December 21, 2012 and Planet X

[Elemmire]

hehe.. personally, thinking about that kinda stuff gets me thinking about other stuff and I just then come to the conclusion "ignorance is bliss". Thinking too much can get depressing :\

 

[Halifirien]

And Hal needs to recognize, everything i take literal in this matter is my informed opinion. ... I never made any of this up. I ask him if he believes he has a soul. No reply, just sarcasm and he quit.

Asking if I believe I have a soul strikes me as irrelevant, but a search of my posts would quickly show I don't believe in an immortal soul. I still don't have a problem with Celvantes attacking your ideas, and I don't apologize for saying they're ignorant bullshit. If this is what passes for informed opinion, you should spend more time in the library.

The reason I quit the thread is because I quickly realized what I was dealing with and washed my hands of it. My uncle Charles is a hippie conspiracy theorist, and I treat this topic the way I do when the starts spouting off about alien abductions and ancient astronomers predicting Karen Carpenter's death: I grin and nod, and I back away. I may as well bash my head into a wall until I lose consciousness as debate a zealot.

 

[Anttaru]

I still don't have a problem with Celvantes attacking your ideas, and I don't apologize for saying they're ignorant bullshit. If this is what passes for informed opinion, you should spend more time in the library.

My idea of what exactly ? What he attacked before ? Cause i don't see him attacking any ideas. You should apologize for saying so, cause there is no ignorance, although you did grant the misinterpretation of it, it shows where you're sense is. I don't see the logic of calling it ignorant at this point. Point it out rather than saying such things.

The reason I quit the thread is because I quickly realized what I was dealing with and washed my hands of it.

Now you're talking again, Obviously you never quit the thread cause you're here.

My uncle Charles is a hippie conspiracy theorist, and I treat this topic the way I do when the starts spouting off about alien abductions and ancient astronomers predicting Karen Carpenter's death: I grin and nod, and I back away. I may as well bash my head into a wall until I lose consciousness as debate a zealot.

Maybe you should for real, then you might discover there are more positive ways of dealing with you're uncle other than plastic smiles and false agreements.

A good lesson for you would be to not get involved on topics online that induce you to vent out you're problem with someone else, towards others, it's ugly behavior. You're too coward to say anything to uncle Charles. Also it's too late for you to bring you're uncle Charles here isn't it. He probably would have loved to toss in his 2 cents, but at the same time he would see how you are.

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Ancient astronomers also predict a super volcanic eruption to bring great damage to a diverse nation. Looking at where Yellowstone is located and it being the 1 out of the 3 super volcanoes which is said to be overdue, plus how did they know the land it dwells on would become so diverse back then ? How ?

- To ignore the Yellowstone Super volcano's existence is ignorant.

- To ignore this ancient prediction in particular, would also be ignorant. Uncle Charles would believe it wouldn't he.

 

[Celvantes]

The ones who mean to give me a difficult time here are the ones who:

- Do not believe in the ancient scriptures, which is renowned to be more accurate in terms of astronomy and Time itself while we are a more advanced generation than they were.

- Do not give any credit to the structures these civilizations had, in a time when there were no construction machines. These structures were made with accuracy, not only to face the heavens a certain way , but also in craftsmanship.

- Are in a religion but doubt the revelations can possibly occur in our lifetime, without reason at that.

- Take me for an idiot.

- Do not believe in God.

- Find it trendy to bash someone like me

/sigh

You see, this is exactly what I was talking about.

Point 1: Ancient scriptures are exactly that - writings of ancient people who did not understand the world the same way we did. Were they smart? Yes, you have to be to survive and build a civilization with bronze-age techonology (which, by the way, was pretty much what the Mayans had). Did they make accurate observations about the heavens? Yes. But predicting eclipses is a FAR cry from accurately tracking planetary bodies that we can't even see today with telescopes exponentially better than anything the Mayan's European counterparts had in the day.

Just because you and a few cook websites believe something doesn't make it "renowned." If ancient scriptures were truly renowned as being more accurate, everyone would use them to publish, say, sunrise and sunset times instead of going off what the Naval Observatory says.

