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[Moev]

Sorry for the tripple post but I wanted to address...

Hmm who should I start with...???

Scrumpy, your just another in the long line of shitty rdm's. Your mad because along with most of the people who posted in this thread, I disagreed with your weak attempt to Flame a WAR who was doing nothing wrong. (If my OP wasn't way back on page 6-7, filled up afterwards by stupid posts that were off topic, you'd see that I was agree'n with WAR in the matter of the OP of this thread).

You can't even land a slow... Your kung-fu is weak little one, beat it before I pull out my "bitch begone spray" and blind you.

That guy I don't know...

Your a perfect example of some retard comming into a thread and talking shit that has nothing to do with anything.

I never said that a WAR can't tank. Rather that it is harder for a war to tank verses a job like PLD or NIN. Along with the fact that many war's find it harder to tank with out a counter tank higher levels. For them to do so usually requires the best gear possible for a main tank WAR and most of it is 51+(if not all of it).

Krono made a post along the lines that having a SJ is the same as having it your main job, which I called him on. He is yet to reply. Then you decide to pipe up and pick one word and start talking about irrevelant shit... IE: Mnk as main tank, you go on about WAR/MNK...

You say I am making assumptions, sorry dear its all there in the posts. It's a proven fact your a moron, im not assuming anything. However you then go on to assume that I am all high and mighty and know it all. Even if I was making assumptions, it's always funny to see the pot calling the kettle black.

Your unable to have an INT converstaion or make any valid point related to the topic at hand. I find you boring and ghey, make a worthwhile post and I might consider replying to it.

 

[Moev]

Correction

Had to correct myself since there's not edit. Page 3 not 6-7 was my OP, and it's filled with stupid shit before and after

Also forgot to comment on counter tanking. Your right smart guy I have no clue what counter tanking is... Isn't that when the blm or whm over heals or nukes to pull hate off the tank??? Omg your a homo. For the record, I was being sarcastic.

 

[GC]

MNKs have it hard buying expensive equipment as it is. Buying Counter Gear for MNK is even more expensive, but believe me if they have the funds, they can be just as great of a tank as anyone else.

And Moev the ability that raises STR but lowers DEF is Berserk, and it's a WAR ability you get at lvl 15, there's also Defender that does the opposite at 25. Most of time time Berserk would not be used if one would tank, only time I might consider it is when you're ready for ws, use it with Warcry and Boost to unleash you ws and then turn it off afterwards. Leaving it on with Counterstance up would be suicide.

MNK have lots of way to keep hate as well. Chi Blast gives a decent amount of hate, as well as Warcry. Chakra can decently heal one with the AF Crown on, and remove some statuses, and Dodge does really increase evasion. and if all else fails you can turn off Cunterstance and use Defender.

So really it all comes down to money, if you have it you can be solid Tank in an assortment of jobs.

 

[Moev]

GC thanks for clearing that up, like I said i couldn't remember the name. I thought it was something like that chakra move or whatever its called when they regain some HP but also take more damage.

Anyway it's not the point really. You basically proved my point. Anyone in theory with the proper gear and unlimited cash can tank. That is why I made the comment (ture but more so a joke) of how even a whm can tank with a counter tank. Your guys (you as in you and that guy) are talking about a best case senerio.

Which I was not. No matter how good your gear is as a mnk at level 30-40 noway would I want to party with a mnk as the lone tank. I wouldn't want to party with a mnk as main tank ever for that matter.

It is a simple fact that there are more suitable jobs in this game to fill that role. I highly doubt that SE designed the job class of mnk with the thoughts of tanking exp mobs in mind. Monk is an outright pure damage dealer. I don't see why anyone would want to limit their natural role to have them tank. Most people would rather maximize their possible exp, with a balanced party rather then playing unothadox job class's in unusual positions.

If I knew a highly skilled player who had a ton of gil laying around and had proper gear as mnk and wanted to try tanking, I might consider leveling and seeing how it goes. Once again this is a best case senerio.

The point of this thread and topic is about how scumpy, a red mage who cant consistantly land slow on crabs, tryed to flame a WAR because they communicated with their party and told them what they needed to do thier job most effectivly. Had scrumpy been able to do his job the WAR wouldn't have had to keep asking. Plain and simple.

So really any point your trying to make to disprove my generalized statement of how a MNK can't tank, is not only pointless but irrevelant. For every one MNK in any server who can tank and do a pretty good job at it, there is atleast 10 who can't. I also highly doubt that a party with a MNK MJ as tank could keep up exp wise to a party with a class more suited for tanking.

 

[Eulore]

It is a simple fact that there are more suitable jobs in this game to fill that role. I highly doubt that SE designed the job class of mnk with the thoughts of tanking exp mobs in mind. Monk is an outright pure damage dealer. I don't see why anyone would want to limit their natural role to have them tank. Most people would rather maximize their possible exp, with a balanced party rather then playing unothadox job class's in unusual positions.

Ever partied with a ninja main tank? Yes? Shut the fuck up, bitch.

 

[Moev]

Eulore thanks I know I am a bitch. I'd also like to thank you for doing nothing but taking up good web space.

