Ecphoria Ring: Cure Amnesia?

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What does Cure Amnesia do? tried reading up on Alla and KillingIfrit but no info :X

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it cures...amnesia?

amnesia is a move used by several types of mobs (the most interesting of those is imps, which many people exp/merit on)

amnesia renders you unable to use job abilities or weapon skills
 
You're looking on Alla and KillingIfrit, there's your problem.

Imps in Caedarva mire (Or anywhere you might find them) use "Abrasive Tantra" which inflicts Amnesia on you, where you can't use job abilities, weapon skills or pet commands.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Amnesia

A few other mobs use Amnesia abilities as well, and the Ecphoria ring removes it.
 
A lottery spawn which is camped to hell at the moment.
It's minimum is 1hr, so I'd set an average of 1.5hrs per spawn just to be silly.
Even if the drop rate isn't 100%, I'd still say that within a month or two the number of people camping it will drop considerably.
 
Xalioniaf said:
A lottery spawn which is camped to hell at the moment.
It's minimum is 1hr, so I'd set an average of 1.5hrs per spawn just to be silly.
Even if the drop rate isn't 100%, I'd still say that within a month or two the number of people camping it will drop considerably.
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As will the price of the ring.
 
Tim Wakefield said:
As will the price of the ring.
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I wouldn't even bother buying it. It's spawn rate is very fast compared to others, and it's an extremely easy mob.
 
It's useful for high delay /sam jobs.
using the ring sacrifices 1 acc from a sniper in exhange for being able to wear PCC instead of chiv chain.
(i'm referrring to war/sam)
 
Xalioniaf said:
I wouldn't even bother buying it. It's spawn rate is very fast compared to others, and it's an extremely easy mob.
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Same spawn rate as Mee Deggi, but O kote are still 670k.

It's also a pretty sweet ring for samruai's even without the enchantment. Almost the accuracy of a sniper, and some more store TP so you might be able to take off hachiman feet and maintain a 6-hit build.
 
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Bajaratt said:
Same spawn rate as Mee Deggi, but O kote are still 670k.
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And the only alternative to O kote isnt till lv 73 from an HNM or AF+1
 
AF+1 is only an alternative for idiots(except for weapon skills, but even then they're shit for monks), Relics are decent enough alternatives though. This one doesn't have any replacements, since nothing else removes amnesia, so it's value should stay pretty high.

My point was in response to him saying it's not worth buying because it's such a quick pop; when other mobs with the same spawn conditions have very valuable loot. And yes, I know Mee Deggi drops rare/ex kote now, but O. Kote were never below 300k, even when he only spawned on the platform.
 
Bajaratt said:
Same spawn rate as Mee Deggi, but O kote are still 670k.
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Thats a horrible comparison.

O kote offer a r/ex version and a non-r/ex version. The price will stay high because the people who don't feel like camping it can buy it. Also, the drop rate on Mee Deggi seems to be far far worse than on this NM from what I understand.


Apples. Oranges. Etc.
 
Tim Wakefield said:
Thats a horrible comparison.

O kote offer a r/ex version and a non-r/ex version. The price will stay high because the people who don't feel like camping it can buy it. Also, the drop rate on Mee Deggi seems to be far far worse than on this NM from what I understand.


Apples. Oranges. Etc.
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If you read my second post, you'd see that it's not a horrible comparison. Before there was a rare/ex version, the kote were still really expensive; hell back when I first started about 4 years ago they were around 500k.

As far as the price staying high because people would rather buy than camp, the same can easily be said for this ring too. Drop rate is pretty irrelevant, since some people are still going to buy rather than camp.
 
Bajaratt said:
AF+1 is only an alternative for idiots(except for weapon skills, but even then they're shit for monks), Relics are decent enough alternatives though. This one doesn't have any replacements, since nothing else removes amnesia, so it's value should stay pretty high.

My point was in response to him saying it's not worth buying because it's such a quick pop; when other mobs with the same spawn conditions have very valuable loot. And yes, I know Mee Deggi drops rare/ex kote now, but O. Kote were never below 300k, even when he only spawned on the platform.
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Stop putting words in other people's mouths in an attempt to make yourself correct.
First of all I said a lv 73 Hnm drop OR af+1 as a start. Secondly if the af+1 is shit then obviously the alternative I refer to would be the bando kotes.
Thirdly i didnt ever specify if i meant during the TP phase or ws OR say that it was mnk only (each of which you randomly seem to have assumed at some point)
Amnesia removal wont do much considering it's high recharge time and the fact that imps are the only things currently that people even exp on that gives amnesia. What exactly is amnesia removal every 5 minutes going to do against amnesia every 30 seconds?

not only that but you even missed the point of what i was saying in my previous quote.
O kote had NOTHING that could be compared to it and still esssentially doesnt have an equal until the 70s.
Comparing a peice of gear unmatched for almost 40 levels that still is used afterwards to a peice of gear that starts off WEAKER than the alternatives in a game where slight increases pump the value of an item up by thousands if not millions of gil is just a horrid analogy.