Point 2: Just because someone can build walls without cement or mortar and move giant blocks that we wouldn't dream of building with today does not make them a qualified astrophysicist. Yes, some of the buildings created by ancient civilizaitions (Mayans, Inca, Egyptians, Babylonians, etc) are quite amazing. But it's still nothing more than good masonry and the work of THOUSANDS (perhaps millions) of people. No, they didn't have construction equipment, but they sure as hell had a lot of laborers and a lot of time. The fact that certain buildings reflect the heavens isn't surprising. Giza (along with outlying structures) accurately models the constellation Orion. Egyptians believed it to be the heavenly representation of one of their gods, so why is it surprising that they tried to recreate it with their pyramids? The calculations to make a structure face a certain star aren't too hard. While it's admirable that ancient civilizations studied the stars long enough to be able to do this, it still doesn't mean they had the capability to do something like predict a planetary collision with earth.

Point 3: Contrary to your assertion - I'm do belong to a religion, and I do believe in G-d. However, I also take the Old Testament (my faith does not include the New Testament) for what it is: the written account of what was a story passed down through oral repetition for generations. I also understand that many passages can change meaning depending on how you translate the ancient Hebrew and that there are thousands upon thousands of pages of text that debate all these various meanings (the Talmud). In short, while the values it teaches are absolute, the facts of the stories depicted in the Bible are far from certain simply because of human error.

Point 4: Taking you for idiot does not invalidate our own reasoning, it simply means we don't recognize the validity of yours.

Point 5: Bashing you is not 'trendy.' We're arguing against you because what you're saying is clearly wrong in many regards.

I understand "some of the things" i say seem to be far fetched, like E.T.'s and what not, but those things are as i stated, my personal thoughts as to how this can unfold. I dislike others trying to force me to believe things, so i don't expect anyone who isn't feeling my personal belief to roll with me.

Try "most of the things." And you must understand: belief does not equal fact. You're saying that your beliefs are facts and resting them on very poor evidence.

If you were to come out and say, 'hey, I believe this is going to happen,' those here arguing with you would just roll their eyes and move on. But, you say 'this is going to happen!' and then post a bunch of, well, for lack of a better term, bullshit.

And Hal needs to recognize, everything i take literal in this matter is my informed opinion. I believe in Annunaki with reason, he does not which is fine. He himself "granted" me that you misinterpreted and attacked while i myself was in question on that first chart, so him bringing you up in the first place was silly, but he still insisted on taking a stab at me anyway. Other than that the only thing he had to say to me was something "along the lines of, not to make things up and exploit it". I never made any of this up. I ask him if he believes he has a soul. No reply, just sarcasm and he quit. Do you have admiration for that way Celvantes ?

I've known Hal for a long time, and while we disagree on many subjects, I respect him because he has good reason for some of the things he believes. Misguided, in my opinion, but good reason never the less. You, on the other hand, have chosen to see one side of a subject (and a very small one at that), while simultaneously choosing to ignore mountains of proof that debunk almost everything you're saying. If you actually did the amount of study that you say you have, and didn't only look for "evidence" that supported your claim, you would be on board with the rest of us, or at least accepting of what we have to say.

 

[Uzor]

Ancient astronomers also predict a super volcanic eruption to bring great damage to a diverse nation. Looking at where Yellowstone is located and it being the 1 out of the 3 super volcanoes which is said to be overdue, plus how did they know the land it dwells on would become so diverse back then ? How ?

- To ignore the Yellowstone Super volcano's existence is ignorant.

- To ignore this ancient prediction in particular, would also be ignorant. Uncle Charles would believe it wouldn't he.

- Sometime, somewhere in the future, someone will due by falling out of their bed and land on their cat, causing the cat to die as well.

- A person loved by many will die

- A house will fall

- A volcano will erupt, causing people to die

- A sea of fire will cause animals to die

Does this make me able to predict the future? No. Will all of my predictions come true? In all likelihood, yes. The first happens pretty much every day, and the cat can die due to lack of food caused by their owner dieing. A person loved by many WILL die, as all people die, including kings, presidents and celebrities. A house fall rather often, and sometime in the future, a volcano will erupt and cause people to die. Forest fires happen frequently, and it can kill a lot of animals.

 

[Anttaru]

Well, the way I see this. ~

If something like this happened before, there are signs it did, and signs it didn't. All the craters on the plants, on the darksides (Moon and all that jazz) would make sense when the planet (Asteroid Belt) was destroyed. Though the Earth stands nice and purty for us. Plus, if we can dig up fossils from a billion years ago. We can easily dig up core samples for changes in the Earth's climate. Plus the splitting of "Pangea" wouldn't of occured the way scientists predicted it if it did occur at all. The way they show it, from models, is the poles were still there, and they split amongst the poles and drifted around until the ended up hitting each other. They should of predicted that for when this "judgement planet" rolls around. Personally. I think I'll be somewhere happy in 4 years. So I wont give a rolling two balls a shit when this bitch walks by. And if I'm not happy, I know where I'm heading when I die. ~ If I survive. This world is gonna get a f*cking make over.

