Everyones Needs To See This

[Zoner]

So seriously, someone gonna sum this up or not? Based on Stout's review I don't even see a need to watch it if it's just more conspiracy theory bullshit coupled with some basic political science and sociology that someone probably learned at the local community college.

And while they're at it, can someone translate reddogneo's posts for me? I get about half of them, but the other half makes my eyes bleed.

You cant really judge the movie from Stout's comments as he didnt actually watch the movie. And the movie really cant be summed up in one paragraph.

Also the movie itself doesnt begin till the 10min mark and I recommend skipping the intro.

0:00:00-0:10:00 = long annoying intro, skip it

0:10:00-0:37:00 = part one a look at religion, some of which I do not agree with but still contains some interesting info.

0:37:00-1:11:00 = part two, some very curious information on 9/11 and other terrorist attacks, I recommend start watching the movie here

1:11:00-1:56:00 = part three, contains alot of interesting info on those who would benefit from this.

 

[Romper]

You cant really judge the movie from Stout's comments as he didnt actually watch the movie. And the movie really cant be summed up in one paragraph.

Also the movie itself doesnt begin till the 10min mark and I recommend skipping the intro.

0:00:00-0:10:00 = long annoying intro, skip it

0:10:00-0:37:00 = part one a look at religion, some of which I do not agree with but still contains some interesting info.

0:37:00-1:11:00 = part two, some very curious information on 9/11 and other terrorist attacks, I recommend start watching the movie here

1:11:00-1:56:00 = part three, contains alot of interesting info on those who would benefit from this.

Part 3 was more of how the central bank is trying to control the world and have been since 1907. Also confirms what we've all known that Rockefeller was a nazi supporter.

 

[Raesvelg]

a summary

Thanks for the summary, it told me everything I need to know. Nothing new here, just the same conspiracy theories that have been kicking around for years, packaged into a slick format for the easily influenced.

 

[Zoner]

Part 3 was more of how the central bank is trying to control the world and have been since 1907. Also confirms what we've all known that Rockefeller was a nazi supporter.

I found it interesting the the Federal Reserve Bank, which controls all US currency is infact a private bank and not actually part of the government.

Thanks for the summary, it told me everything I need to know. Nothing new here, just the same conspiracy theories that have been kicking around for years, packaged into a slick format for the easily influenced.

What i posted is just an outline of the movie and hardly a summary. The fact is yes the movie is full of conspiracy theories but whats important is that there is alot of truth out there that you would be foolish to just close your eyes to and hope it goes away.

 

[Zoner]

Maybe this movie just made alot of sense to me because right after i watched this i sat down and turned on the TV only to see a speech being made by President Bush saying he wants Congress to expand and make permanent a law that temporarily gives the government power to eavesdrop on US citizens without warrants.

 

[Raesvelg]

The thing is that I've heard all the "truth" before. What conspiracy theorists peddle as truth is, as usual, half the story at best, or outright lies at worst. The truth is something you have to determine for yourself, from objective evidence and when possible, rigorous testing.

 

[Zoner]

The thing is that I've heard all the "truth" before. What conspiracy theorists peddle as truth is, as usual, half the story at best, or outright lies at worst. The truth is something you have to determine for yourself, from objective evidence and when possible, rigorous testing.

Thats exactly what i'm saying. You cant get the truth just from watching one movie all the way thro, but at the same time you cant get it from burying your head in the sand and saying there is no problem. I mean really actually watch the dam movie before you criticize it.
I myself dont agree with all the movie says but the information you can pull from it is totally worth it.

 

[Raesvelg]

Thats exactly what i'm saying. You cant get the truth just from watching one movie all the way thro, but at the same time you cant get it from burying your head in the sand and saying there is no problem. I mean really actually watch the dam movie before you criticize it.
I myself dont agree with all the movie says but the information you can pull from it is totally worth it.

I'm not living in denial, I'm just saying that I've heard all those arguments before, in all their varied forms, and they failed to sway me then. It's doubtful that they'll have any more success convincing me now, just because a film student put them into a reasonably slick package.

 

[Romper]

I'm not living in denial, I'm just saying that I've heard all those arguments before, in all their varied forms, and they failed to sway me then. It's doubtful that they'll have any more success convincing me now, just because a film student put them into a reasonably slick package.

How can you criticize something you haven't watched? This could be totally different information than you've heard about. You instant dismiss everything because you do live in denial.

 

[CmdrFly]

Ah conspiracy flicks.

