DRGs are worthless said the blind man . . .

Strid said:
Dragoons are ok until the mid 40's then compaired to other DD jobs you lack horribly.. No gear can fix this DRG just are the bottom feeders of the DMG dealing pool.
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Hmmm... Ah...
DRGs are pretty good till lvl 60 IMO until the other jobs get more superior WS. The main thing about the lack of damage is just because of the pathetic Polearm WS :cry: No matter how much STR+ attack + you put in for the sake of WS... you still can't surpass Tachi: Gekko, rng's WS, Asuran Fist and DRK lvl 60+ WS.

That's the ONLY problem! We deal roughly the same DMG with Drks, Monks and Sam till their freaking WS (with wyvern a little over and without a little less)

The most i could get from Kirin is critical dmg 90 and wheeling trust 250. LOL!!!! That is sooo freaking rare.
 
From what I've seen Tachi;Gekko was weaker than Wheeling Thrust or about the same dmg. Maybe it just depends on the player sometimes >.>
 
Btw

Drk fun > All other job fun

So there :roll:
 
Davio said:
Late WSs such as wheeling thrust and Impulse Drive are amazingly weak. Even my 74 DRG friend tells me it is used only to start light.
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LOL. Yea... It is fucking embaressing those 2 WS. Without the update... Wheeling Trust can never... and I mean NEVER get more than 300-400. It was always in the 150-250 Zone...

However due to update... it is now 400-600. The most I got is err... 700-800... very rare lol. I got a heart attack dealing that lol.

SE "trying very hard" to help us DRG lol. Helping Wyvern to stay a bit longer with Spirit Link and Super Climb and the increase in wheeling trust dmg... It is still not enough. Lazy healers don't wanna assist when we do Spirit Links and again... our WS are pathetic lol.
 
The thing is DRG have more to offer than just damage, it is all in how they are utilized really. If you don't know what I'm talking about, head to Alla and check it out.
 
No really, MNK > all

If Xion was still playing, he would prolly take you meeze to ballista and spank you pretty hard =\.

Counterstance > all
 
Davio said:
No really, MNK > all

If Xion was still playing, he would prolly take you meeze to ballista and spank you pretty hard =\.

Counterstance > all
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xion is back fyi.....
 
Ibariba said:
Davio said:
No really, MNK > all

If Xion was still playing, he would prolly take you meeze to ballista and spank you pretty hard =\.

Counterstance > all
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xion is back fyi.....
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Yea i saw him in Boyahdo tree.

Helped me try and steal Aquarious back from Bluemelon who stole it from me =\.
 
Utilize what? I have been a lvl 75 DRG for a long time. And also a respectable one too (Well I hope XD)
I hope you will illustrate your point further cause I do not know what the hell you are saying.

If you dare talk about SJ whm and such... I think you are mad. I SJ War and Sam. With Sam i gain TP fast. Highest WS dmg based on my JP DRG friend is with SJ THF. I have also SJ whm accidentally in an exp pt. I think it was with Drewtaru... LOL sweet memories. When you do 2 hours, wyvern DOES NOT do Healing Breath. It either sits there doing nothing OR cast some removal spell that removes all sorts of bad buffs. *Drewtaru experience that before* Mages can debuff themselves. Wyvern not required. Healing Breath only activates IF your pt's health are red color! By that.. 1 AoE will wipe the pt and we wouldn't want that to happen!

The only thing ppl "utilize" us is maybe during ballista against ppl wearing Crimson. JPs will ask you to do "Ancient Circle" so that those with crimson will get intimidated.

Super Jump. Super Jump not only removes hate but it cancels out ones ability. To illustrate this, if a BLM or mob cast Magic on you. Their magic will be cancelled when you perform Super Jump.

Other than that.. NOTHING. Drgs are meant to do DD. Don't freaking perform some pathetic stunt and make me embaress with my own job. I will not read Alla as to me

EXPERIENCE SPEAKS LOUDER THAN MERE WORDS
 
Davio said:
No really, MNK > all

If Xion was still playing, he would prolly take you meeze to ballista and spank you pretty hard =\.

