End-game questions

No ones attacking you. I think he was just asking if you were in endgame. Try to calm down a bit.

Ok ok sorry. i'm just trying to be nice and all . and when i post something someone come and attack me ._.

AV was killed in another servers too a lot of times. I dont think that Millennium is the best Linkshell ever. I think they killed it when it was "Killable".I saw a few Linshells website with AV kill screenshoot too. But now tell me who has killed the Actual AV and i'll Lick his/her boots .
 
I don't know much about this game, so i wouldn't know what linkshell is the best on our server.

It seems to me that Millennium is the best among all the servers, since they did kill legit AV first.

They weren't the first as everyone has said. I believe Kaizen has pictures posted on their website of downing AV before SE broke him. Kaizen is an endgame shell on our server. I think they're a JP/NA mixed shell I maybe mistaken as I am not a member. If they aren't then they maybe one of the top endgame shells. Although with there being different kinds of endgame some only doing one branch of it you can't really say who is the best of the best. I could say the shells I run with are the best where as someone like Rappa could say Kaizen is the best. It's a question based off of bias.
 
They weren't the first as everyone has said. I believe Kaizen has pictures posted on their website of downing AV before SE broke him. Kaizen is an endgame shell on our server. I think they're a JP/NA mixed shell I maybe mistaken as I am not a member. If they aren't then they maybe one of the top endgame shells. Although with there being different kinds of endgame some only doing one branch of it you can't really say who is the best of the best. I could say the shells I run with are the best where as someone like Rappa could say Kaizen is the best. It's a question based off of bias.

best post ever

Well gee thanks Deth.
 
There are multiple LSs there btw. The beginning of the video is an ls called Summit, and AV was killed with the help of 2 jp ls's; Duckn and Yume.
 
There are multiple LSs there btw. The beginning of the video is an ls called Summit, and AV was killed with the help of 2 jp ls's; Duckn and Yume.

So they CFH'd AV? That is lame...
 
No, you can look at the video. At the end, its purple.

So they essentially took turns beating it down then? The quality of the video sucked for me in both modes but I could still see what was going on.
 
Probably not. There was most likely 3-4 main groups, the main alliance that was killing AV, an outside healing pt for the main alliances tanks, a party/alliance for the pets, and than extra people they would sub into each group as needed for hate reset and deaths.

Most groups that did kill AV were 40~50 members, some went in with even 80 or so when it first came out and CFHed it and tried to zerg it.... Most of these efforts consisted of multiple shells.

As for QCDN's endgame scene... there are shells, NA and JP alike, that have taken down everything except AV at least once, so if you are measuring skill/quality of a linkshell by kills alone, there are quite a few decent options. Activity level, member compatibility, and which area of endgame the group focuses on, I think, are probably very important and personal factors to consider though. Also, the distribution systems vary a lot, and are generally quite different from WOW's (as there are few instances, and people can have multiple jobs) so... researching those would be good to do too.

oh, and a few corrections.

There is one group on this server that did kill AV, they are/were (maybe not together anymore?) a Japanese Dynamis LS. Don't remember the name :(

And... in response to some of Romps post :D Kaizen has not killed AV, it never popped for us before the wall and Wynav tricks were fixed. Also, we are a mixed shell... EU/Asia/NA/SA/Australia... everything.
 
Probably not. There was most likely 3-4 main groups, the main alliance that was killing AV, an outside healing pt for the main alliances tanks, a party/alliance for the pets, and than extra people they would sub into each group as needed for hate reset and deaths.

Most groups that did kill AV were 40~50 members, some went in with even 80 or so when it first came out and CFHed it and tried to zerg it.... Most of these efforts consisted of multiple shells.

As for QCDN's endgame scene... there are shells, NA and JP alike, that have taken down everything except AV at least once, so if you are measuring skill/quality of a linkshell by kills alone, there are quite a few decent options. Activity level, member compatibility, and which area of endgame the group focuses on, I think, are probably very important and personal factors to consider though. Also, the distribution systems vary a lot, and are generally quite different from WOW's (as there are few instances, and people can have multiple jobs) so... researching those would be good to do too.

oh, and a few corrections.

There is one group on this server that did kill AV, they are/were (maybe not together anymore?) a Japanese Dynamis LS. Don't remember the name :(

And... in response to some of Romps post :D Kaizen has not killed AV, it never popped for us before the wall and Wynav tricks were fixed. Also, we are a mixed shell... EU/Asia/NA/SA/Australia... everything.

I figured you mixed, but didn't want to say you were because I have only seen NA people with Kaizen on because of time differences. I thought I heard that Kaizen downed AV before, but eh guess some rumors aren't true even though you kind of wish they were because it shows that our server is awesome and owned the hardest god in game.

Are you thinking of QuestFantasy that took down AV? Maybe that was the shell that you thought of that down AV would probably be them because they have Rooi in full kaiser excaliber and I think he even has an Aegis. I know he has full kaiser and Exi complete.
 
No, QF is Lucifar's shell, I know them quite well (though not really on good terms lol..) . The group that took him down was a Dynamis shell, and it was really really quite. We only found out b/c one of their members was bazzaring and had an AV drop on. We asked which LS they belonged to, and they told us the name and that it was a dynamis shell, and they did it just for kicks (to see if they could).

