End gamish gear

[Bladewind]

I'm glad one person was able to understand what i said.

I already covered W.turban Vs Askar head also, there's no comparison really, HP/MP+30 haste+5% or lolVIT+4 haste+4%, which do you think is better?

Askar is fine for messing around with if you're playing with a DD build (i use it for campaign for example).

I didn't see Askar hands mentioned yet, if you don't have Homam, these are a decent alternative for /nin, with haste and enmity.

Edit:

Not much of a difference, and i'll never understand why some PLDs go overboard on enmity even when subbing WAR. I understand that you need some enmity as nin sub but some people put it in EVERY slot sacraficing shield skill(half the reason pld/nin is useful is so you block and not get interrupted), hp , and haste of course.

This is the joy of macro's, why would i keep Haste on when i'm not casting Ni/Flash? Why would i keep Shield skill on when i'm not casting Ichi(the only spell that has a high chance of interruption) or my shadows have been wiped?

I'm not implying i'm the perfect pld, far from it, but if you're not continuously swapping gear you're not doing your job right.

The reason enmity is important /war is because it's hard enough to keep hate, especially if you have competent DDs when you're constantly getting smacked around. Incase you didn't know losing HP causes heavy enmity loss and before you reply with "lol but... i get provoke /war" the VE has entirely diminished over the 30 seconds cool down period and (I could be wrong here) leaves you with 1 CE, yes, one.

I'm not bashing /war here either, before you say it,i still use it for dynamis and einherjar wings I/II.

 

[Morwen]

Couldn't agree more. I have Af+1 and I love it. Much easier to get then spending years farming Xarc.

Your comment about farming time isn't necessarily true anymore due to the bumped up drop rates in Xarcabard. It could take considerably less time to obtain a Valor Surcoat now than it has in the past.

In the grand scheme of things, as well, I would consider the Valor pieces easier to obtain than the upgraded Artifact pieces considering you have to finish CoP to get the drops instead of getting little ol' Rank 6 from any nation for Dynamis and any job 65+.

As far as the items go, I think they're both damn well worth having in your inventory. I have both pieces and use them both frequently.

 

[etchdog2000]

Something I didnt see mentioned was a Magic dmg down set.(maybe I missed it) I mainly swap in for Proto-Ultima count down move.

So much situational gear for PLD.

Homam/Relic/Iron Ram gear covers a numerous amount of scenarios. But you can further tweak a set with everything else that people have mentioned.

 

[ds083roadkill]

Just because you don't do einherjar yourself doesn't mean it's not a typical event. It's less expensive, less time consuming, and more than anything better rewarding than Dynamis. M.body can drop from Odin.

who said i dont?
http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/showthread.php?t=66429
but we should exspect you to read anything now can we. find me more GT posts about killing Odin then dyna-X wins and i'll shutup.

your conception of typical and better seems to be very blurred.

lets take for example katanas. the obvious best choice senji/perdu. the typical answer would be senji/unsho. why? because while thier both easy to obtain, S/U is more common because it's that much easier to get and still can be considered a end-game weapon in most cases.

 

[Arthur]

DEF = +7 ... loldef
VIT = +2 ... lolvit
HP = +0 ... nope
Divine Magic Skill = +3 ... yay my flash is more accurate.

Both VIT/DEF is un-noticable, due to the diminishing returns. Divine Skill is more or less useless... therefore it classifies as a "hmm, spare coins and items, I can upgrade this"

Most if not all the Martial pieces suck too, unless going for a HP build. Except the head. The trend is -damage taken now rather than VIT/DEF. Until they fix it completely where by one doesn't need to get it to 999 DEF/over 150 VIT for it to see a difference.

We were talking AF1+1 body, not NQ.

 

[Arthur]

This is the joy of macro's, why would i keep Haste on when i'm not casting Ni/Flash? Why would i keep Shield skill on when i'm not casting Ichi(the only spell that has a high chance of interruption) or my shadows have been wiped?

I'm not implying i'm the perfect pld, far from it, but if you're not continuously swapping gear you're not doing your job right.

The reason enmity is important /war is because it's hard enough to keep hate, especially if you have competent DDs when you're constantly getting smacked around. Incase you didn't know losing HP causes heavy enmity loss and before you reply with "lol but... i get provoke /war" the VE has entirely diminished over the 30 seconds cool down period and (I could be wrong here) leaves you with 1 CE, yes, one.

I'm not bashing /war here either, before you say it,i still use it for dynamis and einherjar wings I/II.

Some people don't do all that.

 

[LadyKiKi]

We were talking AF1+1 body, not NQ.

Indeed, and if you saw, I am comparing why it shouldn't be upgraded unless you got nothing else left to upgrade.

And yes, as Bladewind said, Provoke isn't all that good. It's good for like the first minute of a fight (on a fight lasting typically 15 minutes or more).

