Final Fantasy Online

[Sharpe]

I hate people who say "wow sucks or ffxi sucks" It's all a matter of opinion, I like both WoW and FFXI i'm just not rich enough to play both. Also we all know Warhammer Online is going to be awesome (if they dont mess it up between now and release date).

 

[Stouter]

You are so full of it, House Party 2 kicked major ass.

 

[Dethan]

I'm too lazy to read all the Post but......................

Sup BST DRG PUP RNG DRK SMN THF PLD and any other job that's hardly ever used/useful in a party.

Omg you are SO wrong .


Game over

 

[Bajaratt]

I'm too lazy to read all the Post but......................




Omg you are SO wrong .


Game over

No, he's right, there haven't been ranger cannons in a year and a half. None of those jobs are "cannon jobs," regardless of their merits in a party(they're all good), they still don't cannon.

 

[Marajade]

No, he's right, there haven't been ranger cannons in a year and a half. None of those jobs are "cannon jobs," regardless of their merits in a party(they're all good), they still don't cannon.

Thanks to the advent of ToAU, RNG is back up to top-tier. Seriously, I can keep up with everything except a Ridil that i've exped with when i use top tier food and ammo. Most RNGs just gimp themselves with cheeper consumables.

 

[Blancho]

Rngers Pawn by far #1 damage dealers only job close would be DRK if they could fully unleash. I would love a RNG cannon with my brd. It'd be an easy 20k an hour. Especially up in Ulegraund(sp?) range which is still the best exp spot. My brother (Linkmager)who doesn't even have the best rng gear does 180-220normal hits and 1800+ sidewinders with my brd without still 160-200 normal hits and 1600+ sidewinders. No way anything can compete with that. Drk's might be able to out do a rng if they could go all out with best of everything. Wouldn't surprise me.

P.S.
IMO rng never really got gimped it seemed like it at first but from what I understood from rng's is that it just made 'em play differently and it actually it added more truth to the job a rng should lol have to stand back since that's what they are rngers. lol Gimped their tp but when you got barrage that kinda doesn't matter a whole lot. Evened the job out more since now they don't get tp like samurai's but their damage is still ungodly.

 

[Legomyeggo]

You obviously have no idea how DoT works if you think Ranger and Dark Knight are the top damage dealers.

Sure they can be in a cannon, but it's just too taxing to party with them when you have front line damage dealers running around to stay pinned up to the mob. They aren't what they were before and they pretty much never will be.

Omg you are SO wrong .

You must be new here.

 

[Blackchaoshero]

*YAWN* the funny part is, that this game, that is so terrible, sucks horribly in almost every aspect, keeps the testicles of half of the people on this board in little jars somewhere. it has you by the balls, you can't ever quite get away. just reading this board is the first step towards a return.

All of the people who say to just go to WoW... i mean seriously, is there ANYONE here who hasn't at least tried wow out by now? clearly some of us found WoW boring as XI.

Pro-tip, convert all of your play time to min wage and see how much money you could have made with a goddamn McJob. i get in the realm of 49k... at 10/h i could have broke 60 grand. if i converted all of my video game play time to 10/h.... god damn...

MMO's are... heh, well really they're a symptom of the problems within ourselves. if not XI then WoW or some other MMO maybe books or TV.. and we drift and drift while reality speeds past us, like a train you can on the edge of your vision, you can't help but feel the vibrations, hear the screeching see from the corner of your eye it's passing... and we do our best to ignore it by concentrating on these games. Last few months i've been forced to live without the net, booted back to primitive solitaire for entertainment. backing up really gives you a good view of the whole in perspective.

 

[Necrosis]

Thanks to the advent of ToAU, RNG is back up to top-tier. Seriously, I can keep up with everything except a Ridil that i've exped with when i use top tier food and ammo. Most RNGs just gimp themselves with cheeper consumables.

Who are you trying to kid?

