first evidence to support your case you can find, without using common sense as to whether or not the information you've found is true. That is why you end up paying the price for it.

I said if there are changes or if anything is different, let me know. Which is very different than saying this is correct. By saying so i invite others look it up and correct it if it's wrong. Which it was. And i have nothing against it. To the ignorant it's a weapon against me.

Uzor said:
Clean behavior is unnatural. The way nature made us is to fuck as many people as possible to spread our genes onwards.

Did we not just cover hazards of screwing around ? Did you not just say that having sex without a condom is what "stupid people" do ? You think condoms are natural ?

Uzor said:
Look at tigers, or any other animal for that matter. They all have sex with as many animals as possible to spread their genes. They don't have STD's. Humans as a species is actually extremely weak in more then one way. We have bad sight, bad hearing, bad smell.

We'll i wouldn't like to be like the Tiger and have sex with other animals. That can make us sick.

Uzor said:
The only thing we are supperior to other animals is taste and intelligence. Taste because our entire society is built on cooking. Without cooking we would have died out a long ago.

It's possible to survive without cooking. And in terms of taste, I've seen animals that would drop anything for a piece of what we eat.

Uzor said:
Intelligence because we are weak. Including our immune system. That is why Humans as a species have more diseases then pretty much any other animal on earth. We fight diseases with medicines, not immune system. One reason, is because we live in a too clean society, thus reducing the need for an immune system. Medicine further remove the need for an immune system. Thus, humans are on a downward spiral, because the people with a weak immune system don't die.

Even you can agree on the most part we obtain a killer virus through poor choice.


Uzor said:
Sex isn't to blame for STD's. Society is. Who built society? Here you can answer one of two things. Religion, in which case you'd say Religion created Society, in which case you'd say Religion is to blame for STD's. The other option is that Humans built Society, in which case you'd agree that Religion didn't create Society.

In my part of the planet. Public Society is comprised of people who have religion, and people who do not. We have several types of Churches that range from Pentecostal, to Catholic to Christian, Baptist etc ... Then we have Muslim Temples and the whole lot.

These same people use computers and drive cars. It's so multi culturally diverse here, going to see residents door to door, each will be of a different race. Black, white, Asian Indian, from around the world. All with different beliefs. All work together and share public areas.

Sweden is not the same as Canada. As you say, no one in Sweden is really into a religion.

Religion has it's impact but it's defiantly not the driving force in Society.

Uzor said:
So where do STD's come from, originally? You DO know that STD's, isn't just God's wrath for people having sex with more then one?
Anttaru said:
STD's isn't Gods wrath. The Laws are to protect us from damage we can do to ourselves.
Uzor said:
Yes. I didn't say it was God's wrath. I said it wasn't. And yes, I'm well-aware what the biblical laws are there for.

Thought you meant it wasn't just God wrath. Some will say it is, God wrath but it's not.

Uzor said:
However, those laws existed before Christianity existed. They just wrote them in to the religion afterwards. As I've mentioned before, by controlling people's fears, and by controlling people's beliefs, you control the people.

Those laws also existed before we knew what a virus was.

Religion does not make people afraid. Those who believe in life after death, really do have less reason to fear death than those who do not believe in it. All religion asks is that we are good to one another. Not to steal or cheat. Still there are criminals who attend church regularly. What we learn is not always what we follow.

Anttaru said:
Let's not forget about the "Stupid people" who don't use condoms. The man or woman may or may not be infected.
Uzor said:
I don't think its possible to take a quote more out of context then you just did. you basically took a phrase and split it in two. Next time, just quote the whole phrase instead of splitting it in two.

-Lets not forget about the people who don't use condoms = People who make such gambles

-The Man or woman may or may not be infected = The person one would be taking that risk with.

Anttaru said:
The deadly STD's would parish, if we only had sex with one person. Who's to blame if one were to get infected through blood transfusion ? which is a rare case might i add, and to those who caught it by injection, same question, not as rare I imagine.

The 1 thing that keeps HIV going, is the very choices people make.
Uzor said:
Yes, of course its the choices people make that keeps STD's going. I haven't argued otherwise. Not using a condom is a choice, last I checked. A stupid one at that.

Not arguing people shouldn't use condoms. But condoms do break.

Similar to what i asked before without getting an answer.