They're designed from the ground-up to include the most pertinent information to support their battle. They pull up the details people prefer not to know (example, how many people jumped from WTC on 9/11) to temporarily shock the reader/viewer. This makes forthcoming information much easier to process without bias because your brain is briefly in a state of limbo (from shock).

No I haven't watched it, and because of that I won't comment on it. Yeah it sounds like every other conspiracy movie in existence - something to put in theatres or on ad-covered Internet sites with the bait of "the truth is right here!".

Is this one like that? I don't know, and I won't know. I'm not interested in spending well over an hour watching (what I would consider) dribble. Are they rallying for support against all these upper-echelon world powers? Are they even going to do anything? I doubt it. They collected info and made a drama flick that will attract viewers and generate revenue in some form or another.

Well how about that, a conspiracy in itself! Everything in this movie could be 1% of 12 different stories collected to make money for the authors.

 

[Raesvelg]

How can you criticize something you haven't watched? This could be totally different information than you've heard about. You instant dismiss everything because you do live in denial.

I doubt it, since I pull my information from impartial sources, not idiots pushing agendas. Whatever information is provided in a production of this sort is flawed, spun, and mangled to fit. It's the same thing Michael Moore does, pick an argument and hammer the truth until it's malleable enough to fit your mold.

Let's see though.

First 5 minutes, pretentious film school crap. Oppressive score, LOOK AT THIS, IT'S IMPORTANT!

Next, someone is ignorant enough to think that the secular powers and religious powers are somehow in league, rather than their historical policy of being at odds with one another. Then prattles on about truth, while obviously not knowing much about it.

Now someone gives you partial sets of information about various religious figures throughtout history as if it's some sort of revelation, fudges a fair amount of information, hammers what remains until it fits, and then draws comparisons between things when it's a well known fact that religions in general and Christianity in particular borrowed a great deal of what they use from previous religions. Again, no new information, just spin.

Next, more tired old 9/11 conspiracy shite. I'm honestly not even gonna bother going into detail on this. It's not worthy of the effort.

Why they felt the need to throw Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories in is beyond me.

Then it moves to banking, and amusingly contradicts itself on a couple occasions, while demonstrating a complete lack of comprehension of economics.

Then we shift to causes of war, hoaxes causing war, mistakes causing war, and war implied as a tool of our putatitve economic overlords. Our overlords are moving towards a world government in order enslave us, our overlords are working in secret to control every facet of our lives, etc etc.

Blah blah blah

I stand by my orignal assessment. No new information. No genuine truth. Just slick packaging, thinly veiled agendas, and about as much actual understanding as you'd get taking a course at your local community college, assuming the instructor is a strung-out hippy that's been living in denial for the last 40 years.

Let this be a lesson to you: While it is truly said that just because something is on television, that doesn't make it true, the reverse argument also holds. Just because it's not mainstream doesn't mean it's true. It just means it's not popular.

 

[Rayn]

I just watched the film just because there is nothing to do at work. Interesting stuff but a lot of stuff that I have already read/ seen.

I was interested in how the U.S. does not directly fund the educational system. My plans are to eventually be a university teacher/ author, but I am not deterred at all in my endeavors. The funny thing is that I am currently taking Education 100 and my professor has mentioned this on a few occasions in term of the lack of proper funding for the educational system. He has written some books concerning this and other issues involved in the system. Now I am quite interested in hearing his side of the story let alone because he has been in the profession for so long.

 

[Anttaru]

Ah conspiracy flicks.

They're designed from the ground-up to include the most pertinent information to support their battle. They pull up the details people prefer not to know (example, how many people jumped from WTC on 9/11) to temporarily shock the reader/viewer. This makes forthcoming information much easier to process without bias because your brain is briefly in a state of limbo (from shock).

At this point in time it's not so much of a shock to many of us who already seen videos like these that do bring p valid points.

It's true when the FBI claimed to have retreaved a passport from ground zero placing blame on an afghan boy to be one of the terriorists. When in truth he's alive and dosn't know how to fly a plane.

Sure the passport could have been stolen, still the evidence was dismissed.

Comparrison to various plan crash sites indicate there is no way the debree from the crash site at the pentagon could have been totally obliterated. No luggage, no parts and peices, and most of all, no trace of the 6 ton titinium alloy jet turbines. Same case with the plane that suposidly crashed into the feild.

Question you must ask yourself is. Could the burning airplane fuel really have melted the turbines and the rest of the debree until there was no trace of it ?

No I haven't watched it, and because of that I won't comment on it. Yeah it sounds like every other conspiracy movie in existence - something to put in theatres or on ad-covered Internet sites with the bait of "the truth is right here!".

