Why would you use Seiryu's sword on Thief.. ever??
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Why would you use Seiryu's sword on Thief.. ever??
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Evasion, and to get people to check you because they think you have a Ridill.
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Personally, I would stick with the extra 59 att and 53 acc (disregarding merits and weapon bonuses) you get from the A- ranked dagger over the D ranked sword. I'm sure seeing "The Elder Goobbue is intimidated by your presence" is nice to see the one or two times it happens per fight, but I think having higher than a 50% acc rate would still win here.
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Dagger > Sword, even if the sword has some evasion on it and we're creaming ourselves because it makes our evasion builds go to over 9000!!!
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Main Tanking set:
Few things to consider, if the mob is Tough or lower, you're attack and accuracy will likely be capped even naked dual wielding clubs... Sure I am exagerating, but I find it embarrassing when I see thieves wearing accuracy rings etc when soloing. So the sword arguements above are moot... However, I will argue that on the angle of reliabel TP, a faster weapon for soloing would be your best fit.
When I am out hunting for "sport" I look for odd things that generally hold no purpose other than the challenge of duo'ing them. if you can get a decent Rdm or Whm partner, they will be more important that any solo gear you can possibly think up. A well placed Flash, or Slow and all is good, but most important, they offer you someone to talk to while you're bored out of your mind. You give them TH and they give you debuffs and haste/cures/etc.
Depending on my primary goals in soloing, my gear sets vary.
If I am farming, chances are my Evasoin is already probably as high as it is going to get for the most part even before gear. In my opinion, the goal is fast kills, and reliabel drop rates:
TH > Haste > Double/Triple Attack > Store TP > Evasion > Etc...
Couple things to note:
- Denali Bonnet: Sure I am giving up 1% Haste, and I would actually say use the "Turbo Turban" But I think the added evasion and defense are worth it on the survivability angle.
- Ungar Booomerang: I seen thieves solo using Bloody Bolts... And its ok I suppose. In my opinion, the whole point of soloing in most cases is to make gil, and I don't find pissing it out in the form of bolts is the way to go. Arguabley, one could say 'well resting probably wastes just as much' in the way of time/money. In my own personal take, either I have a Whm duo partner, or I just take a break, grab another beer while I rest.
- Suppanomimi: almost a wasted slot, you don't really gain much using it while soloing, an evasion earring might be better(arguably). However offhanding a sword, and the added Agi make it decent at least.
- Rapparee Harness: I fucking hate this harness, but it does have its uses. Thieves use this god forsaken piece of shit on merit mobs to 'miss faster' over a Homam Corazza, and it makes my ill in ways ony a priest molesting a small child can. Farming, so long as I am hidden in a dark hole where no one can see me, I'll wear it.
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When I go out to kill a challenge, or an HNM type thing, my gear swaps out to more of the typical gear you all are discussing here.
Evasion > Haste > Etc...
Lots swapped out in favor of Evasion. I alternate between Wiver Mask and Denali Bonnet. In my opinion, 4% haste > 5 evasion for the most part. It's a rediculous amount of Evasion Skill, Evasion and Agi. How much of it is actually used is beyond me.
Few things to consider, if the mob is Tough or lower, you're attack and accuracy will likely be capped even naked dual wielding clubs... Sure I am exagerating, but I find it embarrassing when I see thieves wearing accuracy rings etc when soloing. So the sword arguements above are moot... However, I will argue that on the angle of reliabel TP, a faster weapon for soloing would be your best fit.
When I am out hunting for "sport" I look for odd things that generally hold no purpose other than the challenge of duo'ing them. if you can get a decent Rdm or Whm partner, they will be more important that any solo gear you can possibly think up. A well placed Flash, or Slow and all is good, but most important, they offer you someone to talk to while you're bored out of your mind. You give them TH and they give you debuffs and haste/cures/etc.
Depending on my primary goals in soloing, my gear sets vary.