Is it safe to have sex with someone who is HIV positive with a condom. Answer please.
 
Abomination = Vile act. On a personal note, there is nothing wrong with 2 men in love with one another. However anal sex does lead to anal damage. The outcome is not good.

Too bad it feels good and leads to unregulated orgasms.

Oral is great, too.
 
Last edited:
Too bad it feels good and leads to unregulated orgasms.

Oral is great, too.

I wouldn't doubt it. And I'm sure you deliver a mean blow job.

The point is. The damage to anal sex can cause one to end up having to wear a diaper cause they are shitting themselves.
 
I wonder if having Anal sex would make it easier to have a massive poop. I had a poop this morning that was so massive I almost cried.
 
I wrote what i quoted, asking me if i read it is silly. I'm asking you a question. Will you answer it ? Or are all believers fanatics which also makes us morons ?
No. I said religious fanatics are morons. How you get that to all religious people being morons is beyond me. Do you know what a religious fanatic is? Since you've several times mistaken religious fanatic as "all religious people", I assume the answer is "No."

No one is forcing you to believe in the highest. And i'm not into question on question. What is you're purpose.
The above quote was in response to Myrrh. Sometimes I get the feeling you're not even following the discussion, just take some random lines and respond to them, without consideration of any post before.

I said if there are changes or if anything is different, let me know. Which is very different than saying this is correct. By saying so i invite others look it up and correct it if it's wrong. Which it was. And i have nothing against it. To the ignorant it's a weapon against me.
We did let you know. Which caused Myrrh to throw get upset and tell us to stop insulting religions.

Did we not just cover hazards of screwing around ? Did you not just say that having sex without a condom is what "stupid people" do ? You think condoms are natural ?
Yes. If you'd actually have read what I said you'd have understood it perfectly. I did not contradict myself had you actually bothered reading what I said and not just quote and respond to the word "natural".

We'll i wouldn't like to be like the Tiger and have sex with other animals. That can make us sick.
Naturally I meant other tigers when I said "other animals". I assumed you'd know that. Obviously I were wrong.

It's possible to survive without cooking. And in terms of taste, I've seen animals that would drop anything for a piece of what we eat.
Actually, if mankind didn't have cooking, we'd have died out a long time ago. Our teeth are the worst in the entire animal kingdom, and our mouth is extremely weak. Had we not had cooking, it would be almost impossible for us to get the nutrients we need. I'm sure you're well-aware that you should thoroughly chew your food before you swallow, as digestion starts in the mouth. Both due to the teeth grinding it down, and due to the saliva working on it. However, due to our bad teeth and saliva, we need to chew it more then other animals for the stomach to be able to absorb all of the nutritients in it. Cooking makes it easier to chew, and also easier for the stomach to digest it.

However, one could argue that cooking made our teeth in to the state they are today, as cooking no longer required good teeth. Thus, people with bad teeth survived much better. However, if we did not have cooking nowadays, we would die out. For more then just the digestion.

Taste, on the other hand, is something that's very important for us. It allows us to weed out things that are not good for us, such as rotten meat. This is something that can poison us, and lead to our death. A lot of other animals can survive this due to better digestion, immune system etc. We, however, can not. Those animals don't need an equally advanced sense of taste that we do. They do, however, still need taste. Such as bears avoiding poisonous shrooms etc.

Taste in itself is a rather peculiar sense. Each of the "tastes" are activated based on different things. They were originally ment to detect different things, such as things that are poisonous for us, thus preventing us from eating them, thus preventing potential death. They activate on Ions, which mainly exists in water. That's why you won't taste anything unless your tongue is dry, which is another reason saliva exists. Saltiness detects, for example, Calcium. Sour detects acids. As I'm sure you're well-aware, acids are usually said to be sour. The sourer, the lower the pH value is. The more basic, the higher. Natural is 7. Sweetness is detected by sugar. Bitterness I actually have no idea what it really does, but I would assume its there to detect more of the basic tastes, which can also be toxic. Umami is the last one and detects various salts, and also meat.