The ring for all intents and purposes is weaker than all the alternatives outside of it's "1 storetp to remove chiv chain for pcc or for those without brutal" niche. if you've noticed anything in this game the weaker piece of gear no matter how little the difference is drops in value exponentially. If you has used the o kote analogy with an atk+22 kote at lv 34 in existence for mnk/sam/nin this would be a different story.

To put it simply. Do you see people paying top dollar for psilos mantles anywhere?
 
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Khajit said:
Stop putting words in other people's mouths in an attempt to make yourself correct.

First of all I said a lv 73 Hnm drop OR af+1 as a start. Secondly if the af+1 is shit then obviously the alternative I refer to would be the bando kotes.
Thirdly i didnt ever specify if i meant during the TP phase or ws OR say that it was mnk only (each of which you randomly seem to have assumed at some point)
Amnesia removal wont do much considering it's high recharge time and the fact that imps are the only things currently that people even exp on that gives amnesia. What exactly is amnesia removal every 5 minutes going to do against amnesia every 30 seconds?
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I honestly hope you only meant for weapon skills, because it'd be very stupid to melee in myochin+1, Ninja +1 or temple +1. You were obviously referencing Bandomusha kote(since those would be the only direct alternatives for TPing), although Dusk gloves are still better for the +haste. I'm sorry for giving you the benefit of the doubt and thinking you were only talking about TPing, and not full-time use. Next time, I'll think you're a complete idiot for wearing O kote for both TPing and WSing for all 3 jobs that can use them.

Can the ring only be used in exp now? There are NM's out there that can cause amnesia and they don't spam it like imps do. Even against Imps, it's not the only move they do. You should stop putting words in other people's mouths in an attempt to make yourself correct.

not only that but you even missed the point of what i was saying in my previous quote.
O kote had NOTHING that could be compared to it and still esssentially doesnt have an equal until the 70s.
Comparing a peice of gear unmatched for almost 40 levels that still is used afterwards to a peice of gear that starts off WEAKER than the alternatives in a game where slight increases pump the value of an item up by thousands if not millions of gil is just a horrid analogy.
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No, I got it, O kote are great and remain the best until a really high level. It's still completely irrelevant, since the entire fucking point was the spawn conditions of the NM that drops it and the fact that the drop was still expensive. He said they'd be cheap because the NM spawns every hour, when other NM's with 1 hour timers had drops that sold for a lot of gil. Whether or not it's the greatest thing since sliced bread is entirely meaningless to the discussion, because it was ALL about the spawn conditions of the mob. It's only a horrible analogy when you completely miss the point of the analogy.
 
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Bajaratt said:
Drop rate is pretty irrelevant, since some people are still going to buy rather than camp.
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Drop rate is the most relevant part of the whole argument, because if this NM is shitting out 12 of these a day, undercutters are gonna have a field day on a flooded market (See: Jacaranda Log)
 
Khajit said:
putting words into my mouth yet again and your analagy is still completely offbase. if you honestly and truly happen to be trying to prove that 1h NM will have 300k+ value drops then the following must be an untapped goldmine amirite?
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Serpopard_Ishtar
or how about this?
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Spiny_Spipi
Face it. you made a bad analogy.
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Wow, referencing completely useless items to show that some hourly spawned NM's drop worthless shit. Yeah, you totally showed me!

The ring is actually useful, it's not by far the best option like O kote are; but hey, it's still actually worth putting on. Even without the amnesia removal, it's still not a bad ring.

You're the one putting words into someone else's mouth. I never said the ring was great, just that it might be a good ring for samurai's; you're the only one acting like I said it's just as good as O. kote are. It's not, but it's still worth some money. I also never said that every 1 hour NM has expensive drops, only that there are those out there that do.

Face it, you completely missed the point of the analogy and now you're just arguing baselessly trying to find a valid point.
 
is drop rate the same as o. kote?

i know this wasn't the key comparison here but I heard it was a high drop rate correct? Then the price should be lower sooner or later
 
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