Everyones Needs To See This

[Thelona]

Yeah, the whole 9/11 conspiracy, the Kennedy conspiracy, etc.etc. are all actaully false government conspiracies, created by the government, to hide the real government conspiracies, the mind control serum in the vapor trails put out by airliners, by talking about the false government conspiracies, created by the government, you just playing into the governments true government conspiracy!(confused yet? GOOD! that means your getting it!)

See Dick Cheney is actaully a dread lich, hovering somewhere between the realm of life and death, he needs the blood of innocent Iraqi children to sate his evil thirst, and to grant him super powers of mass oppression! Don't look him the eye or he will steal your soul, or just shoot you in the face with a shotgun.

 

[Romper]

Regarding the current situation in Iraq why does Dick Chaney not admit to what he said back in 1992, 1994, and 1996 about how if we toppled the Saddam regime would cause utter chaos? He hasn't said it yet after a second time in Iraq. Sorry that I choose not to believe people who say one thing that was still evident to happen but not even acknowledge it 11, 9, and 7 years later?

 

[Anttaru]

Are you totally batshit insane? Seriously. "If you didn't have a war with a country that you haven't actually exploited for oil, there'd be an oil crisis on!"

Before America invaded Iraq (for the 2nd time) they were very low on patrollium. There was higher demand for oil. Gasoline prices was already flying. America took action to prevent the system from running out. We already reached the peak of oil and incase since you never knew. The shortages in oil shows face. Supply and demand = higher prices.

News flash, Iraq doesn't provide that much oil. If we wanted it, we could have had it for free, simply by throwing our weight behind the factions wishing to end sanctions in Iraq. They wanted to sell their oil, we were preventing it from happening. Apparently, you just weren't paying attention for more than a decade.

Golf War ring any bells ?

Iraq at one point tried to destroy their oil. It was the Americans that put out the flames in the oil feilds while invading them the first time. How can one deny that ?

As for Iraq selling their oil. They are the 2nd largest known supply on the planet. And they did sell it in the multibillions to companies around the world, including Daimler Chrysler. Transitions were still being made even in 2005 to over 200 oil companies world wide for over 60 billion. Go check it out then you can talk to me about it.

I understand the theory, I question the relevance.

The relevence to Kennedy being in the video talking about going against the people who run the world ? Urging the people of the United States to tackle this same force of personel controls America. "Who's favour does it work in when Kennedy is shot dead now ?"

Actually, our economy is based on the same thing economies have been based on since the dawn of the concept, namely labor. Man hours. WORK. It's an inflationary system now, which it wasn't before, but that's also true for most of the world.

Well we're not looking at communism where everyone gets a set amount here. And sure everyone must work in order for things to progress. But we're looking at the scheme behind the american dollar. How each dollar that is made deepens the dept. Alot of countries are still waiting for America to pay them back their billions. Instead they send us Condoleezza Rice.

Of course there's interest in the oil, in the more abstract sense that there is interest in a stable Middle East. Bush is guilty of hubris and ignorance, in believing that his crew could establish a stable democracy founded on western principles in the area, and do so after fighting a war. Just because it worked in Japan and West Germany doesn't mean it will work somewhere else.

Heh. Have you already forgotten the "excuse" as to why the US invaded Iraq in the first place ? It was to find weapons of mass destruction, as though Saddam was part of Al-Qaeda, meanwhile Osama (who resides in another country) was the one being blamed.

They did not find any weapons of mass destruction. And if their goal was to make a more stable middle east, then the US should have stayed out of it to begin with. Is that not true ?

Honestly, that statement alone makes you not worth talking to. If you knew anything about Kennedy, you'd never have said it.

I was being sarcastic. I already mentioned in these boards that every American president commited atleast 1 act of war.

 

[Anttaru]

That doesn't mean money isn't involved. Who's to say it isn't the government funding these guys to distract the citizens while they launch some unmentionable covert op elsewhere? Pay the guys, pay for the site, demand it be ad-free to make it look like there's no $ driving the cause.