Some people don't do all that.

So, what do you want the people who don't do all that, to do, then.

 

[Bladewind]

We were talking AF1+1 body, not NQ.

My initial post was comparing AF+1 body to NQ AF body, read it again until you understand please, i appologise if it's not clear what i added, i forgot quotes are automatically italic, so when i made my additions italic it didn't seperate them as i'd hoped, let me go and edit it now so it's more clear.

Some people don't do all that.

Don't do all what? gear swap? I can't think of a single job that can be played wellwithout macros and gear swaps. Please don't give shitty advise to people who want to make the effort to use there job properly.

 

[Arthur]

Don't do all what? gear swap? I can't think of a single job that can be played wellwithout macros and gear swaps. Please don't give shitty advise to people who want to make the effort to use there job properly.

Where did I say it was ok to not use equip macros? Because I use then and I think everyone should. I'm saying some people don't use it, and full time enmity gear with war and nin sub. Don't know what advise you talking about either.
Edit: And yeah didn't realize you were talking about NQ and HQ AF.

 

[johnno25]

i don't have any really good gear for my pld so i will keep my comments to a minimum

ritter gorget from einherjar is nice to have imo

hp +25
eva +5
enmity +3

jelly ring is nice as well for anything that doesn't throw magic your way

 

[Spalko]

i am waiting for IR body to come out before i will try for relic body XD

 

[Zoolander]

Figured I would bump this with my question rather than start a new thread.

What do PLDs think about Wivre Shield? Its 12 Defense, size 3 shield and gives +5 Enmity.

To me, this seems better than anything else for /nin tanking and really in general. Am I missing somthing? I mean, the like 10 defense difference between this and Koenig shield seems like a spit in the bucket considering how little of a difference that defense would make.

Am I missing somthing, or people just like Koenig shield because it looks cool? Feel like 2 more enmity is better than +10 defense and +5 VIT.

Thoughts?

 

[Jakey]

Figured I would bump this with my question rather than start a new thread.

What do PLDs think about Wivre Shield? Its 12 Defense, size 3 shield and gives +5 Enmity.

To me, this seems better than anything else for /nin tanking and really in general. Am I missing somthing? I mean, the like 10 defense difference between this and Koenig shield seems like a spit in the bucket considering how little of a difference that defense would make.

Am I missing somthing, or people just like Koenig shield because it looks cool? Feel like 2 more enmity is better than +10 defense and +5 VIT.

Thoughts?

from wiki

In addition to the type of the shield, the defense rating of the shield also affects the amount of damage absorbed during a shield block: each point of defense seems to be an additional 0.5% damage reduction.

 

[Zoolander]

Hmmm interesting, if that's true (and I always take anything from wiki with a grain of salt) then that makes sense. Was thinking there might be something I was missing.

Curious if anyone has actually tested this around here. Wiki also says that the 378 delay GKT has 2.5% double attack, and it most certainly does not.

 

[Bladewind]

or people just like Koenig shield because it looks cool?

Mostly this!

But seriously, Koenig is outdated now imo (although i still use one >< ) personally i prefere the Terror shield (Enmity +4 HP+20).

I've been thinking though, smaller shields apparently block for less damage, but more often, if you're /nin you count on shield blocks more for the spell inturruption bonus than actually taking less damage so a smaller shield that procs more might be a better option?

 

[Jakey]

Mostly this!

But seriously, Koenig is outdated now imo (although i still use one >< ) personally i prefere the Terror shield (Enmity +4 HP+20).

I've been thinking though, smaller shields apparently block for less damage, but more often, if you're /nin you count on shield blocks more for the spell inturruption bonus than actually taking less damage so a smaller shield that procs more might be a better option?

I've been thinking same thing but just haven't gone pld enough to things recently

 

[Bladewind]

Just checked Wiki which has both Wivre and Konieg shields listed as size 3. In theory they'd block the same amount, and i'm not aware of any Round Shields with a decent chunk of Enmity+ on them, which is a shame.

 

[LadyKiKi]

But ... but ... you need CHR to keep hate??? ; ;'

 

[Zethren]

Can try this if you like. It's not that bad at all. I been meaning to try, but haven't got one to drop yet.

Don't mind the -2 Enmity. On the JP client it is actually +2. Just a typo on our side.

 

[Caerloc]

Since there is a 65% cap on shieldblocks, there is little to no use in equipping a size 1 shield. You can reach cap or come reasonably close with a size 3 shield on most anything.

Furthermore, using a proper shield mitigates more dmg then you obviously give it credit for. Right now you are pretty much discussing switching out a Hauteclaire with a Nq Macahuitl. And i dont even wanna do a comparison with the size 1 shield and a koenig shield.

It's not very hard to get +30-40 enmity. I would hardly give up that much damage mitigation to add 2 more.