I feel you Helius. Spiritually it seems to me you are of the light, and very conscious about moving off to a brighter and faster environment where you'll lovingly be greeted by you're maker in a place of you're choice. You have courage now, and probably don't doubt you'll be frightened if you have to face the ruckus. Seems to me as though you'll be standing firm with expectations. You're nice.

 

[Uzor]

you sound like a religious fanatic there >.O You scare me <.<;

 

[Anttaru]

- Sometime, somewhere in the future, someone will due by falling out of their bed and land on their cat, causing the cat to die as well.

- A person loved by many will die

- A house will fall

- A volcano will erupt, causing people to die

- A sea of fire will cause animals to die

Does this make me able to predict the future? No. Will all of my predictions come true? In all likelihood, yes. The first happens pretty much every day, and the cat can die due to lack of food caused by their owner dieing. A person loved by many WILL die, as all people die, including kings, presidents and celebrities. A house fall rather often, and sometime in the future, a volcano will erupt and cause people to die. Forest fires happen frequently, and it can kill a lot of animals.

- A Super Volcano will destroy a great diverse nation where people from all races dwell. Either way you look at it, there were correct when pointing out what land will be occupied by whom.

How did they know an area with a super volcano would become a diverse Nation ? North America and Canada are the most diverse nations in the world. Parts of Canada is suppose to take some of the blast also.

Before Canada and America became as they are, they were invaded and the land was seized through War with the natives that were here before everyone. This is the beginning of these diverse nations.

A good prediction or a good guess ?

The Bible explains it to be something along the lines of the stars falling from the sky, and hitting the ground like shaking a cherry tree, followed by darkness in the skies. Science explains it to be volcanic ask and molten rock spewing all over the place, with a 25,000 klm radius.

Science knows it, the Ancients knew it, but does everyone know about it ?

 

[Uzor]

Its a random guess that can apply to a lot of different things. Here's another one given a long time ago:
-Two brothers standing tall will fall.

After Twin Towers fell, people went "WOW! HIS PREDICTIONS CAME TRUE!". However, "Two brothers will fall" can apply to pretty much ANYTHING involving two of something. A super volcano can just refer to a large volcano, or a large volcanic eruption. A great diverse nation can mean several things. pretty much every nation is diverse in one way or another. People just apply the predictions to whatever fits the category.

Its like those popular zodiacs. They apply to EVERYONE, pretty much. Things like "The Signs show you should be careful what you say today. People may take it the wrong way" can apply to everyone, every day, any time. However, humans have a tendency to actively look for things that prove our opinion of something. Thus, if we believe something is true, we are awed when we find proof that it is. However, information that states otherwise are either forgotten, ignored, or explained by some kind of inconsistency law.

Take Christianity for example. God is all-knowing and good, and love us. However, there's evil in the world because of free will. That's an excellent example of what I call "law of inconsistency". A law that explains something that goes AGAINST your own belief.

 

[Halifirien]

My idea of what exactly ? What he attacked before ? Cause i don't see him attacking any ideas. You should apologize for saying so, cause there is no ignorance, although you did grant the misinterpretation of it, it shows where you're sense is. I don't see the logic of calling it ignorant at this point. Point it out rather than saying such things.

Now you're talking again, Obviously you never quit the thread cause you're here.

Celvantes entered the thread pointing out how the stuff you're saying about Mayan calendars predicting the end of the world wasn't likely to be true. I said I was wrong about one part of what Celvantes said, but that one part doesn't change the rest of it being a bunch of New Age claptrap.

And I was still posting here after I said I quit. So what? It's not like I signed a contract.

Maybe you should for real, then you might discover there are more positive ways of dealing with you're uncle other than plastic smiles and false agreements.

Don't worry about my uncle. He's heard me say "Bullshit" enough times when he starts up about Mayans and Nostradamus and all the rest. I eventually cut my losses and start tuning him out, too. Like I said, there comes a point when there's just no point in arguing with him anymore.

 

[Alyada]

-Two brothers standing tall will fall.

OMG! It was the Kennedy's! I KNEW IT. NOSTRADOFUS KNEW! :O

Anttaru, no one is picking on you because it's the current trend. I thought you were pretty cool until you started all this bullshit.