Make no mistake, people out there have money, and would feel no way paying out of their pocket towards a webhost to support their grand gestures. In todays world any fool can do this as a thing on the side.

The video demotes how the government is ruling. It frowns on the chip implant, it points out the obvious at ground zero, and at Pentagon, such as items wernt just crushed, they were smashed to smitherines and burned up, and it inquires about the conviscated survailence video from the hotel that captured the footage of the pentagon getting blown up that the FBI considers classified.

 

[Antor]

Just an aside, but I love how most every Canadian I've met "knows" more about the United States and its history than Americans do. Quite honestly it's why I left the place.

 

[Halifirien]

Just an aside, but I love how most every Canadian I've met "knows" more about the United States and its history than Americans do. Quite honestly it's why I left the place.

It wouldn't surprise me if Canadians knew more about American history than Americans. Have you ever seen those segments on Leno? /shudder

 

[Anttaru]

i assume you are talking about perpetual motion devices. yes they do exist but they really cant put out any power and most of them never worked at all.

Assume not.

Perpetual motion does not generate energy. Unless ofcoarse the machine was mostly gravity based and it was large enough to withsatand the breaking effects of hooking up a alternator belt to it and move fast enough at the same time.

As much as i'd like to say the Magnet/Gravity based perpetual motion machines are truly perpetual, they are not. Only cause there comes a time the Magnet will lose it's charge. Still the machines are wonderful, arn't they.

I'm talking about The Wardenclyffe Tower that was made by Nikola Tesla. and energy-efficient machines, that prouduce mroe energy than they are given.

this is why they never got pattens for their devices. and they were never arrested for pushing their Machines as alternative power sources, they were arrested because they were stealing money from people.

There is alot of fraud happening in this persuit because an actual device that can generate energy would change the tides of currency in a major way.

There are many inventions that are pattend that don't work. But anything that goes against the laws of thermal dynamics, is denied right off the bat.

Science's laws also states how it's impossible for magnets to recycle motion in any alignment. You already seen what people are doing with neodymium magnets these days. Machines operating without electricity and left on at all times. Sure they'll stop eventually, but not in this lifetime.

Any inventor that creates an alternative to oil is screwing with the force that controls.

 

[Anttaru]

Just an aside, but I love how most every Canadian I've met "knows" more about the United States and its history than Americans do. Quite honestly it's why I left the place.

I never said i was better than anyone.

Even our educational system is brought up every now and then, it's still not that bad though.

Feel free to elaborate about us though.

 

[Stouter]

TY seriously you are gonna judge the truth of this documentary and you just skimmed though it didnt even watch the whole video wtf man. Honestly things in this video makes more logical sence then alot of aspect that I see in religion today. As far as the 911 shit goes ask how many ppl think that this government had something todo with it. That shit was planned for the very reasons you see today to scare and make ppl angry so they would "agree" with this war on terror thats not even benefiting us. Bottom line WAR IS NOT GOOD FOR ANYONE PERIOD. With the powers that be will always find a reason to start or get involved with any given war to scare and manipulate ppl into thinking that we need them for protection. Ppl make alot of money off wars and the protection they trick us into thinking we need. We as a country had no busniess gettin involved with world war 1, 2, veitnam, and afganastan, iraq.

I realize this video is only 1 of hundreds youll find of its kind. But its going in the right direction in pointing out now only who these powers that be are, buy why and how they are doing what they are doing to society. I realize that they might have gotten some fact wrong but as far as all the religious stuff this is a very good video @ disproving alot these faith based religions. But I doubt alot of heavly religion ppl will believe it because there all SCARED of going to hell and this is ways to far off the norm for them grasp the mangitute of it

That's the biggest problem with videos of this kind. They go so overboard trying to get a point across that they include misleading, and often false information, while ignoring the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

World Trade Centers were a controlled demolition, that's why they fell so fast and didn't simply "tip over." They were designed to withstand the impact of a plane crash.

