Epic battle with motherglobe!

M

Master Honcho

Limit Breaker
Adventurer
Joined
Apr 21, 2005
Messages
615
Location
Texas
theflocks been trying to get mg for long ass time now.. we finally killed that son of a bicth today.. with only 7 people.. it was amazing shit. we wiped 3 times changin strategies alot.. but on fourth try

we got our glooooobbbe.

had 2 nins backwards tank. war and bst on pops then used tp on mg.
whm and rdm for debuffs and cures; then me blm for cures and stunning ga3.

i know its not that insane of an acconmplishment but damn that was fun and 7 pepople is pretty good to beat mg :)

<3

p.s no screenies;; ps2>.>
 
Last edited:
This was too much fun. Didn't take any action screenshots, was busy trying not to die. Definitely the most fun I've had in the game for awhile.


It all started with Exo doing evil stuff to Honcho,


watching our victim,



and finally, the result!
 
Master Honcho said:
theflocks been trying to get mg for long ass time now.. we finally killed that son of a bicth today.. with only 7 people.. it was amazing shit. we wiped 3 times changin strategies alot.. but on fourth try

we got our glooooobbbe.

had 2 nins backwards tank. war and bst on pops then used tp on mg.
whm and rdm for debuffs and cures; then me blm for cures and stunning ga3.

i know its not that insane of an acconmplishment but damn that was fun and 7 pepople is pretty good to beat mg :)

<3

p.s no screenies;; ps2>.>
Click to expand...

So like, the linkshell that's all about bst had 1 bst involved in this major accomplishment? Idontgetit/10

Edit: Just to clarify, I'm not knocking you guys or anything. I just expected this to be about a bunch of bsts pwning something and wasn't. Just sounds like a pretty normal MG fight.
 
Last edited:
ya hard to use all bst on mg.

ya epic for us.. 7 ppl on mg is pretty cool i think; i mean we wiped 3 times guess u had to be there:P
 
Just epic because like any shell you have growing pains. There is some stuff you just can not do all bst w/o having absurd amounts of them, I'm not so blind nor arrogant to think you can do everything all bst. MG being one of them. We have been trying to get enough people/right people up to MG for a long time so it was nice to finally have it done, and it is also nice because Seiryu is the last god we have not yet killed to finish off our Kirin set and we'd like to be the second all bst ls to beat Kirin serverwide.

Neo, every time we have to go out and fight something it somehow always turns into a tooth and nail epic battle where if you fuck up once its over. Which is really why fights are even fun in this game because it requires trust in all the parties involved to kick ass at what they are doing, but be willing to wipe and try again to find something that works. We have a failry small core group in our shell and don't have the number resources of a lot of shells so we end up low manning alot of stuff. MG may not be epic to you, but a close fight with your friends in game that gets your adrenaline moving is always epic to me. We've had bsts with other jobs from experienced shells who have said that the most fun they've had in a long time is fighting a simple minor god or even a stone dropper for this reason.
 
Last edited:
Mattaru said:
Just epic because like any shell you have growing pains. There is some stuff you just can not do all bst w/o having absurd amounts of them, I'm not so blind nor arrogant to think you can do everything all bst. MG being one of them. We have been trying to get enough people/right people up to MG for a long time so it was nice to finally have it done, and it is also nice because Seiryu is the last god we have not yet killed to finish off our Kirin set and we'd like to be the second all bst ls to beat Kirin serverwide.

Neo, every time we have to go out and fight something it somehow always turns into a tooth and nail epic battle where if you fuck up once its over. Which is really why fights are even fun in this game because it requires trust in all the parties involved to kick ass at what they are doing, but be willing to wipe and try again to find something that works. We have a failry small core group in our shell and don't have the number resources of a lot of shells so we end up low manning alot of stuff. MG may not be epic to you, but a close fight with your friends in game that gets your adrenaline moving is always epic to me. We've had bsts with other jobs from experienced shells who have said that the most fun they've had in a long time is fighting a simple minor god or even a stone dropper for this reason.
Click to expand...


ya what he said lol
 
Legomyeggo said:
Since when did mods thread shit?
Click to expand...

Neo has been doing that for a while actually. Take for example when mara made an AH post selling serket ring and he deided to let everyone know the last sale was lower than the price mara had frcing mara to lower the price he had. The funny thing about that was the ring had a rebound in price for a short bit a little later meaning mara could have earned the amount he originally asked for.

That's off topic anyways and the only reason I remembered that was I had a slight interest in either buying one soon or trying ODS a few times so that my brd could wear it.

Congradulations on the kill honcho. Like it's been mentioned killing MG with all bst just aint gonna happen or would need a full alliance with properly coordinated Sj, coordination to the point where the inital pull involves people selecting slave globes from widescan to killl due to the lack of nukes,ect ect+ prayer. With 7 bst there TheFlock might have been able to kill other NM but definetly not MG. Have fun with kirin later on.
 
Do all of the slave globes share hate with each other? If so you could probably just have one carrie sac the slaves while the main party claims MG. If MG works somewhat similar to other mobs with pets, there ought to be some way to sac to separate.
 
