Empress Hairpin help please!

TigerBlueMak

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So I've been camping empress hairpin and I'm doing a terrible job so far. Night A- 2 hours of camping waaay too many people there but I wanted to see Valkrum emperor and see where people were killing Damselflys so I stuck around unfortunately I didn't see it and every single damselfly was immediately killed in like 20 different places... I learned basically nothing (Saturday evening I shoulda known better).

Night B- 5-6 hours of camping just me and one other guy (who I met the night before because he was camping it then too), nice I'm not so sure if he was trying to trick me or whatever with his advices but again I didn't see the Valkrum Emperor and I was killing every fly in a two block radius (a third player would come in once in a while for like 2 of the hours). I know there are four placeholders so I tried different combinations but flys wander in and out of the area like it's their job. Tried killing nearest the beach, to the left of the beach in that sort of cul-de-sac away from selbina, around the palm tree sort of mini oasises, north of there in the open dunes, and finally up on the hill above there. I've read multiple sites and they say pops every hour, gotta kill placeholders. The guy camping it said every two hours. The posts on most of those sites are pretty old so who knows maybe it is 2 hours.

What I want to know are some truths about this thing that people have found. How often does it pop nowadays? How do you make it pop? If you dont kill the placeholders will it still pop? Do all four placeholders have to be dead at once for it to pop? If you only kill placeholder "A" let's say, does that mean it will pop in that spot when its time and that I dont have to worry about killing the other one when I'm alone in the area? Where are the 4 placeholders located (be very descriptive here)? Is there a way to tell which damselflys are placeholders? ahhhhhhhhh.... help! lol. Thanks to anyone who helps I cant wait till I figure it out then go like 0/20 on it.
 
I don't know the specifics, but on Friday night myself and Xean went to camp VE. Within about 20 minutes of getting there and killing the PH (at least from what we heard the PH was the top fly in the group of 4 flies that are always in the center near the trees). In the end VE spawned a total of 4 times from 7pm -12:20am.

The thing that likely allowed it to spawn so many times is the fact that that PH was killed immediately when it would spawn, either by myself and Xean or by the other campers. Based on what happened, it would spawn from 30-60 minutes.

My best suggestion is to camp it when there are few others camping, and if you can get a partner to help you out, that'll probably make things a lot easier and less stressful because you can cover two areas.
 
I don't camp against others because I can't stand CCing people at money NMs but I agree with Zer
 
4 times in 5 hours is pretty crazy for VE unless they changed the spawn mechanics.
Camped it twice, saw it twice, claimed it once. Camped as a thief, saw once as a thief when it popped clear across the area and got taken immediately, and claimed once...as a random L19 in a powerleveled party thinking we might have a shot at it. It spawned right on the beach. Go figure.

I would still say that it's easier to buy an emp pin than it is to take the time to camp it. It has to pop. You have to be close or someone else will take it. Then it might not drop. You could have webfarmed your way to two in the meantime. The thing spawns where it wants, when it wants, and people are still cashing out their emp pins for r/e empress in massive numbers. It'll usually be camped by someone, and they are almost always part of that old dead guard of NM money hunters who just stand there spamming widescan.
 
I have camped this many times, and have gotten the Empress pin many times. The best thing to do is go Thf/Bst, wide scan flee, charm for claim and Kill.
 
mugenteg said:
I have camped this many times, and have gotten the Empress pin many times. The best thing to do is go Thf/Bst, wide scan flee, charm for claim and Kill.


Thf/Bst is only good for Leaping Lizzy as she spawns in one block.

VE can spawn in 2 blocks, Ranger sub is a must.

Edit* Tymon how the hell is VE a money NM? The only way VE could be considered a money NM now is if you have a normal Emperor hairpin to sell when you get an empress...
 
Farming would likely take a loooong time unless of course you have a craft, or a lvl that allows for really fast and easy farming of expensive items.

