Double Standards - Race Perceptions of America

[Arctyrael]

Inspired by thread: http://www.qcdn.org/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=22634

If you where black you would not be crying like a lil bitch

Wtf mate. People do not whine because they are black. White people and Black people, as well as every other fucking race on this Earth, are just as stupid as each other. Just to point out my next pet peave - Why is it that race is equivocated to abilities BY THE SAME people that do not want their abilities judged based on race.

I can go into my whole spiel on how I feel people opress themselves because they feed on the idea that they themselves are opressed. Controversal as the idea may seem, it makes sense and holds true for everytime a situation arises to test the theory. Notice how I did not say 'black people' I said 'people.' A generalized reference to which there are many examples.

I feel I am stepping on toes by saying this, but the great thing about online forums would be the lack of a face to a screen name... so pretty much anything within reason can be said.

Black people - The predominant minority. This could be perhaps only because they are at the forefront of the news more. (ie... a black person crime/event is more likely to get coverage than any other race... yea racism, but black people also run that media) The issue is so touchy for a white person to even talk about. If a white person mentions color, it is racism. Albeit, this may be better in some areas than others. I have trouble describing an individual as black - even though it is a blatant physical description of the person. I shouldn't have to negotiate my words to not offend anyone when it is a physical description.

Example: (Friends eating at lunch - you are over at a table talking to a person) You return to your table in which your friends are and they ask who you were talking to. Moment of hesitation as you consider what to say, finally just resting on, "I was talking to the black girl." Immediately they know who you are talking about.
This is assuming the rest of the table consists of other races. Otherwise more detail may be needed.

My point?: I shouldn't have to hesitate on how to describe someone. You are black, purple, white, blue, green, tan - it is just a color.

As far as the opressed portion of my stance. Opression belief feeds on opression imho. I will give you a real life scenario that I witnessed.
I was in class one day. My school was about to do the pledge to the flag and one black girl did not stand. After the pledge the bitch teacher confronted her about it, saying that was entirely disrespectful to the soldiers in Iraq not to stand. The teacher tossed out the fact that it was her constitutional right that she did not have to stand. I was on the black girls side when she replied that it was her right not to stand. Then she elaborated on why she did not stand and I lost all respect. She did not feel that black people were treated as equals under the United States government. Somehow, that this particular race was sub par in the eyes of a whole entity controlling this country.

I do not see how this is possible. I am not saying there is no such thing as racism. I know there is. Hell I'm from Tennessee. What I am saying is that the same opportunities afforded everyone else, are also afforded all minorities. In many situations, the country even caters to the minorities. The few examples for black people would be NAACP lobbying as well as the United Negro College Fund. You don't see a White's Activists group, or a Caucasion College fund. If you did, the predominant cry would be reverse racism. Even if you grow up in the poorest of cities, poorest of neighborhoods - everything you become comes down to personal choice. I cite Oprah here. You want a good example of personal choice, rags to riches? There she is.

Also - whats up with the 'n' word. Not that I want to use it, but why can black people use it, then hold a double standard of anyone else(all other races) not using it. Personally, I don't see it holding the same context it did in the civil war unless it has adjectives along with it. You know: "You piece of shit n*****." I would definitely say that phrase would have the civil war context. However, "What up nig?" clearly does not - even though anyone other than a black person saying this is marked racist.

I could also go on about Latinos - but we've already had this discussion a long time ago. The rants I just mentioned are probably already in it as well, but I stopped reading it after 12 pages.

My point in this very long, very winded post was simply this: We all live in the same country with the same opportunities. And if by chance, God willing, you were to take the initiative into your own hands, it is possible to transcend the barriers of race. Here I am sounding Rones'like lol. You can see for yourself the only thing holding you back. Rather than trying to be equal, you gave up when the burdens of what you believe got in your way. Forget the notions, don't listen to what you are told, and do your best. Then you don't have anyone but yourself to blame for your success. If you listen and believe in what others say, you've got a whole people to blame on your failure, and yourself for listening.

Ok, I'm done. I would be happy if people would just read this, then reply if my conclusions or feelings are jaded. Does anyone else hesitate when describing someone based on their color? Has anyone else noticed that some black people(here I am hesitating) feel they are not equal. Does anyone know black people that feel they should be owed something for what our(white people) ancestors did? I am just amazed at what social discussions uncover.

 

[Sneakypants]

There will always be different colored pieces of shit in the world.
...All different colors.

Some would like to blame their misfortune on anything but themselves, and some would like to take out their own issues on you and anyone else in their way.