Even you can agree on the most part we obtain a killer virus through poor choice.
No. The plague we did not get through poor choice. There's a lot of killer diseases that we do not get through poor choice. All diseases start somewhere. As I said earlier, they are not God's wrath upon us for making a bad decision. They come from somewhere, which is not bad decision necessarily. I meant exactly what I said. Humans are pretty much the weakest animal in the world. Even ants are stronger then us. That is, for their size. If a human were an Ant's size, the ant would kill us. Hell, if a human were the size of ANY insect, the other insect would kill us. The only thing we are really superior with, and the only reason we're still alive, is due to our brain. If we did not have our brain, diseases etc. would have killed us off already.

I'll say it again. So many diseases for humans exist due to our bad immune system. This cause any virus that mutates to go from another animal in to a human to be successful. It causes any virus that mutates, to be successful in effecting humans. We need our medicine to fight them, or else we would all die off. Which is not the case with other animals, and one of the reasons they have survived longer then us. All without their brain.

In my part of the planet. Public Society is comprised of people who have religion, and people who do not. We have several types of Churches that range from Pentecostal, to Catholic to Christian, Baptist etc ... Then we have Muslim Temples and the whole lot.

These same people use computers and drive cars. It's so multi culturally diverse here, going to see residents door to door, each will be of a different race. Black, white, Asian Indian, from around the world. All with different beliefs. All work together and share public areas.

Sweden is not the same as Canada. As you say, no one in Sweden is really into a religion.

Religion has it's impact but it's defiantly not the driving force in Society.
Ofcourse public society is compromised of people that have religion and those that do not. That's not what I'm saying. However, I am going to assume, based on your answer, that you agree religion did not build society, humans did. And who made the laws? Society did. Not religion. Religion copied them.

The only part in it Religion has, was to make homosexuals the outcasts. Which, mind you, I don't consider to be something very good. As I'm sure you're well-aware of, homosexuality is natural. It exists in every mammal. Homosexuality were something fully-acceptable in, for example, ancient Rome, where it were common for young males to have sex with each other.

Those laws also existed before we knew what a virus was.

Religion does not make people afraid. Those who believe in life after death, really do have less reason to fear death than those who do not believe in it. All religion asks is that we are good to one another. Not to steal or cheat. Still there are criminals who attend church regularly. What we learn is not always what we follow.
I never said religion made people afraid and paranoid.I said by controlling people's fears, you can control their actions. That is not the same as saying people walk around being afraid. For example, by telling a child that if he goes down to the river to play, a naked man playing a harp will kidnap him and kill him. This will make him avoid the river. There are a lot of child stories told by mothers in order to scare their children in to not doing something.

Religion does the very same thing. By saying you will go to hell where you will burn for an eternity if you don't follow God's words, it causes people to avoid doing it. Thus, whoever controls the religion, controls the people. Which is why, until lately, the church have had a large amount of power over the people and the king, throughout all ages. If they did not control people's fears and beliefs, they would not have had the power they had.

-Lets not forget about the people who don't use condoms = People who make such gambles

-The Man or woman may or may not be infected = The person one would be taking that risk with.
This makes no sense. I said you couldn't take it more out of context then you did. I did not ask for an explanation of what you said. Your answer still means nothing, as it has nothing do do with what you quoted (read: the original context, not the taken-out context).

Not arguing people shouldn't use condoms. But condoms do break.

Similar to what i asked before without getting an answer.
Is it safe to have sex with someone who is HIV positive with a condom. Answer please.[/quote]There is a 90% probability that the condom won't break, assuming you don't scratch it and use an oil-based lube. Additionally, there's only roughly 10% chance to actually get HIV when you have sex with an HIV positive person. If you fuck said person 1000 times, the condom will break 100 times. Our of those 100 times, 10 times can infect you. This means you have roughly a 1% chance to get infected by HIV, if you fuck a HIV positive person with a condom on.So no, you're not entirely safe. Granted, I'm not entirely sure the chance to get HIV is 10%. It can be both lower or higher. However, I do know that the "HIV men" in Sweden, that are upset over having HIV and is on a mission to infect as many people as possible, have had sex with sometimes upwards of 100 people, and only 1-2 of those were found to have HIV. And they didn't use a condom. However, 1-2% sounds like a bit too small of a chance.

Mind you, I never did state you were 100% protected by using a condom. I simply stated that STD's won't spread at the rate it do if people use a condom. So if everyone used a condom, the STD spread would decrease. Which means the amount of STD-infected people will decrease. Which will further lower the chance to be infected by STD.
 
