December 21, 2012 and Planet X

[Lanien]

Do we all get to wear track suits and drink Kool-aid again?

 

[duncanrun]

I'm not that good with physics, so I personally can't. But I'd think it doesn't travel at the same speed constantly. The orbit of the planet is elliptical because it isn't traveling at a constant speed. As it gets pulled towards the star it orbits, it speeds up, once it passes a certain plain though, its force forward is more than the force the star is exerting so it continues out on its path. Once it slows down however, the force of the star pulls it back. Spinning makes it a circle, like english on a pool ball. That isn't a proven fact though, that is just me thinking out loud.


I agree with Celvantes points against this theory though. A planet the size of Jupiter cannot just walk in and walk out. Our sun > something of that caliber.

Also the problem with the theory compared to:

Look at the amount of time spent in our solar system. Mainly at the portion where it is supposed to do damage. You're looking at 3-500years~ that it will be within hurting distance. And if Planet X is getting that close, it isn't going to leave.

Posted because maybe he will respond to the actual arguments in post and not attack the people making them personally.

For how childish Anttaru claims insults are he sure attacked Celvantes allot and didn't defend his argument much.

 

[alanon]

Posted because maybe he will respond to the actual arguments in post and not attack the people making them personally.

For how childish Anttaru claims insults are he sure attacked Celvantes allot and didn't defend his argument much.

QFT

Sorry Ant, but you are sorely losing this debate. Cel comes at you with scientific reasoning and your extire response basically amounts to "your mean!"?

 

[Xalioniaf]

We seemed to have gotten by just fine 3,600 ago.
All I'm gonna say on this.

 

[Rayn]

I was hoping this thread can stay civil and all sides could be discussed with an open mind. Oh well lol.

 

[Uzor]

It goes like this ....

- Mayan calendar is accurate and even blew away sciences astronomers of this day with how correct it is.

- Ancient Mayans claim to have had contact with the Annunaki. Without advanced technology the Mayans were able to track the activity in the heavens ?

- Annunaki is believed to be Giant E.T.s. Which have been known to Mayans to reside on Nibiru at times.

- Mayan calendar ends 12 21 2012.

- Mayans say it's when the earth will be under go a cleansing. They do not suggest it's the end of the world.

- Other people claim it to be doomsday (Not me other people still i bring it up that they said so)

- A lot of resources suggest that Nibiru is planet X (so kill me for speculating it's ware abouts and existence )

- IRAS detected something in the direction of the Orion galaxy that made headlines back in 83, which is now being passed off as a cold object. Inferred detecting cold object in space ?

- Population control. Because things tend to get too stuffy around here. Government can't take everyone with them, just the selected. The rest will have to fend for themselves in a world filled with carbon emissions, tampered food (seriously most of the shit we eat is very unhealthy) Smoke (Personally i love smoking, and i know it's bad for me, but why is it necessary to put so many chemicals in it ?

- Concealed Truth. Like the shit you see on Zeitgeist. And why ? to keep us blinded from it. We are easy to manipulate when we believe. Money is power, so is oil, The electric car was a flaw by GM in the eyes of Big Oil, which is why GM recalled all leased models, which is all of them. They are not looking out for us.

And so on. So Alyada, here i'm talking about 2012 and all the things that show up on it's side.

Science and religion do clash in this topic. Even though the highest of the science community does not exploit/support the Nibiru belief, they DO think the earth is just about due for a pole shift, and the results are as catastrophic as written in the Bible's book of revelations. Mayan calendar is just about due as well. It's science that says it's expected that 2/3 of us will die.

In regards to question, and speculation i made this thread. Don't make false accusation about me wanting everyone to believe things. Which is funny cause the single thing i was attacked for was something i clearly stated did not make sense to me, and in that, never did i promote it.

Do you know why the Mayan Calendar ends 2012? I've talked about it a lot before, so let's see if you remember. Do you know what they believe about the "end" of it? Also, do you know why their calendar is more accurate than our calendars?

And oh; btw. the Mayans don't claim to have had contact with the Annukki, or w/e. You're getting it mixed up. Aliens have nothing to do with the Mayan Religon at all. There is nothing extreme or extra terrestrial or magical about the Mayan religion. The Mayan religion, like almost every single religion on earth, is based around astronomy. Mainly astronomical signs, and the stars and planet's movement on the sky. Yes, that includes Christianity.

The exception to this is Budhism, ans some other religions such as the Japanese one.