Rngers Pawn by far #1 damage dealers only job close would be DRK if they could fully unleash. I would love a RNG cannon with my brd. It'd be an easy 20k an hour. Especially up in Ulegraund(sp?) range which is still the best exp spot. My brother (Linkmager)who doesn't even have the best rng gear does 180-220normal hits and 1800+ sidewinders with my brd without still 160-200 normal hits and 1600+ sidewinders. No way anything can compete with that. Drk's might be able to out do a rng if they could go all out with best of everything. Wouldn't surprise me.

P.S.
IMO rng never really got gimped it seemed like it at first but from what I understood from rng's is that it just made 'em play differently and it actually it added more truth to the job a rng should lol have to stand back since that's what they are rngers. lol Gimped their tp but when you got barrage that kinda doesn't matter a whole lot. Evened the job out more since now they don't get tp like samurai's but their damage is still ungodly.

Is this a joke? >_>

 

[Juvenile07]

those rng burns own

 

[Dowzer]

i hope it is... For the record, i'll say it, NIN WAR and MNK via around the top for ultimate damage output, mnk only when /war and that's an MP sponge almost always. at the same time, Rng can one-shot imps. parsing against rngs on low hp mobs is a bit unfair in some respects as it doesn't fully reflect the actual dmg of a longer haul mob. the rng barrages... now the other DD's have less than half the mobs hp to split. the rng Sidewinders, now there's a full fight with no damage for the others on the parse. of course, if you take them away from their cute selection of low hp flying mobs.... well, they wear cute hats and parachute pants, gotta count for something.

I don't think it's a joke, they're just somewhat misinformed...

I was in a RNG/NIN burn with Medicineman, rofl. Lemme tell you, if you think 5k~10k (tops) is a 'burn' or 'cannon'...Seriously, you want to cannon? GTFO and level a job that can exceed 15k/hour.

Being a 75RNG, yeah I have to agree with the above. The job is moreso a joke, it can hit huge numbers (even on non-piercing mobs) but lacks dot.

IMO, dot is more important than ws damage. I would say melee is about 60% from dot and 40% from WS. As a Ranger, it's very lopsided. It only takes 6-8 attacks to reach 100TP, depending on the weapon. Overall, I'd say we're the opposite in terms of totals; 40% damage is from dot and 60% from WS/Barrage. I haven't parsed these numbers, they are only a guestimate from my own gameplay. Rip my head off as you please.

Just like you noted, rangers can one shot Imps/Low HP flying mobs. Total truth...When I want to keep chains going in Mire, I'll pull an Imp with Barrage and finish it with Slugwinder. It all depends on the accuracy of Barrage, whether I two-shot it or finish with RA's.

RNG has it's own spot for certain HNM, that's about it IMO. A properly equipped RNG can hit Kirin for upwards of 1500~2000 Sidewinders. Fuck Sushi if you have 285/292 Archery. These numbers aren't being pulled from my ass!


Now, let me get to my big point. WAR/MNK/NIN do lead the parses as far as cookie cutter jobs, but SAM can also compete. Very rare in the case that I've been researching, but it has to be the most fun way to DD that I've ever seen.

SAM/WAR ~ Soboro/Yoichinoyumi

Spam no-hate Namas Arrow.

I believe Demyn from another server uses this setup to demolish meripo parses. Can't remember which server he's from.

After finishing STR, I'm erasing my combat merits and putting them back where they belong. (I had Sidewinder at lv53) Rampage at lv53 is much more enjoyable.

Even without merits, my scrawny no PCC and otherwise gimp equipped WAR hits 400~ Raging Axes. EDIT-War is only 42.

I played WAR back on Dowzer with a Kraken, 8/8 Axe, PCA, Attack food, you name it. Sadly it only reached lv68 before being permabanned. I believe it's time to do it again, but this time the focus will be on DOT rather than spamming Rampage c/o Klub.

 

[jamal]

Being a 75RNG, yeah I have to agree with the above. The job is moreso a joke, it can hit huge numbers (even on non-piercing mobs) but lacks dot.

IMO, dot is more important than ws damage.