Last edited:
No. I said religious fanatics are morons. How you get that to all religious people being morons is beyond me. Do you know what a religious fanatic is? Since you've several times mistaken religious fanatic as "all religious people", I assume the answer is "No."

Not familiar the term, religious fanatic, but i can imagine. Okay. So why do you think religious fanatics are morons ? Must be something other than their their beliefs ?


Anttaru said:
No one is forcing you to believe in the highest. And i'm not into question on question. What is you're purpose.
Uzor said:
The above quote was in response to Myrrh. Sometimes I get the feeling you're not even following the discussion, just take some random lines and respond to them, without consideration of any post before.

You're wrong. I even quoted myself it in my last message to you Uzor, I'll do it again to this point showing that you're response was to me.

Quotes went like this.
Uzor said:
We're telling people that there is no god, just as much as you're telling people there is a god. It goes both ways.
(Mind you Myrrh is Atheist. Then i said.)
Anttaru said:
I mentioned i believe in the highest. Show me where i was telling people there is a God, and they should believe it. I don't believe in dragging people into my belief.
(Then you said)
Uzor said:
Show me where I was telling people to not believe in God.
(Then i said)
Anttaru said:
No one is forcing you to believe in the highest. And i'm not into question on question. What is you're purpose.
(and now)
Uzor said:
The above quote was in response to Myrrh. Sometimes I get the feeling you're not even following the discussion, just take some random lines and respond to them, without consideration of any post before.

It's on the board. Check it out. If needed i can add the page links so it can go direct to each post, must i do that ?


Anttaru said:
I wrote what i quoted, asking me if i read it is silly. I'm asking you a question. Will you answer it ? Or are all believers fanatics which also makes us morons ?
Uzor said:
No. I said religious fanatics are morons. How you get that to all religious people being morons is beyond me. Do you know what a religious fanatic is? Since you've several times mistaken religious fanatic as "all religious people", I assume the answer is "No."

Which is why i asked why you think religious fanatics are morons. They are more educated in various religions than the average religious person.

Uzor said:
We did let you know. Which caused Myrrh to throw get upset and tell us to stop insulting religions.

Yes and when i was corrected i just accepted it and moved on. Even under fire i have the courage to accept knowledge from my competitors. You and a few others continue to throw what i disowned in my face, saying that i posted it as an argument. For the 4th or 5th time, I said "if the information changed or if it's incorrect, let me know."

I don't believe Myrrh is upset. He just see's that you are in fact insulting people's religion. Namely the Christians, and ironically, the only one sticking up for them is me.

Uzor said:
Yes. If you'd actually have read what I said you'd have understood it perfectly. I did not contradict myself had you actually bothered reading what I said and not just quote and respond to the word "natural".

Don't be fooled. there are reasons why i quote myself. Still you have this to say to me ?

It went like this...
Uzor said:
Clean behavior is unnatural. The way nature made us is to fuck as many people as possible to spread our genes onwards.
(then i said)
Anttaru said:
Did we not just cover hazards of screwing around ? Did you not just say that having sex without a condom is what "stupid people" do ? You think condoms are natural ?
(which brings us back to)
Uzor said:
Yes. If you'd actually have read what I said you'd have understood it perfectly. I did not contradict myself had you actually bothered reading what I said and not just quote and respond to the word "natural".

I'll be more blunt from now on. Starting now.

You yourself said something along the lines of "AIDS is for the extinction of stupid people, it's natures way of evolution". Now you're telling me. "The way nature made us is to fuck as many people as possible to spread our genes onward."

Anttaru said:
Naturally I meant other tigers when I said "other animals". I assumed you'd know that. Obviously I were wrong.

Yes you were wrong. You can't assume I would have thought you were talking about other tigers, when you distinctly say "Other animals".

Uzor said:
No. The plague we did not get through poor choice. There's a lot of killer diseases that we do not get through poor choice. All diseases start somewhere. As I said earlier, they are not God's wrath upon us for making a bad decision. They come from somewhere, which is not bad decision necessarily. I meant exactly what I said. Humans are pretty much the weakest animal in the world. Even ants are stronger then us. That is, for their size. If a human were an Ant's size, the ant would kill us. Hell, if a human were the size of ANY insect, the other insect would kill us. The only thing we are really superior with, and the only reason we're still alive, is due to our brain. If we did not have our brain, diseases etc. would have killed us off already.