Not to mention that you're completely ignoring all evidence and don't know what the true, and real use of the word 'ignorant' is. /sigh

I guess this is America. Glad me and wife have passports and emergancy money so we can escape when needed.

 

[Alyada]

Firstly, Planet X was brought up as a theory to explain the inconcistancies when Neptune and the planet formally known as Pluto began having strange orbits. It seemed something was 'tugging' them from beyond the known solar system.

Secondly, Planet X is not out there. It was disproved by a recalculation of the orbits as well as the fact that none of the probes sent to Neptune, Uranus, and Pluto have been pulled by anything outside of the gravitational pulls of the 8 known planets.

Thirdly, the entire brain of operation behind this 'Planet X' theory is Zecharia Sitchin, who is a crack. His idea of Nibiru colliding with 'Tiamat' (another hypothetical planet) and causing the creation of our now known earth is hard to reconcile with the earth's current small orbital eccentricity of only 0.0167. And that should've happed at least 4.5 billion years ago, not 3,600 as he says.

I may not be a math major, or a scientist, but none of this adds up.

Also quoting myself because you failed to read it the first time. :\ Bolded paragraph for the win.

 

[Anttaru]

Point 1: Ancient scriptures are exactly that - writings of ancient people who did not understand the world the same way we did.

The same way we did ? That is laughable considering how was defiled this world. I posted their illustrations and explained what they mean.

Were they smart? Yes, you have to be to survive and build a civilization with bronze-age techonology (which, by the way, was pretty much what the Mayans had). Did they make accurate observations about the heavens? Yes. But predicting eclipses is a FAR cry from accurately tracking planetary bodies that we can't even see today with telescopes exponentially better than anything the Mayan's European counterparts had in the day.

Another thing that amazes astronomers today is that the ancients did track planets that need a telescope to be seen. i posted an illustration that depicts 12 planets in the solar system.

Just because you and a few cook websites believe something doesn't make it "renowned." If ancient scriptures were truly renowned as being more accurate, everyone would use them to publish, say, sunrise and sunset times instead of going off what the Naval Observatory says.

Oh really. When we had a Time Shift in the 90's The Mesoamerican calendar predicted it, and we did not foresee it till late. This is what cause the uproar for the Y2k because computer calendars did not implement this time shift, it wasn't so much of a big deal as in most cases we can just adjust the time and date on the computer as we please. Mesoamerican calendar is still kicking and very accurately.

Point 2: Just because someone can build walls without cement or mortar and move giant blocks that we wouldn't dream of building with today does not make them a qualified astrophysicist. Yes, some of the buildings created by ancient civilizaitions (Mayans, Inca, Egyptians, Babylonians, etc) are quite amazing. But it's still nothing more than good masonry and the work of THOUSANDS (perhaps millions) of people. No, they didn't have construction equipment, but they sure as hell had a lot of laborers and a lot of time.

Going by science.

Today we have a population of 6.6 Billion people.
in 1900 we had 1.6 million
in 1800 we had 900,000
in 1000 we had 300,000
in 1 we had 200,000
in 1000 BC there was a population of 50,000

Again this is sciences estimates, if it's changed let me know.

Now We're talking about 4,500 BC pyramids. If there were hundreds of thousands of workers as you suggested, then there had to have been a cleansing/new beginning between then and now. Most likely Noah's flood.

The fact that certain buildings reflect the heavens isn't surprising. Giza (along with outlying structures) accurately models the constellation Orion. Egyptians believed it to be the heavenly representation of one of their gods, so why is it surprising that they tried to recreate it with their pyramids? The calculations to make a structure face a certain star aren't too hard. While it's admirable that ancient civilizations studied the stars long enough to be able to do this, it still doesn't mean they had the capability to do something like predict a planetary collision with earth.

Not sure what you mean by planetary collision. But any civilization that knows the planetary cycles would know they they will line up and effect one another.

Point 3: Contrary to your assertion - I'm do belong to a religion, and I do believe in G-d. However, I also take the Old Testament (my faith does not include the New Testament) for what it is: the written account of what was a story passed down through oral repetition for generations. I also understand that many passages can change meaning depending on how you translate the ancient Hebrew and that there are thousands upon thousands of pages of text that debate all these various meanings (the Talmud). In short, while the values it teaches are absolute, the facts of the stories depicted in the Bible are far from certain simply because of human error.

If you claim to follow the Old testament and only that, then you should believe in Noah's Ark. Why support or follow something that contains stories you find difficult to believe ?