Is this one like that? I don't know, and I won't know. I'm not interested in spending well over an hour watching (what I would consider) dribble. Are they rallying for support against all these upper-echelon world powers? Are they even going to do anything? I doubt it.

This documentary is very evident. Anyone that can't find it evident, would surly be able to explain why tower 7 collapsed.

They collected info and made a drama flick that will attract viewers and generate revenue in some form or another.

Well how about that, a conspiracy in itself! Everything in this movie could be 1% of 12 different stories collected to make money for the authors.

Well the site posted with the entire documentary is an official site for the movie, and all of us who took the time to watch it, watched it for free, the way it was meant to be seen on the most part.

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For those who have no clue as to what the video is about. It about world domination and how events give governments an excuse to seize what they want/need, in order to maintain power.

The same forces run the oil companies might i add, which caused this boom in technology. You can read about machines that can output more energy than it was given that are denied a patten. Also many of those inventors have had their inventions conviscated and some of them have been imprisioned. In this world that makes anything that threatens to replace oil, even if it's totally enviromentally friendly, is in danger. To lease a a machine that can generate energy for free would halt the energy meters, and the ones in controll would have less of an effect.

Much of what i say will fly over heads, but for those who think i'm delusional, you need to ask yourselves, why won't they patten an invention that claims to generate energy and be emmission free at the same time.

 

[Zoner]

Question you must ask yourself is. Could the burning airplane fuel really have melted the turbines and the rest of the debree until there was no trace of it?

And yet they claimed to find fingerprints and DNA evidence to identify the bodies even tho they claim at the same time the fire was hot enough to vaporize 12 tons of titanium/steel alloy, lol

 

[Raesvelg]

Ironically, nobody has ever claimed that the planes were vaporized, except for conspiracy theorists who like to use tight-angle photos of the Pentagon and ignore the big fucking chunks of plane visible in all the decent shots.

 

[Rayn]

Ironically, nobody has ever claimed that the planes were vaporized, except for conspiracy theorists who like to use tight-angle photos of the Pentagon and ignore the big fucking chunks of plane visible in all the decent shots.

Also there were tapes that were confiscated of the crash in action on the Pentagon. Confisicating those tapes where they could easily support the crash is more damaging than helpful. The idea of those engines not being present is questionable as well.

 

[Anttaru]

I doubt it, since I pull my information from impartial sources, not idiots pushing agendas. Whatever information is provided in a production of this sort is flawed, spun, and mangled to fit. It's the same thing Michael Moore does, pick an argument and hammer the truth until it's malleable enough to fit your mold.

There are 2 sides to every argument. Some feel it's autimatic in nature to live out the truth.

Let's see though.

First 5 minutes, pretentious film school crap. Oppressive score, LOOK AT THIS, IT'S IMPORTANT!

If they start chipping us up and invade our privacy giving them ultimate control, then what ?

Next, someone is ignorant enough to think that the secular powers and religious powers are somehow in league, rather than their historical policy of being at odds with one another. Then prattles on about truth, while obviously not knowing much about it.

If you know anything about Muslam and Christian religions, you'll know they speak of the same profits. Muslams talk about Moses and they talk about Jesus, they call him BHU or something of that nature. None the less even the most extreme muslam activists believe in Christ.

Now someone gives you partial sets of information about various religious figures throughtout history as if it's some sort of revelation, fudges a fair amount of information, hammers what remains until it fits, and then draws comparisons between things when it's a well known fact that religions in general and Christianity in particular borrowed a great deal of what they use from previous religions. Again, no new information, just spin.

For some not all.

Next, more tired old 9/11 conspiracy shite. I'm honestly not even gonna bother going into detail on this. It's not worthy of the effort.

Why they felt the need to throw Kennedy assassination conspiracy theories in is beyond me.

If it wern't for 911, Americal would be facing a major oil crisis right now. Basically you'd be limiting you're PC time right about now.

And as for why they put Kennedy in there. Haven't you listened to what he was saying ? He was speaking out against the forces that control even him.

Then it moves to banking, and amusingly contradicts itself on a couple occasions, while demonstrating a complete lack of comprehension of economics.

It's no secret that Americas economics is based on debt. You did know this right ? It's said they owe more money than there is in the world. Where do you think the trillions of dollars to go to war comes from ?

For the record the Canadian loonie is at 98 cents right now, So the Ameo money they speak of. That would be like Canadians consolidating you're debts, which i hope dosn't happen. America already owes us billions.

Then we shift to causes of war, hoaxes causing war, mistakes causing war, and war implied as a tool of our putatitve economic overlords. Our overlords are moving towards a world government in order enslave us, our overlords are working in secret to control every facet of our lives, etc etc.