Wherever it came from. Man made, or from some dude screwing a monkey. It goes down with the person it takes. It's something that is passed around. The Majority isn't strong enough mentally to resist the urge of taking the chance. This is the main pipeline for HIV. If there was a simulator with billions of people at you're command, you'd be able to solve HIV simply by having them have sex with one person only. The STD will dither away. In the real world it's not like that. That was just an example.

I already know if we were as strong as Ants we'd be able to bench press a small car, and i know how soft we are compared to animals.

Uzor said:
I'll say it again. So many diseases for humans exist due to our bad immune system. This cause any virus that mutates to go from another animal in to a human to be successful. It causes any virus that mutates, to be successful in effecting humans. We need our medicine to fight them, or else we would all die off. Which is not the case with other animals, and one of the reasons they have survived longer then us. All without their brain.

We're talking about STD's. But yeah. Our Immune system is weak in comparison.

Uzor said:
Ofcourse public society is compromised of people that have religion and those that do not. That's not what I'm saying. However, I am going to assume, based on your answer, that you agree religion did not build society, humans did. And who made the laws? Society did. Not religion. Religion copied them.

The Bible is older than the modern world. It had laws written in it before this modern world was established. The Bible suggests adultery is against God's Laws. In todays society, the Law doesn't give a damn if a couple cheats on one another. Public society also doesn't care what religion you're in. I don't believe the Bible emulates todays Laws at all. Thou shalt not kill. Yet we see Governments that are supposedly Christians, fighting against Muslim extremists.

Uzor said:
The only part in it Religion has, was to make homosexuals the outcasts. Which, mind you, I don't consider to be something very good. As I'm sure you're well-aware of, homosexuality is natural. It exists in every mammal. Homosexuality were something fully-acceptable in, for example, ancient Rome, where it were common for young males to have sex with each other.

The Bible don't outcast Gay in general, They outcast males having sex with males. It's all fun and games until the colon is permanently damaged. The Bible suggests we do not mutilate ourselves. Still we're all here to do as we please.

Uzor said:
I never said religion made people afraid and paranoid.I said by controlling people's fears, you can control their actions. That is not the same as saying people walk around being afraid. For example, by telling a child that if he goes down to the river to play, a naked man playing a harp will kidnap him and kill him. This will make him avoid the river. There are a lot of child stories told by mothers in order to scare their children in to not doing something.

Okay so fear is control. Which has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

Uzor said:
Religion does the very same thing. By saying you will go to hell where you will burn for an eternity if you don't follow God's words, it causes people to avoid doing it. Thus, whoever controls the religion, controls the people. Which is why, until lately, the church have had a large amount of power over the people and the king, throughout all ages. If they did not control people's fears and beliefs, they would not have had the power they had.

I concur. Book of revelation is twisted. There are things we are not meant to know in order to raise our consciousness. None of our souls will burn for an eternity. All will be forgiven and things will start over. Perhaps things will keep starting over until the individual gets it right. That is my belief, which is borrowed from various spiritual books, exercises and religions.

Anttaru said:
-Lets not forget about the people who don't use condoms = People who make such gambles

-The Man or woman may or may not be infected = The person one would be taking that risk with.
Uzor said:
This makes no sense. I said you couldn't take it more out of context then you did. I did not ask for an explanation of what you said. Your answer still means nothing, as it has nothing do do with what you quoted (read: the original context, not the taken-out context).

It makes perfect sense. I don't see how you don't understand it. Show me why.

Anttaru said:
Is it safe to have sex with someone who is HIV positive with a condom. Answer please.
Uzor said:
There is a 90% probability that the condom won't break, assuming you don't scratch it and use an oil-based lube. Additionally, there's only roughly 10% chance to actually get HIV when you have sex with an HIV positive person. If you fuck said person 1000 times, the condom will break 100 times. Our of those 100 times, 10 times can infect you. This means you have roughly a 1% chance to get infected by HIV, if you fuck a HIV positive person with a condom on.So no, you're not entirely safe. Granted, I'm not entirely sure the chance to get HIV is 10%. It can be both lower or higher. However, I do know that the "HIV men" in Sweden, that are upset over having HIV and is on a mission to infect as many people as possible, have had sex with sometimes upwards of 100 people, and only 1-2 of those were found to have HIV. And they didn't use a condom. However, 1-2% sounds like a bit too small of a chance.