Rhaddy said:
Do all of the slave globes share hate with each other? If so you could probably just have one carrie sac the slaves while the main party claims MG. If MG works somewhat similar to other mobs with pets, there ought to be some way to sac to separate.
Click to expand...

Slave Globes don't share hate, but I believe they're partied with MG...that is, you can't simply sac pull them to a corner since they'll instantly return to help MG.

Grats on the win guys...again, if you ever need an extra BST, feel free to drop me a tell and I may be able to come...though it'd hafto be on a non-Tues/Wed/Thurs evening.
 
Last edited:
Khajit said:
Like it's been mentioned killing MG with all bst just aint gonna happen or would need a full alliance with properly coordinated Sj, coordination to the point where the inital pull involves people selecting slave globes from widescan to killl due to the lack of nukes,ect ect+ prayer. With 7 bst there TheFlock might have been able to kill other NM but definetly not MG. Have fun with kirin later on.
Click to expand...

I don't think it would've needed a full ally to kill. Probably 7 bst could do it with the right SJ if its possible to get the initial pop to separate. 2 Bst/nin could probably kite/bind tank MG and pops decently w/ stun from bst/drk for ga. That would give you 5 more spaces for stun and cure. 7 bst is also 7 pets, so damage probably wouldn't be a problem. Even then, if there was no way to get the initial pops to separate, 6bst and 1blm or rdm sounds do-able too.
 
Last edited:
Mishaela said:
Slave Globes don't share hate, but I believe they're partied with MG...that is, you can't simply sac pull them to a corner since they'll instantly return to help MG.

Grats on the win guys...again, if you ever need an extra BST, feel free to drop me a tell and I may be able to come...though it'd hafto be on a non-Tues/Wed/Thurs evening.
Click to expand...

I think the ix'aerns for deed/vice are also partied together, but you can separate them by having two different parties pull them. Anyways, dunno, never seen it done with MG, but it could be something you could try for low person MG fights if you don't have a rdm or blm to nuke first wave of pops.
 
Last edited:
Rhaddy said:
I don't think it would've needed a full ally to kill. Probably 7 bst could do it with the right SJ if its possible to get the initial pop to separate. 2 Bst/nin could probably kite/bind tank MG and pops decently w/ stun from bst/drk for ga. That would give you 5 more spaces for stun and cure. 7 bst is also 7 pets, so damage probably wouldn't be a problem. Even then, if there was no way to get the initial pops to separate, 6bst and 1blm or rdm sounds do-able too.
Click to expand...

I had considered that but I theorized that the bst/drk wouldnt be able to melee in addition to thier pets due to the additional hate they would get from stunhate. bst/nin isnt the best tank either since theres honestly nothing from /nin availiable to keep hate. The suggestion to use charm as a replacement for voke is a good idea. /whm or /rdm bst wont be able to land any enfeebles on MG making it harder for the bst/nin to tank. The bst/nin will already have trouble maintaining hate if charm isnt as much hate as you're theorizing if they have to kite.
If charm gives enough hate and the bst/nin can control thier shadows properly while dealing with MG's tp moves then the bst/nins can tank. The reason I discounted bst/nins tanking in my original post when I tried to think of ways for em to do it was because of the excess tp MG would get. If the crabs alone were attacking that would be 7 constant sources of tp for MG to fire off aoe and damage the entire group with. This would lead to more healing being needed. with more mp and healing being used the bst/nin would't have as much hate as the healers/stunners eventually. So unless you castrate the bsts and dont use thier pets to dot MG which is the entire point of being bst(having pets/crabs) you are hurting yourself.
If it was possible for 7 bst to zerg MG I'd have said it could be killed but with MG and the pets giving a constant source of tp I honestly do not know if the two bst/nin tanks could survive. Maybe with familiar active they can kill it?
 
Khajit said:
I had considered that but I theorized that the bst/drk wouldnt be able to melee in addition to thier pets due to the additional hate they would get from stunhate. bst/nin isnt the best tank either since theres honestly nothing from /nin availiable to keep hate. The suggestion to use charm as a replacement for voke is a good idea. /whm or /rdm bst wont be able to land any enfeebles on MG making it harder for the bst/nin to tank. The bst/nin will already have trouble maintaining hate if charm isnt as much hate as you're theorizing if they have to kite.
If charm gives enough hate and the bst/nin can control thier shadows properly while dealing with MG's tp moves then the bst/nins can tank. The reason I discounted bst/nins tanking in my original post when I tried to think of ways for em to do it was because of the excess tp MG would get. If the crabs alone were attacking that would be 7 constant sources of tp for MG to fire off aoe and damage the entire group with. This would lead to more healing being needed. with more mp and healing being used the bst/nin would't have as much hate as the healers/stunners eventually. So unless you castrate the bsts and dont use thier pets to dot MG which is the entire point of being bst(having pets/crabs) you are hurting yourself.
If it was possible for 7 bst to zerg MG I'd have said it could be killed but with MG and the pets giving a constant source of tp I honestly do not know if the two bst/nin tanks could survive. Maybe with familiar active they can kill it?
Click to expand...