Christianity, Judism and Islam are all rip-offs of earlier religions, modified to fit better in to modern society. These earlier religions are based on astronomy, such as the sun's movement over the sky. An example to this is the Egyptian religion. What's unique about the Mayans, was that they were extremely accurate with the star's movements, and understanding about the sky. Mainly because they understood a simple concept: Every thing's going in circles. If the sun rises today, it will likely also rise tomorrow. If Mars have that position in the sky now, it will likely have the same position in the sky again at a later date. That is the foundation of their society, and the reason to their accurate calendar, as they planned everything around the planet's movements, and believed they had a great impact on the life of people, hence the need to study it closely. If they were to crown a new king, they could not do it when the planets were in a bad position, and absolutely not at the end of their 260-day calendar, which was their event calendar, as that ment bad luck, and would result in an early death of their king.

Crowning a king when the planets were in line with each other would mean good luck for their king, thus resulting in the king leading them good through his luck. That is the reason to their accurate calendar, not the Annukki.

Although it is true the Mayans were very smart. They are among the first civilizations to realize the importance of the number 0.

Also, you seem to not be very read up on Mayan religion, even though you talk about it. The Mayans do state that the world will be cleansed. We're currently in the age of earth, if I remember right. Last aeon were the age of water. Last Aeon (Water), it was believed that a great majority of the human population would drown. This time around, in the Aeon of earth, it is believed by the Mayans the human population will die from huge earthquakes etc. Which actually, when you think about it, makes sense, as a polar shift (which is way overdue. As I mentioned before, should happen every 100k years, but hasn't happened for I believe 150k years), would lead to small disaster, such as earthquakes. It's already started, by the way. It can be seen on, for example whales, that navigate by the magnetic field. They sometimes lose their way and end up at places they normally don't go.

Speaking of which, as I seemed to have been ignored last time. They are constantly moving, and switching sides can be almost instantaneous (that is, in comparison to the huge time frame of the universe). However, it has nothing to do with the Planet X, as its a natural event, and can be explained by physics. Now to the 10 gil question, do you know why it happens, and how?

 

[Zaltana]

do people want the world to end this badly that we keep coming up with 1 global destruction theory after another?

 

[Grandphoenix]

do people want the world to end this badly that we keep coming up with 1 global destruction theory after another?

"Yes, Please" :\ lol

 

[Anttaru]

For how childish Anttaru claims insults are he sure attacked Celvantes allot and didn't defend his argument much.

That's cause i had no argument to defend in the first place. I was the one under attack, and for what reason ? I posted a chart, i myself said it doesn't make any sense, then Celvantes goes on like i said that chart is correct. Show me where attacked Celventes without the need to.

Sorry Ant, but you are sorely losing this debate. Cel comes at you with scientific reasoning and your extire response basically amounts to "your mean!"?

Aside from Cel editing out a very insulting youtube clip for me, he's still taken this way out of line.

Let me show you what happened.

One thing i don't understand is which orbit chart is true or false. Or maybe i'm missing something.

Other charts I've looked at show Nibiru's path in an oval shape, that goes really close to our Sun.

Here it shows Nibiru will pretty much stay outside the asteroid belt.

The Image shows a 2nd solar system with 6 planets. I said maybe I'm missing something, cause this chart in particular is different than what i seen before. Where is the argument here ? And no i do not promote what the chart is showing us, i posted it so maybe we can shed some light on it.

Wow...

I have not seen stupidity on this level in a long time.

*deep breath*

First off, Anttaru, if this were accurate:

Reminder: I said i never understood that chart. I posted in the hope we can shed some light on it. Was i arguing the chart was correct ? The answer is no.

Then Cel's entire argument that he created was based off this chart. It's no secret that an object the size of Jupiter will not show up the size of our moon at the distance of Saturns space. Only Cel implied that is what I'm saying. Through out the entire attack, i kept telling him there is nothing to argue about cause i'm not saying this planet will show up so large at that distance. He's saying i am. The miss understanding is on him, the argument is on him, and the immaturity is on him, cause either you agree with me or not, Name calling is childish.

What many of you fail to see is Neche has an open mind. What he contributes to this is knowledge and not argument. Uzor also has an open mind to it. Yes Duncanrun i'd much rather focus on what Uzor and Neche has to say, and i will. But it's difficult to do so while under false accusations.

I do want to calculate how fast this Nibiru would be traveling.

 

[Callum]

I hear Annunaki's were on the grassy knoll, true story.