Fuck em'. You can't control or change a piece of shit, no matter what color. Fuck em' if they're black. Fuck em' if they're white. Fucking em' if they're a cracker ass ****** gook wetback. A piece of shit is a piece of shit. If they try to make their problems, your problems...Fuck em'. They will not change. Their mind is made up.

You can debate, like you are, raising valid points and not coming at this with a "racist" POV. You're talking culture that just is, and you want to know why that is...Well it just is what it is. The problem isn't on your end, and unfortunately, you can't fix it either. At best, in a generation or two, you'll see the issue be mildly quelled.


People like their excuses though, even if it is slavery or something equally dated by today's culture. Be you. Stand up for you. And let that shit roll down hill...It will on its own. No need to even lift a finger or get a headache over it.

 

[Sneakypants]

Fucking em' if they're a cracker ass ****** gook wetback.

This is interesting...
The asterisks say , "N-I-G-G-E-R", but QCDN blocked it out. That's new.
Other racial slurs made it through just fine though. ^^

All Right!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Kurgon]

Some people need a reason that doesn't involve blaming themselves for failures. Yes racism exists. I have been a victim of it myself but oh well. Should I let it become a reason for me to half ass my way through life? "Oh poor me. Why even try when 'The Man' is just going to keep me down" There is reality and there is how it should be and I choose to deal with how things are.

Here are the facts. People want to distinguish themselves from the masses. Some do it with religion, many with money, others with education, others by race, location, percieved effort, looks, strength, clothes, jewelery, how they treat others, etc. All that self sense of value is all based on the moral priorities that particular person and those vary all across the board person to person. Just worry about those you love and let the rest of the crap slide.

Often getting mad about something only punishes yourself.

 

[Mishaela]

Anyone who plays the race card, wether on someone else or themself, just has nothing else better to say in their defense. Even worse when people play the "past" card. Hearing people talk about how their great-great grandparents were slaves or were bombed or fought in a war and were heroes or were inquisitioned or WHATEVER...if it doesn't involve you, it doesn't have anything to do with the situation at all. It's the worst form of offense/defense ever. It's like someone trying to pick a fight with you and you respond "OH YEAH?! WELL ABE LINCOLN GOT SHOT IN A THEATRE. OMGBURN'D"...Doesn't work that well.

And if I hear one more "You only gave me an F because I'm (insert race)" in class, I'm gonna scream..

 

[Trippyhippy]

I would agree with some of what you say. Mainly people oppressing theirself. However, I don't think skin color has a thing to do with it. The different kinds of culture you are surrounded by is what influnces your behavoir.

you don't have to have brown skin to be black anymore. Just like you don't have to have light skin to be white. It's a state of mind really. It all just depends on what culture you accept as your own.

Sure, there are people out there who can't see past the color of your skin, but they are far and few between these days. The way you present yourself actually matters these days.

If you go in a room, pants around yer knees, "Sportin" the fubu and the "Grill" talkin like Yusuke, yeah, people are gonna treat you like a ****** no matter what color your skin is.

Now if the same person walked in the same room, pair of jeans and a Tshirt, maybe a belt(around thier waste), "Hi, how ya doin?" people will not only think you are more intelligent, but they will also understand what the fuck you're saying cause you aren't talking in code or "Ebonics".

They way you are brought up will determine what culture you choose to embrace. And yes, there are many diferent types of culture every where you go. Just because you grew up in south compton doesn't mean you have to be an ignorant hood rat. Just because you grew up in Boston doesn't mean you have to be a snotty rich boy.

People decide there own place in the world these days. I tried to be many different things before I settled into just being me.

I'm typing this at work and the boss just came in. More later.

 

[Sneakypants]

My black boss here in corporate America once called me a cracker ass white boy because I didn't know good fried chicken.

I had to laugh in his face at the sweet irony of that.
He was using slurs towards me, in a work environment, as a manager, and arguing a point to me that I could care less about which happened to be something that stereotypes blacks to begin with.

I like fried chicken too, brother, but God DamN! lol


That's like me putting on the sterotyped geeky white boi voice and saying, "Hey there negro. Yo there spear chucker, let me tell you...You don't know the first thing about Legos, seeee????!!!!"

 

[Arctyrael]

That is precisely to a T how I feel about it Trippy. To a T.

Another gear grinder: EOE (Equal Opportunity Employer)

Simply put - load balancing, racial profiling... whatever you wanna call it.