The Bible (English version) was translated in the medieval times, which is why it has an old English accent, it's well written, and probably been tampered with over time, but mistaking an entire concept of a story would be going too far. If you think Human error can screw that up, then why do/would you follow the Old Testament ?

Point 4: Taking you for idiot does not invalidate our own reasoning, it simply means we don't recognize the validity of yours.

Ah yes. Like people would take you for an idiot if you believed in the best stories of your Old Testament. Am i right ?

Point 5: Bashing you is not 'trendy.' We're arguing against you because what you're saying is clearly wrong in many regards.

You're not everyone. There are people who are criticizing me for off topic reasons here. In the list you are one of the few who take me for an idiot. So when i list people who found it trendy to critique me, don't come to me and say "we" can i never included you to begin with. I know you're not striking me because you think it's trendy. I know you're not.

Try "most of the things." And you must understand: belief does not equal fact. You're saying that your beliefs are facts and resting them on very poor evidence.

I posted plenty of evidence, "and i even stated how we can be wrong about many things", then i posted reasons + evidence as to why i said that. Show me where i said my belief is fact. Please do. And show me or you can even explain what poor evidence have i posted.

If you were to come out and say, 'hey, I believe this is going to happen,' those here arguing with you would just roll their eyes and move on. But, you say 'this is going to happen!' and then post a bunch of, well, for lack of a better term, bullshit.

I said it and I'll say again. Science and religion both say these things are going to happen, this is nothing to take for granted. I admit, at one point i do recall stating something along the lines of "When Nibiru comes near, it's no laughing matter". Unfortunately i had to deal with 3 crybabies over it, one being yourself.

I've known Hal for a long time, and while we disagree on many subjects, I respect him because he has good reason for some of the things he believes.

He had a change in belief of you. Perhaps he'll still treat you better than he treats Uncle Charles.

Misguided, in my opinion, but good reason never the less. You, on the other hand, have chosen to see one side of a subject (and a very small one at that), while simultaneously choosing to ignore mountains of proof that debunk almost everything you're saying.

I ignore proof From who ? and What Proof are you talking about ? Again, don't tell me what i do, quote me on it. And show me where i ignore others. Can you do that please.

If you actually did the amount of study that you say you have, and didn't only look for "evidence" that supported your claim, you would be on board with the rest of us, or at least accepting of what we have to say.

I accept what everyone here says, even you Alyada and Hal. And how can you start saying i only look for evidence and not post it. Seriously how ?

I posted the most content in this thread. And Uzor for one has so much depth, why can't you be like him ? All you bring is talk which is ok, but knock it off with ignoring what i post. You're too focused on fighting.

 

[Zhaoyun]

Going by science.

Today we have a population of 6.6 Billion people.
in 1900 we had 1.6 million
in 1800 we had 900,000
in 1000 we had 300,000
in 1 we had 200,000
in 1000 BC there was a population of 50,000

Again this is sciences estimates, if it's changed let me know.

Historically speaking this is incorrect. If you take some of the estimates of the warriors at the battle of Guagemela in 331 B.C.. Its said that there were at least 200,000 Persian warriors, if not more.

 

[Elemmire]

not to mention Rome ALONE had near 1,000,000 people living there during Roman times (at least that's what my tour guide said XD)

 

[Alyada]

Oh really. When we had a Time Shift in the 90's The Mesoamerican calendar predicted it, and we did not foresee it till late. This is what cause the uproar for the Y2k because computer calendars did not implement this time shift, it wasn't so much of a big deal as in most cases we can just adjust the time and date on the computer as we please. Mesoamerican calendar is still kicking and very accurately.

This isn't evidence to support your cause. We knew that the year 2000 was right around the corner. Someone programmed the computers (mainly, Windows 98') to not handle the "00" of the year 2000. And of course the Mesoamerican calander is fine, it isn't in a computer. I could sure write down the year 2000 on anything, but it was a computer flaw that caused the Y2k scare.

Against, let me state, that was a computation error.

The Bible (English version) was translated in the medieval times, which is why it has an old English accent, it's well written, and probably been tampered with over time, but mistaking an entire concept of a story would be going too far. If you think Human error can screw that up, then why do/would you follow the Old Testament ?

The bible has been translated a thousand times over in different languages. How anyone follows it completely is beyond me. The pot has had waaay too many hands and there is a history of using christianity as a means of control (especially those damn catholics).

