"Dumbledore is gay," states J.K. Rowling.

If you'd read the article, some idiot point blank asked her if Dumbledore had true love in his life. She answered the question she was asked based on the character she knows better than anyone. I'm sure she didn't ask for the reporters to take it and run with it out of everything else that was discussed, but you know the media. Stop the presses; Dumbledore wasn't hetero! Seriously, it seems to me that she isn't the one making a big deal out of this.
Because it's a useless point to make after he's already been killed off. "Oh yes, I killed off this big important character. By the way, he was gay." That's great, doesn't change jack about the story though.
Of course, she isn't making a big deal out of it. It's new outlets like CNN that are making a big deal out of nothing. HP fans are pushing that this is a giant leap forward for gay rights, conservative Christians are screaming that this is more of a reason that Harry Potter books are unchristian. Oh noes, Harry Potter is unchristian! Even now more than it ever was!
I blame a slow news day.
 
Because it's a useless point to make after he's already been killed off. "Oh yes, I killed off this big important character. By the way, he was gay." That's great, doesn't change jack about the story though.

Any other possible answer to the question that was posed to J.K. Rowling, however, would have been equally irrelevant to the story. She was asked, "Did Dumbledore ever know true love?" If she had said,

"Why, yes! Back in 1956, he had a passionate affair with Ms. YaddaYadda..."

There wouldn't have been any "news" behind it, yes, but I also think nobody would have grumpily insisted that it "doesn't really matter." Of course, to the mainstream Potter books, it doesn't matter. To the Potter Universe as a whole, however, and anything that may yet spring from it, the background tidbit is worth a great deal.
 
Fanfiction writers now have an entirely new world to go on with!

Dumbledore x Snape
Dumbledore x Harry
Dumbledore x Ron
Dumbledore x Voldamort (this is probably why Dumbledore is the only person Voldamort feared)
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"He sexually harassed me when I was 14 ... I will never forget that. He also said he'll let everyone know I have a small penis if I ever faced him in a duel ... I can't bear to let anyone know that!!! I will avoid encounter with him where possible ... !"

EDIT: Just a bit more to add, after this revelation, Voldamort goes on a killing spree/murders people/join Darkside, etc, to prove his penis size. Oh, and Dumbledore is now officially a pedo.
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Fanfiction writers now have an entirely new world to go on with!

Dumbledore x Snape
Dumbledore x Harry
Dumbledore x Ron
Dumbledore x Voldamort (this is probably why Dumbledore is the only person Voldamort feared)


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Harry? Ron?! O_O That would be scary porn. xD
 
If Dumbledore was gay, I'm guessing he was in the closet or all those wizarding parents would've had one more stupid reason to pull their kids from Hogwarts over the course of the series.
 
If Dumbledore was gay, I'm guessing he was in the closet or all those wizarding parents would've had one more stupid reason to pull their kids from Hogwarts over the course of the series.

It's a certainty that Cornelius Fudge would've fired his ass at the first hint of it, I'm sure.
 
There wouldn't have been any "news" behind it, yes, but I also think nobody would have grumpily insisted that it "doesn't really matter."

Nobody would've insisted it doesn't matter because nobody would've felt the need.

Look at J.R.R. Tolkien, who was dismissive of the idea that The Lord of the Rings was a mythological retelling of World War II. His dislike of allegory doesn't really mean those interpretations are wrong. Literature can have meanings beyond an author's intent, and I don't believe the author carries the trump card when it comes to deciding what it means.

So when Rowling says "Dumbledore is gay," I respond with "That's one way of looking at it" because there's nothing in the books to support her interpretation that his character is gay.

The closest thing we have so far is her example of taking editorial control to remove a line from one of the screenplays which would indicate Dumbledore is hetero. The films and movies are not the same (ask any Potter fan), so that example doesn't really help. Even if it applied, removing the line isn't a positive statement of his being gay; it's just removing confirmation that he's straight and leaving it all nice and hazy.
 
The Death of the Author - Roland Barthes.
 
The Death of the Author - Roland Barthes.

Since you gave no context for that:

Wikipedia said:
"Death of the Author" (1967) is an essay by the French literary critic Roland Barthes that was first published in the American journal Aspen. The essay later appeared in an anthology of his essays, Image-Music-Text (1977), a book that also included "From Work To Text". It argues against incorporating the intentions and biographical context of an author in an interpretation of text; writing and creator are unrelated.

In his essay, Barthes criticizes the reader's tendency to consider aspects of the author’s identity—his political views, historical context, religion, ethnicity, psychology, or other biographical or personal attributes—to distill meaning from his work. In this critical schematic, the experiences and biases of the author serve as its definitive “explanation.” For Barthes, this is a tidy, convenient method of reading and is sloppy and flawed: “To give a text an Author” and assign a single, corresponding interpretation to it “is to impose a limit on that text.” Readers must separate a literary work from its creator in order to liberate it from interpretive tyranny (a notion similar to Erich Auerbach’s discussion of narrative tyranny in Biblical parables), for each piece of writing contains multiple layers and meanings. In a famous quotation, Barthes draws an analogy between text and textiles, declaring that a “text is a tissue [or fabric] of quotations,” drawn from “innumerable centers of culture,” rather than from one, individual experience. The essential meaning of a work depends on the impressions of the reader, rather than the “passions” or “tastes” of the writer; “a text’s unity lies not in its origins,” or its creator, “but in its destination,” or its audience.
 
I'm sorry if someone posted this already. But I think JKR had the cojones to say that just because she ended the books.