Thing is, this conversation was like a year ago at least. So, i don't really remember all the details :p Maybe someone else can fill in the blanks. AV was taken down when the wall trick still worked for Quetz, so kaiser and whatnot don't really matter all that much :o The wall was their tank :p
 
No, QF is Lucifar's shell, I know them quite well (though not really on good terms lol..) . The group that took him down was a Dynamis shell, and it was really really quite. We only found out b/c one of their members was bazzaring and had an AV drop on. We asked which LS they belonged to, and they told us the name and that it was a dynamis shell, and they did it just for kicks (to see if they could).

Thing is, this conversation was like a year ago at least. So, i don't really remember all the details :p Maybe someone else can fill in the blanks. AV was taken down when the wall trick still worked for Quetz, so kaiser and whatnot don't really matter all that much :o The wall was their tank :p

True I suppose but a PLD in full kaiser, well if it were a galka, would be a wall no matter what. Hell a galka in full kaiser would be like a brick shit house. Pop him cassie earring, bloodbead earring , BQ ring, bloobead ring, gigant mantle, Desert sash, I.M. gorget (for more hp), and rosenbogen (+1 why not). That would be a fucking concrete reinforced brick shit house. He would have like no mp left over though lol.
 
True I suppose but a PLD in full kaiser, well if it were a galka, would be a wall no matter what. Hell a galka in full kaiser would be like a brick shit house. Pop him cassie earring, bloodbead earring , BQ ring, bloobead ring, gigant mantle, Desert sash, I.M. gorget (for more hp), and rosenbogen (+1 why not). That would be a fucking concrete reinforced brick shit house. He would have like no mp left over though lol.

And then he'd die instantly from a 2800 damage Meteor for having no magic defense gear, and not much better from melee attacks for having no direct damage reduction either. (nevermind lack of enmity and MP to actually convince AV to attack him) _-_
 
True I suppose but a PLD in full kaiser, well if it were a galka, would be a wall no matter what. Hell a galka in full kaiser would be like a brick shit house. Pop him cassie earring, bloodbead earring , BQ ring, bloobead ring, gigant mantle, Desert sash, I.M. gorget (for more hp), and rosenbogen (+1 why not). That would be a fucking concrete reinforced brick shit house. He would have like no mp left over though lol.


If you fight AV on Firesday with BQ ring = owned D:

Btw i tought that the best PLD for end game was Hume . because PLDS keep hate with MP . Evanos toldme that <_< if im wrong dont look at me
 
If you fight AV on Firesday with BQ ring = owned D:

Btw i tought that the best PLD for end game was Hume . because PLDS keep hate with MP . Evanos toldme that <_< if im wrong dont look at me

AV uses Wind magic only, Meteor is non-elemental.

PLDs keep hate with MP, yes. But size of MP pool doesn't matter, it's how fast it refreshes. 7/tic plus chivalry is usually enough to cover a PLD's needs.
 
AV uses Wind magic only, Meteor is non-elemental.

PLDs keep hate with MP, yes. But size of MP pool doesn't matter, it's how fast it refreshes. 7/tic plus chivalry is usually enough to cover a PLD's needs.

Oh sorry i tought that AV used Day elemental magic ( like Waterday> Waterga)

Hmm well 7/tic its insane. Me wanna be pld <.<U
 
Oh sorry i tought that AV used Day elemental magic ( like Waterday> Waterga)

Hmm well 7/tic its insane. Me wanna be pld <.<U

Gotta have a BRD and RDM (or COR with SMN in party which I think tops out at 5mp/tic) 6 and Auto-refresh 7 if you count parade gorget.
 
Gotta have a BRD and RDM (or COR with SMN in party which I think tops out at 5mp/tic) 6 and Auto-refresh 7 if you count parade gorget.

You forgot Auto Refresh, the level 35 trait, and I forgot Gorget. So that's 8 MP/tic, 7 realistically because the BRD has better things to sing than 1 MP/tic. I'm assuming a PLD PLD WHM BRD RDM XXX tank party.


AV's Wynavs are the ones that use day magic.
 
Hopefully I'm not derailing just posting this under the the theme of Endgame questions I was about to make another topic but this one should be fine

Questions

I have been doing some research about people who do endgame activities as well as asking around about so-and-so shells.

I have gotten invites to endgame shells under the assumption that I lv fast(which couldnt be more false) for sky, dynamis,etc.

What I'm really asking is that will joining certain ls make my name mud to another ls and it's players by just signing up? Does it depend on what they do or the members in it? I have been told that it depends on who it is and what you do with them. Examples?

Endgame has 3 general categories according to Zeo (paraphrased from bad memory bear with it)

1. New starting shells that take anyone that is about 70+ usually unstable and fall from leadership

2. Shells with traits of 1. and 3. but not "completely" serious need workable schedules.

3. The top brass endgames that require at least 2~3 75jobs these develop from the successful type 1.'s and 2.'s need to be on ls most of the time, and usually dont take the average first job to 75 player.

I'm considering sky and dynamis but still need to look at a few more issues first can anyone kinda fill me in on how endgame works, the castes, structures,etc. (I understand most rules)
 
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