Watch any controlled demolition video, you will see one major difference between all of them and what happed to the towers, the explosions start at the base. They didn't tip over because of how they are designed, how gravity works, and the part of them that failed. When the support for one floor is no longer able to support the weight above it, everything above will fall down. A small bend and the added weight transferred from the complimentary members is enough to make them buckle, and gravity pulls it down, not sideways. A 12 foot drop is enough to make similar sections of other floors react in the same manner, and the whole structure collapses. They were built after a small plane collided with the Empire State Building, and designed to withstand an impact of the largest plane of the day, which is considerably smaller than the 767's that hit them. And you know what? They did withstand the impact of the jets that hit them. They did not withstand the fire caused by the several tons of jet fuel catching office furniture, carpet, and everything else on fire, and the impact took enough of the fireproofing insulation off enough members for them to get hot enough to buckle under the pressure.

It's pretty much common knowledge to anyone who reads that the US gov't knew about the Pearl Harbor attacks before they actually happened.
You're subject to your own opinion on why/how it happened, but the gov't knowing of the Pearl Harbor attacks is not "some crap".

Just because information had reached parts of our government doesn't mean that those with the power to do something about it were informed and convinced that is was credible.

If it wern't for 911, Americal would be facing a major oil crisis right now. Basically you'd be limiting you're PC time right about now.

What part of 9-11 helped our current oil crisis in any way? We get more oil from Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, and Venezuela than all other nations combined. Which of those nations views us more favorably now than they did before 9-11?

Comparrison to various plan crash sites indicate there is no way the debree from the crash site at the pentagon could have been totally obliterated. No luggage, no parts and peices, and most of all, no trace of the 6 ton titinium alloy jet turbines. Same case with the plane that suposidly crashed into the feild.

Question you must ask yourself is. Could the burning airplane fuel really have melted the turbines and the rest of the debree until there was no trace of it ?

The question you must ask yourself is: who is even saying that all traces of the jets including the turbines were destroyed besides the conspiracy theorists? Comparison to what plane crashes? Ones that didn't involve enough jet fuel to fly a jumbo jet 3,000 miles?


Lost the quote but the Tower 7 collapse is wild speculation from people that saw the video of it and said it must have been a controlled demolition. Forget the fact that firefighters were fighting a losing cause there for several hours before it fell, and evacuated themselves before it collapsed because they couldn't suppress the fire, and forget the fact that no explosive and detonator could survive that blaze and be in working condition for a controlled demolition.




Misinformation and misleading, one sided information is no way to make an argument. For all the conspiracy claims made about 9-11 there's a wall of experts in engineering explaining why the things happened that seem wrong to the laymen, yet nobody with a firm grasp of physics, gravity, or engineering with a credible argument disproving those experts.

 

[Blackchaoshero]

i found the mythological and religious parts of this movie interesting, also, i learned a bit about the economy and the way the world works, banking ect. i smacked my forehead and groaned when it got tot he 911 part. my opinion on 911? i don't care. the things i do know and care about are the aftermath of the event, the military deployments because they affect my life and job.

let me set you strait here. people who believe 911 was a conspiracy will believe no matter what you say. they can pull a crackpot theory out of the air much faster than you can gather hard evidence. its like telling a priest there is no god. welcome to the internet, all of your carefully considered arguments can and will be ignored. posting this is ironic because its a carefully considered argument and will probably be ignored.

 

[Uzor]

Thanks for the summary, it told me everything I need to know. Nothing new here, just the same conspiracy theories that have been kicking around for years, packaged into a slick format for the easily influenced.

The religion part isn't a conspiration theory. I've been reading a lot of religion for a long time, and he's come to the same conclusions I have. Religion is mainly a tool to control the population.

No, it weren't created by this government to control the people. But those in power still use it to control the people.

Religion is believed:

By the common man to be true
By the wise man to be false
By the leaders to be a tool

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No, I don't neccesarily find the 9/11 conspiracy theory to be 100% true, nor do I necessarily believe that John F Kennedy's death is a conspiracy theory. For all we know, he were killed by the mafia due to having an affair with Marilyn Monroe. Joe DiMaggio were involved in the maffia, and were very upset about her death.