Counterstance > all
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Anyone can kick my ass at ballista, i'm waiting to do my first one now.

But ballista is off topic, this thread is about xp situations which is where my comment comes from.
 
I've been a 75 Dragoon for quite some time myself =/ and it doesn't matter what ls I go to, I hear these "Dragoons suck!" retorics everywhere.....

First of all, Dragoons are not worthless 65+ =/ you can ask many Dark Knights I partied with.... Not only did I gain TP twice as fast, but usually had no trouble turning the mob as well (if you want names, send me a pm). My place in partied consisted of having a warrior sub and standing opposite the tank. There are two instances for a skillchain - either you turn the mob and the thf does SC on the tank, or the tank whores the hate and the Thief does the sa/ta on the Dragoon. If the Thief does the SC on the Dragoon, then Super Jump will give the mob right back to the tank. I know it has a timer, but after sa/ta, the mob is usually nearly dead anyway. I only used Super Jump if the mob did not fall to the MB or if it still had a significant amount of life left so the ability was usually ready if I needed it. Wheeling Thrust -> Spinning Slash and Wheeling Thrust -> Shark Bite are two amazing light SCs =/

for another thing, sometimes our performance depends on the tank. I'm almost a 74 Paladin (I was a 67 PLD when I stopped to start my DRG and capped both it and WAR before taking PLD back up) and after playing Dragoon to 75, I learned that using "hate control" adds so much to a party =/ Are you mad because they have trouble turning a mob sometimes 65+? That's partially the tank's fault - Learn to control hate rather then whore it, then they will seem much more useful to you (yes, that means you have to actually pay attention and focus on how much hate you have and use some judgement, no insults intended or implications that you don't). I'm not saying that 65+, we're better then rangers, I'm just saying we have our uses, we aren't worthless. At 75, I have +62 Attack and +50ish Accuracy in gear..... Any job can be good if the right dedication is put into it - I wouldn't generalize :|

I've been able to see things from many different sides tho =/ and my opinions may not necessarily be those of anyone else reading this thread, but I heard something interesting from a friend of mine when I was still leveling DRG (a DRK friend at that, that kept inviting me to his parties). He told me that the way he sees it, Dragoons and Samurai are skillchainers whereas Dark Knights and Rangers are Damage Dealers. Since Samurais are the best at gaining TP, they are generalized above Dragoons so people look down on us even though we aren't worthless in the right setup. Most of this is just state of mind tho =/

By the way, whether or not the original story is true, it brought up an interesting topic =/

I don't know how many people I've helped as my dragoon in the past.....only to turn around and have them tell me dragoons are worthless and sickening right in front of me =/ it's sad, but I guess our lack of respect from other ppl gives us a great sense of respect for each other. I got a PM here on QCDN not long ago from a fellow Dragoon telling me that he thought he knew most 70+ dragoons, but had never seen me in game, and wanted to say hi and thanked me for being a model for upcoming Dragoons. Why can't we just have respect for one another like this? If this story is true, it just shows how low the morals of people playing has become, and it hardly gets better later on.
 
Kirayamato said:
Utilize what? I have been a lvl 75 DRG for a long time. And also a respectable one too (Well I hope XD)
I hope you will illustrate your point further cause I do not know what the hell you are saying.

If you dare talk about SJ whm and such... I think you are mad. I SJ War and Sam. With Sam i gain TP fast. Highest WS dmg based on my JP DRG friend is with SJ THF. I have also SJ whm accidentally in an exp pt. I think it was with Drewtaru... LOL sweet memories. When you do 2 hours, wyvern DOES NOT do Healing Breath. It either sits there doing nothing OR cast some removal spell that removes all sorts of bad buffs. *Drewtaru experience that before* Mages can debuff themselves. Wyvern not required. Healing Breath only activates IF your pt's health are red color! By that.. 1 AoE will wipe the pt and we wouldn't want that to happen!