 

[KyRen]

I just got a quick question ... It takes 3600yrs for its orbit and 2012 is only 4yrs away, wouldn't we be able to see it in the night time sky?

 

[Anttaru]

Do you know why the Mayan Calendar ends 2012? I've talked about it a lot before, so let's see if you remember. Do you know what they believe about the "end" of it? Also, do you know why their calendar is more accurate than our calendars?

I said it before. They believe it's the end of the age, and that the world will cleanse itself. They don't suggest it's the end of the world. Why ask me when you yourself mention it ? The Calendar is something that wrote itself as they recorded the heavens movements, not something they made up.

And oh; btw. the Mayans don't claim to have had contact with the Annukki, or w/e. You're getting it mixed up. Aliens have nothing to do with the Mayan Religon at all. There is nothing extreme or extra terrestrial or magical about the Mayan religion. The Mayan religion, like almost every single religion on earth, is based around astronomy. Mainly astronomical signs, and the stars and planet's movement on the sky. Yes, that includes Christianity.

Sumerian and Mayan along with a list of other cultures all illustrate in stone idols that depict their Gods.

The one to the Left is a depiction of an Annunaki warrior.

In this picture we see more giants. Plus how did they know about all the planets in 4500 B.C. ? They must have at least had 30 CM telescopes to even see Pluto.

Another thing about the Mayan Calendar, is they never made the calendar, they fine tuned it's been easier to decipher than it's predecessors. The Calenar not only tracks the date, but highlights climaxes alone the time line.

Christianity may or may not be based on Astronomy. They are against astrology, and they do not teach their followers anything about the planets and stars.

The exception to this is Budhism, ans some other religions such as the Japanese one.

Christianity, Judism and Islam are all rip-offs of earlier religions, modified to fit better in to modern society. These earlier religions are based on astronomy, such as the sun's movement over the sky.

Can't speak for Japanese religion, but i know all the others you mentioned are sibling to one another. Muslams do believe in Christ, and Moses. They call him Bhu (something like that).

Including Buddhism and various other Asian religions, they believe in Serpent Gods, as do the Mayans. Religion does cause war. The Bible itself depicts Satan as a Serpent, so it seems as though we got caught in the middle of whatever conflict is occurring.

An example to this is the Egyptian religion. What's unique about the Mayans, was that they were extremely accurate with the star's movements, and understanding about the sky. Mainly because they understood a simple concept: Every thing's going in circles. If the sun rises today, it will likely also rise tomorrow. If Mars have that position in the sky now, it will likely have the same position in the sky again at a later date. That is the foundation of their society, and the reason to their accurate calendar, as they planned everything around the planet's movements, and believed they had a great impact on the life of people, hence the need to study it closely. If they were to crown a new king, they could not do it when the planets were in a bad position, and absolutely not at the end of their 260-day calendar, which was their event calendar, as that ment bad luck, and would result in an early death of their king.

They also believe it was bad luck to be born at the end of the calendar. The calendar was a vital part of their survival. They used it to know when to plant their crops and what not. Even up to this day the Mayan calendar by far surpasses our calendar.

Crowning a king when the planets were in line with each other would mean good luck for their king, thus resulting in the king leading them good through his luck. That is the reason to their accurate calendar, not the Annukki.

Like i said before, the Mayans fine tuned the calendar but they never made it. Originally it's called the Mesoamerican calendar. Mayans refined it in a more sophisticated and complexed manner.

Although it is true the Mayans were very smart. They are among the first civilizations to realize the importance of the number 0.

Also, you seem to not be very read up on Mayan religion, even though you talk about it. The Mayans do state that the world will be cleansed. We're currently in the age of earth, if I remember right.

This is not an attack or me freaking out or anything of that nature... But how does it seem i do not read about Ancient Mayan religion ? And yes that is what i've said, the Mayans call it a cleansing of the earth.

Last aeon were the age of water. Last Aeon (Water), it was believed that a great majority of the human population would drown. This time around, in the Aeon of earth, it is believed by the Mayans the human population will die from huge earthquakes etc. Which actually, when you think about it, makes sense, as a polar shift (which is way overdue. As I mentioned before, should happen every 100k years, but hasn't happened for I believe 150k years), would lead to small disaster, such as earthquakes. It's already started, by the way. It can be seen on, for example whales, that navigate by the magnetic field. They sometimes lose their way and end up at places they normally don't go.