I say its like in South Park. The conspiracy theories surounding 9/11 are a conspiracy theory in themselves that the government made to prevent people from thinking they're lacking control ;p

 

[Damita]

So yeah... There's so many ways to spin crap to make it however you want.
Couple of things...

1. As ugly as reality is, war is a crucial and critical part of social development. This is definately not a PC thought but look at ancient history and the evolution of "civil" society, and you'll see numerous humanitarian atrocities. You can go on all the religious/military/gvt/economic control spins on this but all have had and have stakes in war.

2. From personal experience, I knew people that died in the tower collapse. I worked for MetLife at the time and was on the phone with folks when everything happened. Talking about fucking with you psyche for a bit... Anyway so, I take exceptions to alot of the 9/11 conspiracy and crap theories. I won't say with a 100% that the gvt was unaware, but I tend to lean away from that.

Also, since I grew up in a military town, I've heard a number of personal stories of the Pentagon crash from both civilians and military personnel. Unless aliens or a gvt mind wiping device brainwashed all of them, I have to believe that a freakin flying plane crashed into the buildng.

I've got to agree with Raes, Stouts, and some of the other folks. Go do your own research and make your own decisions. It's a free world. You make your mind up, and I reserve the right to call you an ignorant ijiot. We don't have to all agree.

From a cynic's standpoint, it wouldn't be the first time widespread ignorance causes action. Go go Bush.

 

[Tristam Green]

it wouldn't be the first time widespread ignorance causes action.

epic.

 

[Raesvelg]

Before America invaded Iraq (for the 2nd time) they were very low on patrollium. There was higher demand for oil. Gasoline prices was already flying. America took action to prevent the system from running out. We already reached the peak of oil and incase since you never knew. The shortages in oil shows face. Supply and demand = higher prices.

Not really. There was no major shortage of oil, gas costs more NOW than it did THEN, and as I said, if we really wanted Iraq's oil, we could have bought it for less than the war cost.

This is an exercise in region-building, not a grab for oil.

Golf War ring any bells ?

Tiger Woods vs All Comers in a battle to the death!

Iraq at one point tried to destroy their oil. It was the Americans that put out the flames in the oil feilds while invading them the first time. How can one deny that ?

I can deny it, because you're an idiot. That was KUWAIT that got set on fire the first time. We never attacked Iraqi soil in the first Gulf War.

As for Iraq selling their oil. They are the 2nd largest known supply on the planet. And they did sell it in the multibillions to companies around the world, including Daimler Chrysler. Transitions were still being made even in 2005 to over 200 oil companies world wide for over 60 billion. Go check it out then you can talk to me about it.

I'm aware that Iraq has enormous oil reserves. I'm also aware that a great deal of their production capacity got taken out in the latest war, that they were not allowed to sell their oil for the preceding decade, and that the French and Russians were perfectly happy to keep it that way, seeing as they had their own investments in the "Oil for Food" program.

I love how you decided that a German company is somehow relevant to a discussion of the US invading Iraq to steal their oil.

The relevence to Kennedy being in the video talking about going against the people who run the world ? Urging the people of the United States to tackle this same force of personel controls America. "Who's favour does it work in when Kennedy is shot dead now ?"

Um... It works in nobody's favor. Hence why I question the relevance.

Well we're not looking at communism where everyone gets a set amount here. And sure everyone must work in order for things to progress. But we're looking at the scheme behind the american dollar. How each dollar that is made deepens the dept. Alot of countries are still waiting for America to pay them back their billions. Instead they send us Condoleezza Rice.

A.) Lend-Lease.

B.) The "Each dollar creates more debt" isn't the way it actually works. It's a simplistic understanding of the system that fails on multiple levels, and no, I don't have to explain it to you.

They did not find any weapons of mass destruction. And if their goal was to make a more stable middle east, then the US should have stayed out of it to begin with. Is that not true ?

Hence the hubris of Bush & Co. thinking that their plan would work. If it had worked, then yes, it would be a more stable middle east, with a powerful oil-rich country situated in the middle and a stable democracy with a vested interest in peace. It's blindingly obvious what they wanted to do, they fudged the information to get the war, and then dropped the ball in executing their plan.