My view was that I was not going to spend my time making 3mil for a pin when I could camp and get the item. Sure enough, I was able to dedicate a full night and ended up getting the drop on the second claim (thanks to Xean ^^). Previously I had camped it but never stayed more than an hour because so many campers would show up I didn't want to bother.

While you could go and spend a few weeks farming your butt off to come up with the gil for this, you can also try chosing a night when there are few campers and spend a good few hours there and it might just pay off. :)

As for the spawn times, I have tried camping it another time for about 1-2 hours and nothing spawned, but then again I don't think the PH was being killed as quickly.

(also agree with Vang on the /RNG)
 
If you have /bst you need the bst to be at least level 20. once bst is level 20 it gets a widescan upgrade that makes it as high as a lv 1 rng widescan making thf/bst good for camping ve.
 
vang said:
Thf/Bst is only good for Leaping Lizzy as she spawns in one block.

VE can spawn in 2 blocks, Ranger sub is a must.

You are right, I have just gotten lucky with thf/bst set up and use it when ever a friend request my help camping it.


TigerBlueMak: search other FFXI sites, there are tips on how to spot the PH on the WS list.
 
I've seen both LL and VE pop within 5 mins of the last one being killed. It's weird now after the R/EX update. Just always be ready to attempt a claim and you should be fine.
 
I've seen LL in 25, but VE is a pain in the ass. Again, you have to weigh cost versus benefit. IMO VE has never been logistically worth camping, and R/E status has not overcome the negatives because of so many people cashing in that sellable for a rare/ex (read-people are still camping the crap out of that bug).

If you farm for it you can always sell it and will always have the item plus the tangible effort you took to get that item. If you get the rare/ex, all that effort it takes to earn the Epin is lost, forever, and can't be converted to anything else.

I would go r/e on LL. LL is worth it. I would on Argus, barely, but that's entirely dependent on your playstyle and schedule whether it's worth buying or camping. I would not go rare/ex on VE. VE is not worth camping and never has been. It has always been easier to buy than camp.
 
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vang said:
Thf/Bst is only good for Leaping Lizzy as she spawns in one block.

VE can spawn in 2 blocks, Ranger sub is a must.

Edit* Tymon how the hell is VE a money NM? The only way VE could be considered a money NM now is if you have a normal Emperor hairpin to sell when you get an empress...
Is the wide scan on rng greater than bst? If it's not, or if it's not that much bigger, what would be the advantage of subbing rng over bst?
 
Peregrine said:
I've seen LL in 25, but VE is a pain in the ass. Again, you have to weigh cost versus benefit. IMO VE has never been logistically worth camping, and R/E status has not overcome the negatives because of so many people cashing in that sellable for a rare/ex (read-people are still camping the crap out of that bug).

If you farm for it you can always sell it and will always have the item plus the tangible effort you took to get that item. If you get the rare/ex, all that effort it takes to earn the Epin is lost, forever, and can't be converted to anything else.

I would go r/e on LL. LL is worth it. I would on Argus, barely, but that's entirely dependent on your playstyle and schedule whether it's worth buying or camping. I would not go rare/ex on VE. VE is not worth camping and never has been. It has always been easier to buy than camp.

Yea I agree, the time it takes to camp VE is alot, and the drop is poor. Much easier to farm the gil to just by the blasted thing.

And Bajaratt, yes RNG has a bit larger of a widescan radius, or it did at least. They may have changed it.
 
Bajaratt said:
Is the wide scan on rng greater than bst? If it's not, or if it's not that much bigger, what would be the advantage of subbing rng over bst?
BST widescan at level 30 is the same as RNG at level 1
They both get bigger at the same rate, RNG just starts larger.
And i'm not sure whats up with all this VE stuff. i'm 3/3 for claims and drops since R/EX patch, and he's always spawned within 30 minutes for me. 75RNG/37THF=Awsome for small time NMs.
 
Marajade said:
BST widescan at level 30 is the same as RNG at level 1
They both get bigger at the same rate, RNG just starts larger.
Ah, didn't have much experience with either of them or wide scan, thanks.
 
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