Corporations don't want to get sued, so they hire the race they need the most. I know it happens too. There are people out there, white and black that will sue corporations based on their diversity, and not based on the merit by which they hired their employees. So many details to touch. I will hit those if the topic ebbs that way.

 

[Ronith]

This is interesting...
The asterisks say , "N-I-G-G-E-R", but QCDN blocked it out. That's new.
Other racial slurs made it through just fine though. ^^

All Right!!!!!!!!!!

I think that right there proved more than anything that we as a group are more afraid of offending blacks than anything or anyone else... it's sad honestly and Sculli if you see this I think you should change that... you need to have it set to block any all racial slurs not just N***er...

 

[Miros]

Well the cherry to top it off is all the laws we have against discrimination in work place. I'm more looking at hiring and being able to fire. If there's a black and a white person applying for the same job, have virtually the same credentials, the HR department will probably be more likely to hire the black person so they don't go screaming racism. Also on the same end, it's hard to fire a person who you think is doing poorly for fear of them going and crying racism.

Personally, racism, and all the hatred stuff is ass. Yes, I'm gay. People like me still. Why? I don't go around flicking my wrist, and talking about how I took it up the ass the night before. (This is irl remember...to those who talk to me in game) I know how to act in front of other people.

If there's one thing that I can't stand, it's bringing someone in to interview and having them wearing those doorag things and pants around their ankles. That's no way to succeed in this world. Now, they will probably start screaming that it's their "culture" but that's really no argument. That's just a way to keep thinking that you're better then other people.

This subject always pisses me off, cause racism will always stay if people continually say they are being oppressed.

Not to bring it off the race card, but a lot of gay people bug me with the parades sometime too. =p We just need to stop throwing the fact that we're different in front of other people's faces. If we stop, then people will *gasp* treat us normally!

Yeah...many gay people don't like me. Gogo conservatism. lmao

edit> Arc, bravo for you typing this, nice to see someone have the balls to speak on issues like this!

 

[totion]

i hope i don;t come off as racist. but i think equal oppurtunity is bullshit. say two people are applying for a job, one white, and one black. well the white guy is way qualified, but the black guys isn;t. the company doesn;t have enough blacks people working there, so they hire the black guy. thats dumb. i think you should hire the best person for the job, be it the white man or the black man. i mean, i would hire a black person over a white person because he is the better man for the job. and i also agree with whoever quoted about scholarships. they can;t have an all white scholarship, thats racist. but there are all black scholarships, and other scholarships for people of certain races. but not an only white scholarship. which means, other races have every oppurtunity to go for the same scholarships as whites, but they also have special ones just for themselves. its dumb. dumb as hell. but you knew that.

 

[Arctyrael]

I hope I don't come off as racist, but i think equal oppurtunity is bullshit. Say there are two people applying for a job - one white and one black. The white guy is way qualified, but the black guy isn't. The company doesn't have enough blacks people working there, so they hire the black guy. That's dumb. I think you should hire the best person for the job, be it the white man or the black man.
I mean, I would hire a black person over a white person because he is the better man for the job. I also agree with whoever quoted about scholarships. They can't have an all white scholarship, that's racist. However, there are all black scholarships and other scholarships for people of certain races. There are just not any only white scholarships. Meaning, other races have every oppurtunity to go for the same scholarships as whites, but they also have special ones just for themselves. It's dumb, dumb as hell, but you knew that.

Aye, it is. I'm sorry, I had to format the quote. I fully agree with this stance. If, perchance, one day I am rich enough, as well as irritated enough, I may found the first caucasian scholarship. There is only one problem with that. I would much rather see equal, than fair. Equal would be a total disregard for race in all aspects non-health related.

If it is harped daily that race is of no issue, why do applicants have to put race on anything other than insurance forms? If you are applying for a job, applying to go to college, wherever -- the option to mark race always remains. Even if response is optional, IT SHOULDN'T BE ON THERE AT ALL.

Also Miros, I agree with you. News reports are based on predominant beliefs. Right now, acceptance of gays/lesbians is not really what it should be. So obviously, the news media is going to be sure to point out some dumbfuck conservative gay basher, rather than promote understanding and acceptance. This isn't just a problem with this particular situation, but others as well.

 

[AxelXII]

There will always be different colored pieces of shit in the world.
...All different colors.

Some would like to blame their misfortune on anything but themselves, and some would like to take out their own issues on you and anyone else in their way.

Fuck em'. You can't control or change a piece of shit, no matter what color. Fuck em' if they're black. Fuck em' if they're white. Fucking em' if they're a cracker ass ****** gook wetback. A piece of shit is a piece of shit. If they try to make their problems, your problems...Fuck em'. They will not change. Their mind is made up.