From what I've read having vaginal intercourse with someone who is HIV positive, has a very high risk of infecting the other person. 85-90% durability on the Condom is not good enough.

Uzor said:
Mind you, I never did state you were 100% protected by using a condom.

Best to use if you're going to fool around with several others.

Uzor said:
I simply stated that STD's won't spread at the rate it do if people use a condom. So if everyone used a condom, the STD spread would decrease. Which means the amount of STD-infected people will decrease. Which will further lower the chance to be infected by STD.

What I'm saying, if people never fooled around with several people, STDs will not only decrease, they will cease to exist. If everyone stuck with one person, the already infected will eventually die, like they were going to. The disease will have no chance to pass onto someone else, because no one is allowing the shift from one person to another occur.
This is not the way of the world. And might not ever be.

Again. A world that can work together like that for the sake of well being, is more impressive than the way we're handling it now.
 
Uzor, I'll say this. Telling Christians there is no god is like telling a 5 year old there is no Santa. While him saying there is a Santa does no real harm to smart people. Saying there isn't one does harm to the 5 year old.

Everyone needs something to believe in. Whether it be the universe or god. You're flat out saying there is no god, where Anttaru is saying theres a Highest(wth does that mean? <_< ). He isn't trying to convert you or anything and him believing in a "highest" does no harm. Flat out saying "There is no god" does plenty of harm. Wars get started over that shit(No one throw the "This isn't the real world. this is a forum on the internet" shit at me.) Hell, the same defense can be used against this whole N word debate we got going.

Saying it on the internet does no harm to people yet they still get offended. It's the exact same for saying there is no god.
 
Uzor, I'll say this. Telling Christians there is no god is like telling a 5 year old there is no Santa. While him saying there is a Santa does no real harm to smart people. Saying there isn't one does harm to the 5 year old.

I'm not sure comparing Christians to gullible 5-year-olds is much better than Uzor saying there's no god. :crazy:

We live in a multicultural society, and I don't think it's an atheist's duty to shut up and play nice every time a religious person starts sharing their beliefs. I'm respectful of the importance they place in it, but that doesn't mean they automatically get a free pass on being challenged during a discussion.

I'm in the Bible Belt, and most of the churches here would've quietly asked Anttaru to leave for his rich mix of Christianity and "paganism" (i.e., placing any stock on Mayan predictions).
 
Uzor, I'll say this. Telling Christians there is no god is like telling a 5 year old there is no Santa. While him saying there is a Santa does no real harm to smart people. Saying there isn't one does harm to the 5 year old.

Everyone needs something to believe in. Whether it be the universe or god. You're flat out saying there is no god, where Anttaru is saying theres a Highest(wth does that mean? <_< ). He isn't trying to convert you or anything and him believing in a "highest" does no harm. Flat out saying "There is no god" does plenty of harm. Wars get started over that shit(No one throw the "This isn't the real world. this is a forum on the internet" shit at me.) Hell, the same defense can be used against this whole N word debate we got going.

Saying it on the internet does no harm to people yet they still get offended. It's the exact same for saying there is no god.

You still don't get it, do you.

Also, you have still not showed me, despite me asking over three times, where I insult religion.
I'm not sure comparing Christians to gullible 5-year-olds is much better than Uzor saying there's no god. :crazy:

We live in a multicultural society, and I don't think it's an atheist's duty to shut up and play nice every time a religious person starts sharing their beliefs. I'm respectful of the importance they place in it, but that doesn't mean they automatically get a free pass on being challenged during a discussion.

I'm in the Bible Belt, and most of the churches here would've quietly asked Anttaru to leave for his rich mix of Christianity and "paganism" (i.e., placing any stock on Mayan predictions).
Exactly. As I said before, just because someone is religions doesn't mean they get a free pass when they talk about religion. Them saying "The Highest did it." is the very same thing as saying "No, it was evolution". That doesn't suddenly mean "zOMG! HE'S TELLING ME THERE IS NO GOD! YOU UPSET ALL CHRISTIANS IN THE ENTIRE WORLD NOW! YOU BASTARD!".

I'll respond to your message on my lunchbreak Anttaru. I have to take a shower now and then go to work.
 
Back
Top