However.

We don't know what would have happened had they not gone in. Assume we decide to lift the sanctions. Prior history shows that Saddam would immediately try to get WMDs, since he thought they were neat as tits. Saddam did fund terrorism, just not Al Qaeda. It certainly wouldn't have aided in regional stability in the long run to leave his family in power.

I was being sarcastic. I already mentioned in these boards that every American president commited atleast 1 act of war.

Backpedal faster, maybe you can escape with a little of your dignity.

 

[Tristam Green]

I was being sarcastic. I already mentioned in these boards that every American president commited atleast 1 act of war.

lolWilliamHenryHarrison.

 

[smalls]

I'm talking about The Wardenclyffe Tower that was made by Nikola Tesla. and energy-efficient machines, that prouduce mroe energy than they are given.

i know this is a bit off topic but im interested in what machines you are talking about the only other thing i can think of is cold fusion which no one seems to be able to figure out.

as for teslas tower we are using that technology all over the world today. and while it seems he wanted to make some way to transmit electric power through the earth somehow. you have to remember tesla was as crazy as he was brilliant. he claimed he could do a lot of things, whether or not he actually could i guess we'll never know.

 

[Linhjah]

For those of you wondering Zeitgeist means time ghost. Haven't watched it yet, but reading what Red has posted chances are it's going to be wrong and blame war. By the way wrong section.

I thought Zeitgeist meant "spirit of the time". Zeitgeist was the name of my bestfriend's high school newspaper. My best friend also took 4 years of German, and that is how she explained it to me (this was, of course, years ago). Spirit and ghost can mean the same thing, but in this case, I interpret spirit as:

an attitude or principle that inspires, animates, or pervades thought, feeling, or action

 

[Elixer]

My forum title means 'unconventional thinker'. After watching this movie, I looked up a few things they mentioned. And from the way things are looking and with consideration for how long certain things would take.. I would say things will end up the way the movie says within the 150 years, or essentially by 2150 AD. Remember - that's considering it took them sixty years just to get up to the point where the NAU would be considered. This is all very good philosophical material - especially good for an online game a friend of mine runs. I'm going to let him take a look at it and see what he thinks. I'm also going to let several of my friends know about this.
In any case... when watching this movie, you must absolutely have an open mind. Any bit of closed-mindedness will ruin the entire thing due to that one thing snapping your mind shut and therefore telling your brain that the entire thing is false. Where-as with a fully, non-constrained open mind you can consider everything and think about it. I think the OP should place a notice in his first post to let people know to have an open mind before watching. Considering that anyone who cannot will immediately snap back and consider everything to be false. I support certain aspects of the government, but I'm no patriot - I think for myself.
I'd continue talking, but I'd end up repeating myself and going in circles... must think more.

 

[Anttaru]

Not really. There was no major shortage of oil, gas costs more NOW than it did THEN, and as I said, if we really wanted Iraq's oil, we could have bought it for less than the war cost.

There were shortages and rising demand in oil from a long while now, when was the last time gasoline was at 60 cents ? And the price is even higher now yes, that's to be expected is it not ?

Iraq has 112 Billion barrels in reserve, it'll pay off in the long run.

This is an exercise in region-building, not a grab for oil.

The Bush family has always been into the oil business
Iraq's oil is being sold now, and the Bush adminastration handles the money. The Russians and the french at one point were the only ones that were able to refine Iraq oil. It wouldn't be like that in Saddam wasn't dethroned, which makes for a more efficient oil industry.

Tiger Woods vs All Comers in a battle to the death!

lol Yes Tiger's career was hitting the news stands everywhere during that period.

I can deny it, because you're an idiot. That was KUWAIT that got set on fire the first time. We never attacked Iraqi soil in the first Gulf War.

Yes you're right about that, it was Kuwait that got set a blaze.

I'm aware that Iraq has enormous oil reserves. I'm also aware that a great deal of their production capacity got taken out in the latest war, that they were not allowed to sell their oil for the preceding decade, and that the French and Russians were perfectly happy to keep it that way, seeing as they had their own investments in the "Oil for Food" program.