You can debate, like you are, raising valid points and not coming at this with a "racist" POV. You're talking culture that just is, and you want to know why that is...Well it just is what it is. The problem isn't on your end, and unfortunately, you can't fix it either. At best, in a generation or two, you'll see the issue be mildly quelled.


People like their excuses though, even if it is slavery or something equally dated by today's culture. Be you. Stand up for you. And let that shit roll down hill...It will on its own. No need to even lift a finger or get a headache over it.

I love that, Sneaky. Finally...A GENIUS! Well said, friend, well said. :thumbsup:

 

[Inunabe]

But out of all of this you know what i think is rather entertaining? There was a census released last week saying that White people are now the minority int he US. (sorry i don't have the link it it was printed out by a co-worker)

But what stands out the most about the whole census, is that while saying that whites are now the minority race in the US it catergorized us as whites and everyone else. Now i don't know about the rest of you but that seems a little misguided. It's like comparing one breed of an animal against all the other breeds in that species and saying that the one breed is going extinct. Of course we fwiping are the minority if we're compared in tandem to every non white person in the US. So often it seems that almost everyone of another race in the US has convinced themselves that they are lesser then us. People complain about equal rights and like in the first post he said they oppress themselves well they are. It's blatantly obvious to me that so many of the those ethnic groups dont' want to be seen as equals just so they can get more out of the system.

I mean i'm planning on attending college this fall and i was doing a little bit of research and i found out that if i said i was black i could have all of my school for 4 years completely payed for through scholorships and grants specificaly for blacks. While if i get all the shcolarships that i applied for i'll only have maybe 1/4 of it payed for being white as i seem to be so unfortunate to be, lol.

But i still think that it's on the verge of racism of comparing all other races against whites in a census like that. If they had done it equally as they're supposed to they would have compared each individual race against all of the others in which whites would still be the majority. Plain and simple

 

[Mokk]

To me there are only two races of people:

The intelligent and the evolutionary dead ends.

You either fit in one group or the other, stupidity isn't discriminatory.

Give it another 20 years and you'll see the burial of political correctness, much like your alot of our first pets it's been dead for a minute now it's just that no one wants to tell the kids.

 

[Mornlithe]

Well said. by all that have replied to this post. Over the years, i've come to one conclusion.

We are all human.

now here's something to think about (srry, kinda off topic but the subject brought it to mind)

We've been around for at least 3000 years ("civilized" anyways) and we have yet to put our squabbles aside, and acually work together for a change. We've got how many different countries in this world? Almost all of them fighting eachother, either physically, monetarily, or politcally. Competing with eachother for resources (humans included) to try and outdo the other, when in my opinion, instead of competing to 'outdo' the next guy, why not work with this said 'next guy' and achieve something better than either of us could have accomplished alone?

Anyways, thanks for inspiring me to actually say this outloud in a public form.

-peace-

 

[Acutie]

We're all gonna be beige eventually so who gives a shit.

 

[Mokk]

Well said. by all that have replied to this post. Over the years, i've come to one conclusion.

We are all human.

now here's something to think about (srry, kinda off topic but the subject brought it to mind)

We've been around for at least 3000 years ("civilized" anyways) and we have yet to put our squabbles aside, and acually work together for a change. We've got how many different countries in this world? Almost all of them fighting eachother, either physically, monetarily, or politcally. Competing with eachother for resources (humans included) to try and outdo the other, when in my opinion, instead of competing to 'outdo' the next guy, why not work with this said 'next guy' and achieve something better than either of us could have accomplished alone?

Anyways, thanks for inspiring me to actually say this outloud in a public form.

-peace-

I'm all for loving your fellow man and peace on earth and all that ... so long as the fellow man near me isn't a dribbling pile of stupid but globalization and the like scares the hell out of me... does that make me cautious or ignorant?

 

[Vilmar]

I'm all for loving your fellow man and peace on earth and all that ... so long as the fellow man near me isn't a dribbling pile of stupid but globalization and the like scares the hell out of me... does that make me cautious or ignorant?

that makes you smart. and i agree with your earlier post mokk. if you are going to discriminate, it should be based on intelligence.

 

[Excim]

I made a post similar to this over a month ago, too bad it's decended into the depths of necro hood, but I think what I wanted to say got said.


In other news, I'm doing my part to make the world a better, non racist place. Without getting too graphic, I boffed a black girl the other night. And you know what? It felt exactly the same. :nyam: