F*** SE and here SCH (PUP Discussion)

So how bout that Scholar?
 
K. Ishitar said:
Still, you think at least they let them do the questable wses for their main choice of weapon, every job has access to one at least but pup gets none.
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edit: was checking sublimation on wiki and noticed sch doesn't get one either so they're two of a kind in that respect not that it matters
 
NandabaNaota said:
So how bout that Scholar?
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I think the spells given to SCH with this recent update is so it can help in sticky situations better then it use to. SCH doesn't affect the main purpose of either WHM, BLM, or RDM. It got better nukes and better debuffs. this gives SCH more alot more oppurtunitiess to sub other jobs.
 
K. Ishitar said:
edit: was checking sublimation on wiki and noticed sch doesn't get one either so they're two of a kind in that respect not that it matters
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It isn't as severe for them though, I think.
If you think about it, PUP get's it's new Animator and SCH gets Klimaform. I can't make an arguement for why DNC get's a Chakram yet has eviseration, so shut up.
 
hellstorm said:
I agree with this they gotten very lazy as of late. They instead of widening the uniqueness of jobs they have closed it almost completely. Thf big thing was shark bite and dancing edge and in some ways sneak attack. Both no longer exclusive. stealing mazuka from brds. Then sch pretty much taken away half of whm and blm arsonal, and 1 rdm exclusive spell. Then there also the raise II which rdm been asking for years. Yes, I agree they needed a bump and this certainly is a bump, but i wish they could have at least gone exclusive instead of copy cating spells/ablities.
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... They haven't stolen anything.. DNC's Mazurka is self-only. The party buff version is still exclusive to BRD. Dispel was never RDM exclusive. BRD had it to. A RDM won't suddenly get less party invites just because SCH now have Dispel too. Other then a few exceptions, you don't invite a RDM because they have Dispel. Additionally, a SCH won't be invited as a main healer over a WHM. If there is no WHM, then perhaps the SCH can get an invite. As for BLM, SCH still don't get close to BLM, neither damage nor accuracy wise.

In no way does it hurt the other jobs to give SCH higher tiered White Magic and Black Magic spells. SCH was always meant to be masters in both schools, but not better than the experts in either. RDM's was never meant to be masters in either, they were meant to be a support job that help the others out by weakening the enemy and buffing the allies. Pretty much the exact opposite of bard, that put greater focus on buffing party members than weakening the opponent.
 
Xalioniaf said:
It isn't as severe for them though, I think.
If you think about it, PUP get's it's new Animator and SCH gets Klimaform. I can't make an arguement for why DNC get's a Chakram yet has eviseration, so shut up.
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Its actually better for DNC to get a range weapon over a dagger. That Chakram have CHR+3 and can be used to buff your Waltzes, and can be used for a long time. Unless their dagger would have had amazing stats, it wouldn't even have been used.
 
Uzor said:
Its actually better for DNC to get a range weapon over a dagger. That Chakram have CHR+3 and can be used to buff your Waltzes, and can be used for a long time. Unless their dagger would have had amazing stats, it wouldn't even have been used.
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I'm talking more about weapon skills. Although I'm liking that they're not just giving them crappy main hand weapons the person'll never use.
Although I thought SCH got Retribution? Eh... there's always Bard.
 
Xalioniaf said:
It isn't as severe for them though, I think.
If you think about it, PUP get's it's new Animator and SCH gets Klimaform. I can't make an arguement for why DNC get's a Chakram yet has eviseration, so shut up.
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I know lol, i just wanted to correct that distinction I made, pup should get Asuran Fists imo, best weapon they can use is wagh claws at the moment, sch doesn't matter but i thought I should mention it before someone said so.
 
Uzor said:
You have to remember, though, if the master's melee capabilities were on-par with MNK, they would be grossly overpowered. And SE wouldn't want that. That is one of the reasons people don't like PUP, as they look on the master and ignore the pet, then go "lolPUP".
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Sure. But similar equipment != similar melee capabilities. See: BST/NIN vs WAR/NIN, and those 2 even have the same weapon rating on Axe.

2 Levels less of martial arts, No Destroyers, and roughly 50 less skill base on their weapon coupled with no kick attacks, no Asuran Fists, would still leave PUP quite far behind MNK.

PUP being "too close" to MNK is a poor excuse for giving a melee job mage equipment since at the high end, the equipment would be pretty much the same anyhow assuming usukane set>other equip (which may not be the case, but I've never seen the two compared). All I'm saying is that they should be consistant in what type of gear they give it.
 
Ramzi said:
after this damd update i can say im finally ready to quit this game, they just F*** over all 3 mage jobs to thro into this abomination of a job SCH. and how the fuck does "Dispel" classify as BLM, when it RDM ONLY. Im sry for ranting but im sure im not the only Mage really F*** pissed atm by SE decision to give T4, and -na spells to a gimped job.
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Got you're PP stuck in a mouse trap again or something? lol
 
Liefe- Bst skill A- war A+

just to add
 
K. Ishitar said:
edit: was checking sublimation on wiki and noticed sch doesn't get one either so they're two of a kind in that respect not that it matters
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Uh, Scholar gets Black Halo the quested club WS.
 
Liefe said:
Sure. But similar equipment != similar melee capabilities. See: BST/NIN vs WAR/NIN, and those 2 even have the same weapon rating on Axe.

2 Levels less of martial arts, No Destroyers, and roughly 50 less skill base on their weapon coupled with no kick attacks, no Asuran Fists, would still leave PUP quite far behind MNK.

PUP being "too close" to MNK is a poor excuse for giving a melee job mage equipment since at the high end, the equipment would be pretty much the same anyhow assuming usukane set>other equip (which may not be the case, but I've never seen the two compared). All I'm saying is that they should be consistant in what type of gear they give it.
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Oh, I know. But a lot of people say that PUP suck simply because they aren't close to MNK in their melee capabilities.
 
Uzor said:
Oh, I know. But a lot of people say that PUP suck simply because they aren't close to MNK in their melee capabilities.
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The sad thing with PUP unlike jobs like MNK and WAR is that a poor PUP can't cover over the cracks with good gear. A PUP has to be able to play the job well to be good, whereas a MNK or WAR can just wear good gear and be just as good/better than a well geared/skilled PUP.
 
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