Very efficent consumption.

I love how you decided that a German company is somehow relevant to a discussion of the US invading Iraq to steal their oil.

US have been taking part in Iraq's oil sales since 2003

Again, over 200 companies world wide in 2005. I could have mentioned any company that makes large purchases, including American companies. The Bush adminastration is handeling the cash flow from it all.

Um... It works in nobody's favor. Hence why I question the relevance.

He was silenced, and that is all there is to it.

A.) Lend-Lease.

B.) The "Each dollar creates more debt" isn't the way it actually works. It's a simplistic understanding of the system that fails on multiple levels, and no, I don't have to explain it to you.

There is no explination in this response to begin with.

Hence the hubris of Bush & Co. thinking that their plan would work. If it had worked, then yes, it would be a more stable middle east, with a powerful oil-rich country situated in the middle and a stable democracy with a vested interest in peace. It's blindingly obvious what they wanted to do, they fudged the information to get the war, and then dropped the ball in executing their plan.

However.

We don't know what would have happened had they not gone in. Assume we decide to lift the sanctions. Prior history shows that Saddam would immediately try to get WMDs, since he thought they were neat as tits. Saddam did fund terrorism, just not Al Qaeda. It certainly wouldn't have aided in regional stability in the long run to leave his family in power.

For the record I don't support Saddam in any way, he did use Chemical weapons on a small scale, about a decade ago.

2 decades ago, the US supplied Iraq with hundreads of millions of dollars worth of weapons, as Iraq raged war aginst Iran. Iraq considered the US to be one of their Allies, and it wasn't until Iraq started beef with Saudi Arabia, the tables turned.

What's happened since the dethroning of Saddam, is Iraq and Iran have made peace with one another, neither of them wish for the US to remain in Iraq. the US does not speak to Iran up to this day.

The bigger question is, what would happen if the US left Iraq ? Would the Al qaeda continue to kill the people of Iraq, even though they are funded by
10 billion dollars that was suposidly extracted from the food for oil program by Saddam ? Or would things simmer down ?

Backpedal faster, maybe you can escape with a little of your dignity.

Bring it.

 

[Rayn]

What's happened since the dethroning of Saddam, is Iraq and Iran have made peace with one another, neither of them wish for the US to remain in Iraq. the US does not speak to Iran up to this day.

The bigger question is, what would happen if the US left Iraq ? Would the Al qaeda continue to kill the people of Iraq, even though they are funded by
10 billion dollars that was suposidly extracted from the food for oil program by Saddam ? Or would things simmer down ?

The main reason Iraq and Iran have become allies is that both are Shiite dominated governments. Iran is a major power in the region and Saudi Arabia fears Iran due to Saudi Arabia being a Sunni dominated country. Islam is an interesting religion since extremists of the two major schools of Islam, Shiite and Sunni do not get along. I mean look for example at the refugee outbreak in Lebanon not to long ago. Fatah Islam was a Palestinian group that was Sunni. Hezbollah is a Lebanese group that is Shiite. Hezbollah wanted Fatah Islam out of the refugee camps and denounced the group from the get-go. Al-Qaida is a Sunni extremist group and of course they would be killing Shiites and even some of their own to silence dissent. Why do you think Prime Minister Al-Maliki has been so impotent in trying to get his country united? Most of his parliament is filled with Shiites and the Baath party of Saddam's group is only now getting seats along with Sunni's becoming a little more prominent.

What would happen if the U.S. left Iraq?

A whole shit load of problems obviously. Iran funds Hezbollah and Syrian functions which I can only speculate that it is for Iran to have more allies on it's side in the region. I had a Lebanese friend who grew up in Tripoli and his mother is Sunni and his father is Shiite. Both in-laws dislike the other and do not support the marriage, but that is the wonderous thing about Love.

Anyways,

Al-Qaida has the intention of setting up an Islamic state in Iraq but hopefully that will not happen. Only the future can tell.