Speaking of which, as I seemed to have been ignored last time. They are constantly moving, and switching sides can be almost instantaneous (that is, in comparison to the huge time frame of the universe). However, it has nothing to do with the Planet X, as its a natural event, and can be explained by physics. Now to the 10 gil question, do you know why it happens, and how?

I figured we were in the age of Aquarius this whole time, not sure.

Running a bit late here, you truly are great Uzor, thanks a bunch, we'll continue later.

 

[StanDarsh]

I was hoping this thread can stay civil and all sides could be discussed with an open mind. Oh well lol.

This is QCDN, you should've known better.

 

[Ryuoho]

So what exactly was the point of this thread Anttaru, cause if you're not going to even discuss the facts of what you posted then what?

 

[Moink]

Mayan calendar stops in the year 2012, I don't deny there being any form of chaos or some super natural event takning place. However, Earth has been around for 65 Billion years, if not longer and Nibiru passed Earth atleast 18 million times without it blowing up.

2009 is suppose to be the year we should be able to view this planet, first small and then progressively bigger within the next 3 years?... That planet is moving faster then it should be for a 3,600 year cycle...

Although... more things man should really be concerned about what's happening to the planet itself. Such as Yellow Stone Park and the Super Volcano that it sits on or whether the next major land slide on an African island will destroy the East Coast of the US...

 

[Zhaoyun]

Earth has been around for 4.5 billion years Moink, just wanted to point that out.

 

[Rayn]

This is QCDN, you should've known better.

Oh, so sorry! I thought this was the Reality Sinks In section of QCDN and not the Flameboard. My bad. /rolleyes

 

[Moink]

Meh still, this so called planet has passed earth enough. and earth is still here.

Idk, just... never really heard of a planet that orbits 2 Stars, Dark or no...

 

[Uzor]

I said it before. They believe it's the end of the age, and that the world will cleanse itself. They don't suggest it's the end of the world. Why ask me when you yourself mention it ? The Calendar is something that wrote itself as they recorded the heavens movements, not something they made up.

They believe its the age of the Aeon. That doesn't mean much. According to their religion, at the end of every age (aproximately every 52 years), the gods will judge mankind. However, it depends. Mankind's purpose on Earth is to take care of the animals and the earth, and sacrifice to the gods to make them happy. We're their servants. Be nice to them, and they'll be nice back.

Also, the calendar was something they invented themselves. And they don't only use one calendar, they use 2 calendars. One 365-day one, and one 260 day one. As I mentioned earlier, the 260 day calendar is the most important one, as that is their event calendar. That was the one used by almost all mesoamerican societies. However, what makes their calendar so precise, is because of the combination of the 365-day calendar and the 260 day calendar. This combination were important to them. They formed different "counts". The Tzolk'in (260 day calendar) is composed of 20 "weeks", of 13 days each. The Haab (365 day calendar), have 20-day circles, with 5 nameless days in the end, that are the "bad-luck" days I mentioned earlier. One "Haab" is one year. These 2 combined, create a synchronized cycle consisting of 52 years (Haab's). This, naturally, leads you to believe that they didn't use a normal May 20, sunday date-naming system, and you're completely correct. Every day have a different name.

First day of the Tzolk'in and first day of Haab would then be called "Imix' Imix'", next day "Ik' Ik'", while 13 days later, it would be "Men Ik'", due to the first calendar having started over. This means their 52 year period have 18980 unique dates.

The preciseness doesn't start there, though. Their somewhat unique counting system is important as well, as its a base 20 system.

However, their most sacred date is Ik'Ik', as that only happens once every approximately 52k years, which is why they call that the end of the Aeon, as that is the first day that the two calendars both start at day 1.

Anyway, its way to complicated to describe any further. But I hope you get the gist of it, and realize that its something they invented by studying the stars' and the planets' movement over the sky.

Sumerian and Mayan along with a list of other cultures all illustrate in stone idols that depict their Gods.

The one to the Left is a depiction of an Annunaki warrior.

Well, the left one is the picture of a Sumerian god.... I'm not sure what that have to do with Mayans. And btw, the thing the gods carry in those pics is a symbol. Personally, I'd guess its a symbol for the sky. Just like the Egyptians, their images are filled with symbolic meanings. The Egyptian kings all carry different masks and beards, depending on his state. As in, where he is, if he's dead or alive, etc. The bird flying above the Egyptian gods is a symbol for one of the goddesses protecting them. She can also be seen as a woman in some cases.

In this picture we see more giants. Plus how did they know about all the planets in 4500 B.C. ? They must have at least had 30 CM telescopes to even see Pluto.