Its possible to have bst/nin main tank/kite kirin with charm bind, so charm is a good source of hate, esp over time. MG doesn't really use that many TP moves anyways, I think electrocharge can be blinked, and spikes won't really matter to the crabs.

Bst/drk probably wouldn't need to melee and would only be on stun duty.

Whenever I have done MG, I don't recall having rdms do any enfeeble besides DoT anyways. With a couple of Bst/nin and stuns I don't think that they'd have too much trouble keeping up shadows, seeing as charm bind will give them some extra time and spell casting can be absorbed as well. One other bst could bind claim the pops before it knocks off the tanks shadows and everyone could put crabs on it for a bit before switching back to MG.
 
Khajit said:
Neo has been doing that for a while actually. Take for example when mara made an AH post selling serket ring and he deided to let everyone know the last sale was lower than the price mara had frcing mara to lower the price he had. The funny thing about that was the ring had a rebound in price for a short bit a little later meaning mara could have earned the amount he originally asked for.

That's off topic anyways and the only reason I remembered that was I had a slight interest in either buying one soon or trying ODS a few times so that my brd could wear it.

Congradulations on the kill honcho. Like it's been mentioned killing MG with all bst just aint gonna happen or would need a full alliance with properly coordinated Sj, coordination to the point where the inital pull involves people selecting slave globes from widescan to killl due to the lack of nukes,ect ect+ prayer. With 7 bst there TheFlock might have been able to kill other NM but definetly not MG. Have fun with kirin later on.
Click to expand...

thx bro and thx mish too:)

to be honest ii think it is possible to beat mg all bst but... we need alota bsts and would have to be perfect; i can see it happening im just unsure howd u handle first part; guess just everyone kill a slave then get on mg after that and always have someone on slave pops rest on mg.



who knows orz:)
 
I didn't read over all you mentioned Rhaddy, but I got the gist so here is what I think:

As far as the Slave Globes sharing hate: They do not share hate with each other but on the repops it would seem they would immediately go after whoever MG had the most hate on, but could be immediately peeled away by a Voke or a Charm even.

I am a tad confused by what you say by having Carrie sacrifice. Like what is your assumption in either shared or unshared hate and what would be the outcome. I guess if you sic carrie for a sac the globes will follow very soon after if they do not peel away with MG so it seems a tad moot, but I could just be misunderstanding.

BST/DRK would be nice, almost makes me want to lvl DRK to try it, but I see problems hate wise. Assuming Stun hate can be mitigated by Bst/Nin just building hate and assuming that it isn't going to require alot of stunning to straight up peel hate away its possible, otherwise it interrupts the BST tank/kiters, which can end in needing mage support with a weak hate build on tanks and it just spirals down from there. The BST/NINs would have very very little room for error.

Charm binding is nice but isn't always completely reliable on NMs that are a good deal higher in level. You'd want to be in full Charm gear (which would suck as a tank relying on Ni w/o much haste unless you have a decent amount of kiters bouncing hate around, then its still possible), and hope very few resists because MG is fast. With low numbers kiting was just a bitch for us once Gravity started to be resisted, and getting pops off tanks early sucked while kiting. Which is why we went with tank backwards while second tank meleed until it was his turn to tank, in order to get a similar kiting effect but with more organized stunning and pop handling.

The WAR and I were on Slave Globe pops, it really takes two melee on it to put it down quick before another pop and giving yourself time to TP dump etc. Id put two BSTs on it to be safe. The few people on a pop was actually advantageous for tp dumping, I wouldnt want a crap ton of BSTs on one pop building very little tp at a time.

If anything I would look more into this type of thing for when we do Kirin, LoTB the only other all bst ls to do kirin used something like 4 bst kiters on Kirin and I am not sure what they did for kiting mini gods off the top of my head. Having some of the kiters be BST/DRK with BST/NIN alternating Stuns, maybe a lucky Feral Howl here or there (ive never landed one on a god, but need to try it in chr build) and Charm Binding and it could be very effective. I don't want to lvl DRK, but now I'm just curious so who knows.

A much more straight forward MG all bst scenario would be One BST per globe, but have it so its two bst on a globe and two pets on another so hate is bounced in b/t the two while MG is pulled. Two BST watching pops, other BST focused on keeping Jugs on MG (just from experience would probably want 8-10 jugs on it to be safe, so 10 BST is probably a good test number). Unless you had a balls to the wall good BST kiter who was taking hate and preventing -gas you would need Stun with BSTs who would be wearing phys dmg -% for sure, hp build, enm- and running the fuck away from MG because they would undoubtedly pull hate.

Recommended test setup for minimum numbers: 2xBst/Drk 4x Bst/Nin 4xBst/Whm(orRdm) or 6xBst/Nin and 4xBst/Whm(or Rdm)
 
Last edited:
grats on the win to mg. Wondering have you ever tried to have 1 pet on each of the slaves and then have like 2-3 pets on mg? Then once first set of slaves die all attack mg then when a slave pops 2-3 of the beast break off to kill it? or is the recast on pets to long to do this?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top