I am sure that pretty much everyone has party'd with a Nin as main tank at one point in time. I don't really get what point your trying to make, I doubt you have one.

If your trying to suggest that Nin is an unusual job class in an unorthadox position, well then thats just funny.

Nin, unlike MNK is not a major damage dealer. Their SC's and WS's can do damage but normally not comparable to other types of DD's. They do however have the tools and abilties to not only tank, but do it better then a PLD in many cases. Considering they get hit less often, saves MP for mages curing them. Flash is used when they need to recast ut:ichi often means they don't even get hit in a battle unless it's an AOE attack.

I honestly hope your not trying to say a MNK tanking is in the same class as a NIN tanking, because that would just be downright silly.

 

[Kergleplexic]

It is a simple fact that there are more suitable jobs in this game to fill that role. I highly doubt that SE designed the job class of mnk with the thoughts of tanking exp mobs in mind. Monk is an outright pure damage dealer. I don't see why anyone would want to limit their natural role to have them tank. Most people would rather maximize their possible exp, with a balanced party rather then playing unothadox job class's in unusual positions.

Ever partied with a ninja main tank? Yes? Shut the fuck up, bitch.

:lol: /bow Eulore

 

[Cix]

Eulore thanks I know I am a bitch. I'd also like to thank you for doing nothing but taking up good web space.

I am sure that pretty much everyone has party'd with a Nin as main tank at one point in time. I don't really get what point your trying to make, I doubt you have one.

If your trying to suggest that Nin is an unusual job class in an unorthadox position, well then thats just funny.

Nin, unlike MNK is not a major damage dealer. Their SC's and WS's can do damage but normally not comparable to other types of DD's. They do however have the tools and abilties to not only tank, but do it better then a PLD in many cases. Considering they get hit less often, saves MP for mages curing them. Flash is used when they need to recast ut:ichi often means they don't even get hit in a battle unless it's an AOE attack.

I honestly hope your not trying to say a MNK tanking is in the same class as a NIN tanking, because that would just be downright silly.

Well actually SE's main goal with ninja was probably to be a debuffer/DD. The reason Ninjas usually dont do very much damage and can tank so well is because they stock up on agi/evasion based gear. Note how hauby can be equipped by Nin if you think they cant get some DD gear.
The only difference between Nin and Mnk tanking is that Nin has been tanking for a much longer time, and during that time it has been seen as less and less unorthodox, and is now considered the norm.

 

[Zealot X]

Moev, I'm really starting to feel for you. Everything you say seems to be getting taken out of context. Or maybe who (who just don't like you) are picking out things they can call you on.

Fact is, what you said is correct. MNK cannot be compared with NIN as tank. NIN and RDM were designed to be more versatile than other jobs. PERIOD. Did SE originally design NIN to tank? Doubtful. But the reason it became popular is because the VERSATILITY of nin made it that way. And there are mobs you would not want a PLD to tank. But for the best case you would either choose a NIN or a PLD. I have never ever heard, "For where we're going I think we need a WAR to tank" or "I see 2 PLDs and 3 NINs but let's wait for a MNK tank".

I've seen MNKs take beatings from an IT mob when they managed to get enough hate. All that HP does go faster because their DEF isn't great. Even if you look at low level clothes for MNK and NIN, they are always weaker than WAR/PLD. MNK cannot tank without seriously overhauling their gear which would take away from their ability to be a good DD. Why would you turn a good DD (possibly best) into an only decent tank. Most people who play FFXI like best case scenarios. They like maximizing xp/hr. Most people would not ask a mnk to tank. A lot of people would even prefer to end the part and go to bed (earning 0 xp) than waste their time with a weak PT setup.

Moev: Most people would rather maximize their possible exp, with a balanced party rather then playing unothadox job class's in unusual positions.

It is clear to me, should be to everyone who doesn't have a grudge against Moev, that NIN was not being put into the category of unorthadox job in unusual position. The fact is, tanking is not unorthadox for a nin because it is a versatile job and is even better than PLD in many cases where PLD is better than NIN in many cases. But we rate them about equal because for FUNCTIONALITY they are on the same level.

 

[Moev]

Lmao

There is a huge differance between a MNK and a NIN tanking. I mean after all they are two different job classes with two totally different sets of abilities.

I agree with cix for the most part of what he said. However just to clarify I didn't say they can't get DD gear or cant do some damage. I said they don't compare to the amount of damage other classes of DD's can dishout. So since nobody thinks "I need a DD, lets find a NIN" most people understand why NIN has found other ways to make themselfs more of a bonus to an exp party. Some mobs are great to have a NIN tank, others aren't. Which also maybe the reason SE made the changes to Ut;Ichi and NI, since they most likely didn't design NIN with tanking in mind. Either way doesn't matter or change the simple fact there are way more suitable jobs to tank the MNK.

Zealot lol I have noticed that more and more not only on the boards here but in the game also. Seems logic and reasoning is out the window. It's lets jump into a topic and pick out 1 word so we can shift the focus of the thread, and get all my little online friends to come to my aid with even more comments that have no point or logic behind them.

I don't mind though it gives me something to laugh at. After all I still go about my business, exp when I want to, make my gil, kill gods, ect. Doesn't really bother me one bit, and its a flame board lol.