I would have dared her to make this revelation in 2003...
 
The Death of the Author - Roland Barthes.

Barthes was full of pretentious shit in my opinion. You don't have a story without the author and the author's molding of the characters. To think you could remove the author and his/her personal nuances on each character is impossible. It's what makes one style of writing different from the next and it's what makes most people follow an author's work. It's like suggesting the work comes from thin air.
 
Bravo? Not really. It would've been "bravo" if she'd actually indicated that in the books, where it might have affected her money. If this article is true, then she's turning Dumbledore into a safe and sexless old queen, a Larry Craig wannabe who couldn't even hit the bathrooms looking for sex because Moaning Myrtle would start crying.

She dealt with complex themes of life and death, order and chaos, rebellion and conformity, so I have a hard time believing she couldn't have found ways to work in age-appropriate suggestions that Dumbledore was gay.

I award her house a few points for saying it now, but have to deduct even more for being completely irrelevant to the work.

I think it's just a meaningless gesture to state it after the fact. Really, anything not included in a series' main canon is an irrelevant fact. If it's not down on the print it's nothing but random thoughts rolling around in the author's brain.

If you're gonna make a character gay, make em gay in the book. Of course, if she felt it was such a minor detail it didn't warrant the page-time, I don't know why anyone should make a deal of it.
 
Barthes was full of pretentious shit in my opinion. You don't have a story without the author and the author's molding of the characters. To think you could remove the author and his/her personal nuances on each character is impossible. It's what makes one style of writing different from the next and it's what makes most people follow an author's work. It's like suggesting the work comes from thin air.

Not to mention the fact that Barthes was basically snobbing it up by insisting that readers need not exhibit any pretense by trying to over-analyze a written work "behind the work's back," where there is no "official word" on the subject written into the piece BY the author. Look at the name of the essay. It was giving the text absolute authority, yes, but not so far as to completely dodge what an author has OUTRIGHT said about it.

It's important to to note that J.K. Rowling injected this tidbit about Dumbledore into her readers' minds HERSELF. Let's not make the mistake of bringing her down to the level of a common, overzealous, fan. This isn't merely a bit of background information regarding her political views, which runs the risk of "tainting" our interpretation of her work. It's a direct statement (from the horse's mouth) about the story. She is the CREATOR of the character, the CREATOR of the world, and the AUTHOR (very much alive) of the books. She is the ultimate authority on the subject, and therefore, is immune to any criticism that her "personal" interpretation of the text is limiting. There is no feeble stretching for "unofficial" meaning, here.

Whether or not you buy into Roland's argument, the critical method he proposed doesn't really apply to this situation, as it isn't left up to vague interpretation any longer.



As for what makes something "canon," Firestreak ... you're clinging to a stubbornly restrictive definition of the word, and it's one that's not shared by the majority of fans of "modern-day" fiction.

In series that have numerous "expanded universes" and multiple writers (Star Trek and Star Wars being prime examples), what can and cannot be considered canonical does indeed get to be a bit hazy. If all known "official" written works are by the same writer, however, and if that creator is still living, his/her word IS canon. For example: anything Robert Jordan said in interviews up until the point of his death about The Wheel of Time (i.e., it doesn't matter if he managed to get around to writing it) is considered canon, both by the publisher (Tor) and by the fanbase. Nobody's going to argue with George Lucas about Star Wars, or George R.R. Martin about A Song of Ice and Fire ... likewise, you'd be a bloody fool to shout back in J. K. Rowling's face, "Nuh uh!" when she's trying to tell you something about Albus Dumbledore.

There's always that final phase at the end of a great Storyteller's saga, in which his rapt audience hammers the Sage with questions -- the "But what happened to 'Yadda-yadda'" phase. That's all J.K. Rowling was responding to -- once again, she called no press conference, and made no press release. It was an answer to question.
 
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I would agree, Wink. But the manner in which Rowling expressed the issue, indicates that she might be leaving room for interpretation. She said she "always thought" Dumbledore was gay, not "Dumbledore is gay". In this instance she is placing herself not as omnipotent "author" or "creator" (such a position would proffer the knowledge of Dumbledore's sexuality with a greater degree of certainty) but as observer of the world in which her characters live. Now, I may be arguing semantics, or Rowling may simple be playing coy, but I seriously think she was more suggesting the possibility not stating that everyone should adopt this new reading.

I don't wholeheartedly agree with Barthes either, and also find his work to be somewhat pretentious... But I also believe its naive to think that an author's "message" or intent can be extracted from a text in it's complete state. We as readers, with different life experiences, different social, political, historical contexts to that of the author cannot possibly interpret every symbol, sign or trope in a manner predetermined by the author. Once your text (or moreover, any work of art) is released into the world, you effectively lose any authority over it's "official" meaning because you have no control over the reactions it will elicit. Sure, it's interesting to have their opinion of the work but I won't go and automatically disregard everything that I personally drew from it because that, I think, would limit it slightly as a vehicle of art.

As for Dumbledore's sexuality, I like to think the romantic relationship with Grindelwald is intriguing. Other people may not, but Rowling can hardly go around telling people they are wrong.
 
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How else do you get more people interested in a charecter that is dead?

Now all the gay people are probably buying up the books to read about Dumbledor.

There's a Paris Hilton in everyone.
 
How else do you get more people interested in a charecter that is dead?

Now all the gay people are probably buying up the books to read about Dumbledor.

There's a Paris Hilton in everyone.

Do you ever post in a manner which isn't sarcastic/acerbic/offensive?

Oh, and you can't spell.
 
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