I ignore proof From who ? and What Proof are you talking about ? Again, don't tell me what i do, quote me on it. And show me where i ignore others. Can you do that please.

Look up again, I quoted myself for you and, basically, use real science to debunk your fake science. (hence, numbers).

I accept what everyone here says, even you Alyada and Hal. And how can you start saying i only look for evidence and not post it. Seriously how ?

Because you've been just posting more evidence against us. If you trully accept it, you'd be like: "Oh, guess you guys really do know what's happening. I'm going to go take my Draco-Lizard-Satan-Aliens over here and play by myself."

 

[Uzor]

first of, Anttaru. I'm not sure how many times I can say this, but the mesoamerican calendar is not as exact as you state. The mayan calendar is the one that's so exact, due to them using 2 calendars. Sure, their 365 calendar is based on the mesoamerican calendar, but that one isn't that exact. Its the combined forces of the two calendars that bring them their super powers.

and yes, I did write that with comedy in mind.

Also, your "scientifically" explained population curve is very wrong. very wrong. The world population has not increased from 1,6 mil to 6,6 billion in 100 years, nor has it increased by almost 6 billion in 200 years. Also, there were A LOT more then 300k people in the year 1000. I have no idea where you got those numbers from, but that source shouldn't even be allowed to exist.

30k years ago the Neanderthals died out. Interesting enough, they mated with Homosapiens, which is one of the reasons they died out. We increased our territory from the eastern tip of Africa, and moved north with a speed of 1km per year. This ment that we pushed the Neanderthals towards the edges of Europe and Asia. Our two species eventually mated, while the other remaining Neanderthals died out.

However, around 10k years ago if I remember correctly, a natural disaster of some kind, or a plague-like event, resulted in mankind to almost go extinct. We worked our way up again, luckily, and here we are today. This is one of the reasons the entire human species have a smaller DNA-variation then a flock of gorillas.

 

[Anttaru]

Also quoting myself because you failed to read it the first time. :\ Bolded paragraph for the win.

I did read it and responded. But Ok we'll rehash this.

Secondly, Planet X is not out there. It was disproved by a recalculation of the orbits as well as the fact that none of the probes sent to Neptune, Uranus, and Pluto have been pulled by anything outside of the gravitational pulls of the 8 known planets.

More than 8 my friend NASA counts 11, They also do not include 4 other bodies in this count. Why i do not know. Forget Uranus. It's about Neptune.

Thirdly, the entire brain of operation behind this 'Planet X' theory is Zecharia Sitchin, who is a crack.

Lie.

Zecharia Sitchin did write a book about Planet X, but he did not pioneer the theory. If you read what i posted i won't need to say anything to you about this.

Just to get it out of the way, the X is a roman numeral for 10. Planet X = 10th planet.

The search for Planet X (As science calls it X) was back in the 30's. Neptune, the 8th and final known planet at the time, was having gravitational activity that suggested there was more than one planet beyond it. When they found Pluto AFTER the search for Planet X was already in effect it was dubbed the 9th Planet. This was back in the 30's. Again about Pluto not being a Planet, it has been decided that it is a Planet again, and they call it a Dwarf Planet now.

NASA claims to have found a 10th body in 2003 and named it Eris in 2005, and they released estimated status on it's size and ecliptic orbit, which is kinda similar to how Nibiru is suppose to appear with various exceptions, including it's distance. Eris is what they call a Trans Neptunian Planet.

Read about it.

His idea of Nibiru colliding with 'Tiamat' (another hypothetical planet) and causing the creation of our now known earth is hard to reconcile with the earth's current small orbital eccentricity of only 0.0167. And that should've happed at least 4.5 billion years ago, not 3,600 as he says.

If Zecharia Sitchin really thinks that happened 3,600 years ago, then he'll not be including ancient civilizations into his beliefs about a planet that the ancients told us about. Are you sure he thinks that happened 3,600 years ago ? I doubt he thinks so, maybe i should check it out for you sometime.

 

[Lanien]

I just wanted to comment on one thing, and that is the populations your posted Ant. In 1900, you said there were 1.6million people on earth. In WW1 13 years later, over 40million people died civilian and military. Your numbers are impossible.

 

[Uzor]

I just wanted to comment on one thing, and that is the populations your posted Ant. In 1900, you said there were 1.6million people on earth. In WW1 13 years later, over 40million people died civilian and military. Your numbers are impossible.

Yeah, like I said, I have NO IDEA where he got his numbers. That source should be lynched.