EU goal to ban cars...

He's 3 days too early with this article.
It's an April fools joke, it has to be!

Though I do like some of the comments from people:
"I suggest that he goes and finds himself a space in the local mental asylum," said Hugh Bladon, a spokesman for the BDA
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"This sort of greenwashing grandstanding adds nothing and merely highlights their grandiose ambitions."
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In any case, this is not gonna happen.
Don't believe everything they write, we Europeans certainly don't.
 
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The prospect of having public transportation that's awesome enough to eliminate a need for cars would be pretty awesome, but just a straight up ban without more context is pretty dumb.
 
it'd only ban cars running on petrol and diesel. You seriously believe - with how fast technology is moving - that there won't be alternatives to petrol and diesel in 39 years?

It'd be stupid to ban cars if there isn't, but if it's possible to drive cars on alternative energy sources in 39 years, I don't see why a ban wouldn't be possible. Hell, Swedish government already pay you to get "green" cars, so the market is certainly growing and sought after.

I honestly don't mind. I don't even have a driver's license because public transportation is so good in Sweden - and it's constantly expanding and becoming better. You can also bicycle or walk anywhere you want. Fact of the matter is, you don't need a car. If you insist taking the car within the city to get where you want, you're just lazy.

But yeah, like I said, ban would only apply to petrol and diesel cars, and I truly believe we'll have excellent alternative fuel sources in 39 years.
 
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Uzor said:
it'd only ban cars running on petrol and diesel. You seriously believe - with how fast technology is moving - that there won't be alternatives to petrol and diesel in 39 years?

It'd be stupid to ban cars if there isn't, but if it's possible to drive cars on alternative energy sources in 39 years, I don't see why a ban wouldn't be possible. Hell, Swedish government already pay you to get "green" cars, so the market is certainly growing and sought after.

I honestly don't mind. I don't even have a driver's license because public transportation is so good in Sweden - and it's constantly expanding and becoming better. You can also bicycle or walk anywhere you want. Fact of the matter is, you don't need a car. If you insist taking the car within the city to get where you want, you're just lazy.

But yeah, like I said, ban would only apply to petrol and diesel cars, and I truly believe we'll have excellent alternative fuel sources in 39 years.
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This times a million. Europe is so much more well-positioned for this type of thing than North America is in terms of urban development. With the exception of places like Boston, NYC, D.C., and a few others, almost everywhere else in the U.S. and Canada pretty much relies on personal access to an automobile. You can call it legislating behavior if you like, but it's also legislating behavior when your city planning comissions, transportation comissions, trade comissions, et al, design a system that relies on this personal access to an automobile. I would love to be able to walk to the store or bike to work or take a train to Bricktown, but unfortunately the way in which Oklahoma City was allowed to grow and develop does not afford me this lifestyle choice. The OKC metro area, suburbs included, has just over a million people, yet it takes up something like 3.5 times the geographic space of NYC. Ever been to Dallas or Houston? Those places are a fucking nightmare to drive in because there are so many people who HAVE to drive to get from point A to point B just for simple daily tasks; it's absurd. Kudos to the EU. The powers that be in the U.S. need to get off of this 70+ year addiction to the personal automobile and stop designing our entire infrastructure around this premise.
 
Valandil said:
This times a million. Europe is so much more well-positioned for this type of thing than North America is in terms of urban development. With the exception of places like Boston, NYC, D.C., and a few others, almost everywhere else in the U.S. and Canada pretty much relies on personal access to an automobile. You can call it legislating behavior if you like, but it's also legislating behavior when your city planning comissions, transportation comissions, trade comissions, et al, design a system that relies on this personal access to an automobile. I would love to be able to walk to the store or bike to work or take a train to Bricktown, but unfortunately the way in which Oklahoma City was allowed to grow and develop does not afford me this lifestyle choice. The OKC metro area, suburbs included, has just over a million people, yet it takes up something like 3.5 times the geographic space of NYC. Ever been to Dallas or Houston? Those places are a fucking nightmare to drive in because there are so many people who HAVE to drive to get from point A to point B just for simple daily tasks; it's absurd. Kudos to the EU. The powers that be in the U.S. need to get off of this 70+ year addiction to the personal automobile and stop designing our entire infrastructure around this premise.
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But then how will those poors stay poor when they can easily walk or take a bus to work?
 
Skaw said:
But then how will those poors stay poor when they can easily walk or take a bus to work?
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Skaw has apparently mistaken an imaginary conspiracy to keep the poor poor with an actual conspiracy to sell cars.
 
Well, the US has often been backwards in the attempt to be green compared to the rest of the world. The Kyoto protocol is about to expire and the US still hasn't managed to become a part of it compared to just about all of its counterparts in the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change. For us, that won't change anytime soon, and neither will this.
 
I don't see how, or WHY they would ever ban cars, as uzor said, ban the production of gasoline once a viable alternative is in place, but everyone relying on public transportation? yeah, no thanks.

I like my car, and I like having the freedom having your own transportation provides, what i find troubling is the way some seem to despise that concept.

Please give one good reason why cars should be banned once they are running on a clean energy sources such as electric, hydrogen, etc?

Having a robust, and efficient public transportation system is all well and good, but not all of us live in or near a city. or want to.

and tristam please tell me your being sarcastic. I expect that kinda shit outa skaw or halif, but not you. why exactly is the concept of personal property and personal liberty "ridiculous"
 
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As much as I love my freedom (which on a warm sunny day is a lot), if banning personal vehicles meant taking the licenses morons off the road and out of behind the deathmobiles I'm all for it ;p

Less cars, less traffic, less death/injury and yeah it's good for the environment! Honestly I wouldn't care either way, things are not set up here to allow us the luxury of depending on public transit, not by far. Not unless you live d-town t.dot which I don't. Any of the surrounding cities depend on shafty bus systems.

We do have emissions standards that each vehicle needs to pass every 3 years if the cars less than 10 years old (I believe) and every year when older. If your car doesn't pass you can just drop $400 to by-pass the qualifications.. heh.. what a joke eh.
 
Damn it, we'd better have teleporters and/or flying cars by 2050, although massive public transportation would make it easier for me to make contacts through 3DS Street Pass.

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yea... gotta love those that think they can legislate behavior.
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(Minor quibble, but I think you mean "those that think they can legislate morality. Controlling behavior is what legislation is all about.)
 
No... i meant legislating behavior. Seat belt/helmet laws, drug laws etc. where you are giving up personal choice for the convoluted idea of "greater good"

Taking away the ability of someone to own a car is forcing someone else to live with your opinion. Change their opinion don't make a law. That is what i mean by legislating behavior. Btw... i take public trans where necessary i never drive without my seat belt and i haven't had any kid of recreational drug since i was about 21 and haven't had a drink since Nov 2009. Laws didn't make that happen my experiences did.

People who think that you can legislate behavior is why we have the scar on our constitution that is prohibition and our current drug "policy".
 
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