Blah blah blah

So why did Bush decide to dethroneand excecute Saddam 2 decades after he did that massive slaughter ? And why are they still stationed in Iraq ? (which happens to be smack in the middle east where the oil is at.

I stand by my orignal assessment. No new information. No genuine truth. Just slick packaging, thinly veiled agendas, and about as much actual understanding as you'd get taking a course at your local community college, assuming the instructor is a strung-out hippy that's been living in denial for the last 40 years.

The video is based on logic. Why was Kennedy really assisanated ? He wasn't a war monger like most American presidents.

Let this be a lesson to you: While it is truly said that just because something is on television, that doesn't make it true, the reverse argument also holds. Just because it's not mainstream doesn't mean it's true. It just means it's not popular.

That's anoter thing they covered in the video, the television. That guy had a very good speech which did make alot of sense. You would agree with that.

Fox news is mainstream, and look how many times they got caught talking shit to the public. Even up to now there are people who believe what altered media Fox mentioned.

To each their own, and if someone wants to believe whatever, they should be left to do so without having to defend what appears to be logicial speculation.

 

[Raesvelg]

If you know anything about Muslam and Christian religions, you'll know they speak of the same profits.

I realize it's a typo, but this has more truth than anything that was posted in that awful conspiracy video.

If it wern't for 911, Americal would be facing a major oil crisis right now. Basically you'd be limiting you're PC time right about now.

Are you totally batshit insane? Seriously. "If you didn't have a war with a country that you haven't actually exploited for oil, there'd be an oil crisis on!" News flash, Iraq doesn't provide that much oil. If we wanted it, we could have had it for free, simply by throwing our weight behind the factions wishing to end sanctions in Iraq. They wanted to sell their oil, we were preventing it from happening. Apparently, you just weren't paying attention for more than a decade.

And as for why they put Kennedy in there. Haven't you listened to what he was saying ? He was speaking out against the forces that control even him.

I understand the theory, I question the relevance.

It's no secret that Americas economics is based on debt. You did know this right ? It's said they owe more money than there is in the world. Where do you think the trillions of dollars to go to war comes from ?

Actually, our economy is based on the same thing economies have been based on since the dawn of the concept, namely labor. Man hours. WORK. It's an inflationary system now, which it wasn't before, but that's also true for most of the world.

So why did Bush decide to dethroneand excecute Saddam 2 decades after he did that massive slaughter ? And why are they still stationed in Iraq ? (which happens to be smack in the middle east where the oil is at.

Of course there's interest in the oil, in the more abstract sense that there is interest in a stable Middle East. Bush is guilty of hubris and ignorance, in believing that his crew could establish a stable democracy founded on western principles in the area, and do so after fighting a war. Just because it worked in Japan and West Germany doesn't mean it will work somewhere else.

The video is based on logic. Why was Kennedy really assisanated ? He wasn't a war monger like most American presidents.

Honestly, that statement alone makes you not worth talking to. If you knew anything about Kennedy, you'd never have said it.

 

[CmdrFly]

Well the site posted with the entire documentary is an official site for the movie, and all of us who took the time to watch it, watched it for free, the way it was meant to be seen on the most part.

That doesn't mean money isn't involved. Who's to say it isn't the government funding these guys to distract the citizens while they launch some unmentionable covert op elsewhere? Pay the guys, pay for the site, demand it be ad-free to make it look like there's no $ driving the cause.

 

[smalls]

The same forces run the oil companies might i add, which caused this boom in technology. You can read about machines that can output more energy than it was given that are denied a patten. Also many of those inventors have had their inventions conviscated and some of them have been imprisioned. In this world that makes anything that threatens to replace oil, even if it's totally enviromentally friendly, is in danger. To lease a a machine that can generate energy for free would halt the energy meters, and the ones in controll would have less of an effect.

Much of what i say will fly over heads, but for those who think i'm delusional, you need to ask yourselves, why won't they patten an invention that claims to generate energy and be emmission free at the same time.

i assume you are talking about perpetual motion devices. yes they do exist but they really cant put out any power and most of them never worked at all.

Devising such inoperable machines has become common enough that the United States Patent and Trademark Office has made an official policy of refusing to grant patents for perpetual motion machines without a working model. One reason for this concern, according to various skeptics, is that a few "inventors" have used official patents to convince gullible potential investors that their machine is "approved" by the Patent Office.

this is why they never got pattens for their devices. and they were never arrested for pushing their Machines as alternative power sources, they were arrested because they were stealing money from people.