The only thing ppl "utilize" us is maybe during ballista against ppl wearing Crimson. JPs will ask you to do "Ancient Circle" so that those with crimson will get intimidated.

Super Jump. Super Jump not only removes hate but it cancels out ones ability. To illustrate this, if a BLM or mob cast Magic on you. Their magic will be cancelled when you perform Super Jump.

Other than that.. NOTHING. Drgs are meant to do DD. Don't freaking perform some pathetic stunt and make me embaress with my own job. I will not read Alla as to me

EXPERIENCE SPEAKS LOUDER THAN MERE WORDS
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Sorry, but DRG is by far meant for DD. lvl 75 or no.......DRG is meant to be versitle. I do belive your descripiton of a drg/whm is the most inaccurate i've ever seen. DRG/WHM 60+ is actually very useful in a pty since I can shoot off a healing breath at 50% HP for very little MP. I've used DRG/WHM for a loooong time.

I have a lvl'd WAR, THF, and WHM sub. If anyone has any problems with what I say.....well, I guess you'll just have to deal with that. I have fun on the game and thats what matters. <Take care>
 
trizzip said:
Sorry, but DRG is by far meant for DD.
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Since i cant find the edit button, by that comment i actually meant to say DRG is by far not meant for just DD.
 
Cerescole said:
I got a PM here on QCDN not long ago from a fellow Dragoon telling me that he thought he knew most 70+ dragoons, but had never seen me in game, and wanted to say hi and thanked me for being a model for upcoming Dragoons. Why can't we just have respect for one another like this? If this story is true, it just shows how low the morals of people playing has become, and it hardly gets better later on.
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:D

I still don't get why people have a problem with Dragoons. Anyone who can get Dragoon to 75 deserves a lot more respect than some Ranger who thinks buying his way through 75 levels makes him almighty. We deserve some fucking respect for the numbers we put up, which half of you don't even understand. Very rarely am I outdamaged by anyone short of Black Mages and Rangers. And 60+, a Dark Knight is nothing without his Thief sub and someone to get rid of the hate for him. Who better to do this than a Dragoon? But no, people don't understand what we do. All they want are big flashy numbers that in the end, just don't add up to the power of what a Dragoon and his wyvern can do. If you are level 67, I dare you to party with me and parse a log of damage done. You will be suprised.
 
I think trizzip wants to be a summoner, not a DD but a healer even though he is not a WHM.
 
Actually Brin (Trizzip) hit the nail on the head, though he went a bit off course from what I was saying. While a DRG may not have the outright attack power that a DRK or a RNG have (which if you ask me is a shitty thing to compare DRG to anyhow), they do however have a versatility unlike most of the jobs.

Their subjob greatly changes their usefulness in battle, and in different circumstances. If you do'nt have a good healer, or a healer at all, a couple DRG/WHM can fill in that spot easily, even keep up with chains if they bring drinks. Or perhaps you want the best of both worlds, and sub NIN. This will give you the combonation wyvern, giving you both attack Breath and healing breath (though both are somewhat nerfed, HB only kicking in at 1/4 health pre AF helm, and I believe 1/3 health afterwards). Of course then you have the normal attack subs that will give you the normal breath attacks and all that jazz.

As well as this, and as many people overlook, Super Jump is probably the best tool when you have a THF in the party. While the DRG himself isn't doing a great deal of damage, superjump will allow for quite a bit of extra damage to be tacked in from SATA's. Not to mention they save healer MP because they do not pull hate very often. Perhaps many of you still go by the mentality that a DD job sucks if it can't pull hate, that is your opinion. But the fact of the matter is that DRG goes beyond normal DD jobs, allowing for much versatility, and able to cater to almost every need of a party. Factoring in the damage that they allow others to do (THF's) and the MP they save the healers (for more exp chains) and the versatility they present (in the event that your party is lacking something, and the DRG can fill that spot) you have yourselves a job that is more than effective post-60, despite popular belief.
 
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