If I am farming, chances are my Evasoin is already probably as high as it is going to get for the most part even before gear. In my opinion, the goal is fast kills, and reliabel drop rates:
TH > Haste > Double/Triple Attack > Store TP > Evasion > Etc...
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Main: Thief Knife
Sub: Ridill
Ranged: Ungar Boomerang
Head: Denali Bonnet
Neck: Evasion Torque
Ear 1: Suppanomimi
Ear 2: Brutal Earring
Body: Rapparee Harness
Hands: Assassin's Armlets +1
Ring 1: Rajas Ring
Ring 2: Iota Ring
Back: Boxer's Mantel
Waist: Swift Belt
Legs: Skadi's Chauses
Feet: Homam GambierasCouple things to note:
- Denali Bonnet: Sure I am giving up 1% Haste, and I would actually say use the "Turbo Turban" But I think the added evasion and defense are worth it on the survivability angle.
- Ungar Booomerang: I seen thieves solo using Bloody Bolts... And its ok I suppose. In my opinion, the whole point of soloing in most cases is to make gil, and I don't find pissing it out in the form of bolts is the way to go. Arguabley, one could say 'well resting probably wastes just as much' in the way of time/money. In my own personal take, either I have a Whm duo partner, or I just take a break, grab another beer while I rest.
- Suppanomimi: almost a wasted slot, you don't really gain much using it while soloing, an evasion earring might be better(arguably). However offhanding a sword, and the added Agi make it decent at least.
- Rapparee Harness: I fucking hate this harness, but it does have its uses. Thieves use this god forsaken piece of shit on merit mobs to 'miss faster' over a Homam Corazza, and it makes my ill in ways ony a priest molesting a small child can. Farming, so long as I am hidden in a dark hole where no one can see me, I'll wear it.
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When I go out to kill a challenge, or an HNM type thing, my gear swaps out to more of the typical gear you all are discussing here.
Evasion > Haste > Etc...
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Main: X's Knife
Sub: Blau Dolch
Ranged: Ungar Boomerang
Head: Denali Bonnet/Wivre Mask
Neck: Evasion Torque
Ear 1: Elusive Earring
Ear 2: Evasion Earring
Body: Enkidu's Harness
Hands: Homam Manopolas
Ring 1: Breeze Ring
Ring 2: Iota Ring
Back: Boxer's Mantel
Waist: Scouter's Rope
Legs: Skadi's Chauses
Feet: Homam GambierasLots swapped out in favor of Evasion. I alternate between Wiver Mask and Denali Bonnet. In my opinion, 4% haste > 5 evasion for the most part. It's a rediculous amount of Evasion Skill, Evasion and Agi. How much of it is actually used is beyond me.
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empress hairpin is the best head evasion piece due to the +3 agi, it even beats wivre+1. And people actually use denali bonnet for something else than town gear?
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3 agi over 20 def, 2 str and 2 vit. 3 agi is a drop in the bucket. But making up for a decent amount of defense for dealing with physical attacks and AoE's that go through shadows is pretty prudent.
As far as Denali Bonnet, 5 evasion, 4 haste, 21 defense for soloing? Again, 5 Evasion is a drop in the bucket, compaired to the gain in Haste and Defense.
As far as Denali Bonnet, 5 evasion, 4 haste, 21 defense for soloing? Again, 5 Evasion is a drop in the bucket, compaired to the gain in Haste and Defense.
Holy shit, you're the first person I've come across to say that. Now tell that to the list of people who question my CHR rings when soloing on <job>/BST !!!
(Although that is just a factor of lazyiness to make another macro to switch out my rings)
However, isn't DEF a bit of a moot point at 75? Unless the difference is like 150+, the random damage I take kinda makes me feel it's not worth looking into (despite me having W.Turban on or another piece of gear on that's not W.Turban but provides DEF). However, psychologically it makes you feel better in a way.
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lol...This fucking thread...
TotY, last minute nomination.
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