I dunno. I highly doubt aliens gave them the info though.

Another thing about the Mayan Calendar, is they never made the calendar, they fine tuned it's been easier to decipher than it's predecessors. The Calenar not only tracks the date, but highlights climaxes alone the time line.

Mentioned this before.

Christianity may or may not be based on Astronomy. They are against astrology, and they do not teach their followers anything about the planets and stars.

It is. They ripped it off the earlier religions, which were all based on astrology. There's all symbolic meanings in Christianity, which are all based on astrological signs. Such as the three kings, being Orion's Belt. Jesus's birth is the Winter Equinox, which bears an astrological meaning. There's a lot of astrological hints in Christianity. Why? Because they ripped it off from other religions, all which have their religion based on astrology.

Can't speak for Japanese religion, but i know all the others you mentioned are sibling to one another. Muslams do believe in Christ, and Moses. They call him Bhu (something like that).

Yeah, that's why I mentioned that there are exceptions. Such as Buddhism, which is based on self-fulfillment and happiness, and Japanese religion, which is based on respecting your elders and ancestors.

Including Buddhism and various other Asian religions, they believe in Serpent Gods, as do the Mayans. Religion does cause war. The Bible itself depicts Satan as a Serpent, so it seems as though we got caught in the middle of whatever conflict is occurring.

Norse mythology have serpents as well. Midgardsormr (also known as Jörmundgandr, or in FFXI, Jormungand), who Odin were ment to defeat. He were so long that his ate his own tail (representing the circle of life, which almost every religion has represented somewhere), and lay around the tree of life.

They also believe it was bad luck to be born at the end of the calendar. The calendar was a vital part of their survival. They used it to know when to plant their crops and what not. Even up to this day the Mayan calendar by far surpasses our calendar.


Like i said before, the Mayans fine tuned the calendar but they never made it. Originally it's called the Mesoamerican calendar. Mayans refined it in a more sophisticated and complexed manner.

as I mentioned earlier, the last 5 days of their 365 calendar. These days were considered "open", and ment the dead could come back to haunt them, etc. And this is also why I think you didn't read up on Mayan religion that much

I figured we were in the age of Aquarius this whole time, not sure.

According to our astrological calendar, yes. But that's because the vernal equinox is currently in the astrological age of Aquarius, where, if I'm not mistaken, Aquarius is the most visible astrological sign?... Interesting enough, it takes roughly 25800 years for it to go around 1 lap, which, interesting enough, is almost half of the Mayan's 52k (its not 52k, its actually 51800 or something if I remember right) Aeon. Additionally, we entered the Age of Aquarius roughly year 0, and we enter the next one, Pisces, at around 2150 (25800/12=2150).

Its all rather confusing to me, and I read about it a long time ago. Because quite honestly, their 52k until next cleansing makes no sense to me at all. They were well-aware that the earth etc. had existed for longer then that, or so it seems. As some dates found on their inscriptions date back as long as 32 million years in to the future and past, and also some others that state 6 million years. But yet, they state that the first, second and third worlds failed, and this is the fourth one.

Which makes me realize something, and made me read up on some things. Either everyone else, or me (probably me, but it might be both) have misunderstood some things. One Baktun is a period of 400 years (144000 days). Watch the image below.

Now, this is only a visual map. The 13.0.0.0.0 you can see under the first pretty image, is the long count, which I won't go in to as I don't fully understand it myself, and I don't feel like explainign something I don't understand. Anyway. 13 Baktuns equals one "cycle" of 5128,767123 years, which is believed to end at 2012. However, this is not what they count as the and of an Aeon, only the end of a cycle, as the end of an Aeon occurs roughly every 10th of a 13-bakun cycle. The Bakun cycle, that they're counting as "the end of the world" isn't really what the Mayans consider the end of the world at all, neither is the 10-13 bakun cycle. The one they're talking about, is simply new digits in the Mayan's long-count calendar.

I mean, quite honestly. The Mayans were smart. So if the scientists truly interpret the Mayan's writings correctly (and I interpret them all wrong), should we truely believe 2012 is the end of the world, when they seriously believed the stars were born 5100 years ago, and the world will end 5100 years later? I mean, really. In that case Maya is no longer one of my favorite religions. Its just as stupid as all the others.

 

[StanDarsh]

This is QCDN, you should've known better.

Oh, so sorry! I thought this was the Reality Sinks In section of QCDN and not the Flameboard. My bad. /rolleyes

This is QCDN, you should've known better.