I played WAR back on Dowzer with a Kraken, 8/8 Axe, PCA, Attack food, you name it. Sadly it only reached lv68 before being permabanned. I believe it's time to do it again, but this time the focus will be on DOT rather than spamming Rampage c/o Klub.

Agree with everything said above.

Observation (those close to me know how much this pisses me off)
This is directed at no one in particular, Just want to rant a little bit on the Effectiveness of Multi-hit weapons.

With the War/nin craze, many people are trying to TP asap for merit cannons. You'll notice TONS of people trying to use a Joyeuse...key word trying. Joyeuse is equipable at lvl 70, and no doubt, is a great piece of equipment, but it needs to be used in the right circumstances.

Check out the stats on various multi-hit weapons:
Ridill - Lvl 70. DMG 40 Occasionally Attacks 2-3 times.
Joyeuse - Lvl 70. DMG 35 Occasionally attacks twice.
Kraken Club - Lvl 63. DMG 11 Occasionally Attacks 2-8 times.
Mercurial Kris - Lvl 50. DMG 8. Occasionally Attacks 2-3 times.

Now lets check out WAR's respective skills to use these weapons:

Sword skill at 70:228 @75: 250
Club Skill at 70:223 @75: 240
Dagger Skill at 70:223 @75 240

Compare the above to the A or A+ weapons available to WAR.

Axe skill at 70:244 @75: 269
Great Axe Skill at 70: 251 @75:276

Maneater (Relatively easy to obtain via ENM or AH) has a latent/hidden effect of DMG 49 Attack +18 Acc+5 when tp <100 (includes WS). With this and Woody mainhanded, or Maneater main with Juggernaut offhand, you're going to do much more consistant damage then with a joyeuse offhanded. Will your tp gain be slightly slower? Yes, it will. But Joyeuse is DMG 35 with 250 Sword skill at lvl 75. If you have 0 Sword merits, both your acc and your dmg will be hurt Noticeably. If you want to test this, Equip an axe Main hand and look at your attack. Then switch and put Joyeuse (or test with any sword) in your main hand, and watch your Attack drop.

The key to overall dmg in a party is getting TP ASAP *While doing as much dmg as possible while tping*. Just because you can do 2 more rampages per hour with Joyeuse equipped does not mean you are doing more dmg overall. Joyeuse will have trouble doing any type of consistent dmg even to VT mobs. Then trying to use it on IT Mamools or Wyverns is just ludicrous. Even Ridill has limitations to a point. Without proper meriting, Ridill doesn't significantly increase dmg, as Even a WAR has only a B Sword Skill. Ridill DMG is 40, Joyeuse is 35, so both need an immense amount of Attack+ to help make up for the low dmg ratings on the weapons (in respect to Axes of the same lvl).

Joyeuse has its times to use it, but imo, merit cannons are not the time nor the place. Don't believe me? Parse a few cannons and see!

Don't even get me started on kclub lol

*end rant*

I've been saying it for forever. DOT is sooooooooooooooooooooo much more important then ws damage. WS dmg = epeen only, you want to win parses, DOT is where its at.

 

[Bajaratt]

DoT is easily more important that weapon skill or "spike" damage. DoT is why monk tops parses, since their weapon skills aren't nearly as good as rampage/jin/sidewinder. That's mainly because the stats on Asuran fists blow, but it's still nothing really special unless you're fighting skeletons.

 

[Blackchaoshero]

Is this a joke? >_>

i hope it is... For the record, i'll say it, NIN WAR and MNK via around the top for ultimate damage output, mnk only when /war and that's an MP sponge almost always. at the same time, Rng can one-shot imps. parsing against rngs on low hp mobs is a bit unfair in some respects as it doesn't fully reflect the actual dmg of a longer haul mob. the rng barrages... now the other DD's have less than half the mobs hp to split. the rng Sidewinders, now there's a full fight with no damage for the others on the parse. of course, if you take them away from their cute selection of low hp flying mobs.... well, they wear cute hats and parachute pants, gotta count for something.

 

[Dethan]

No, he's right, there haven't been ranger cannons in a year and a half. None of those jobs are "cannon jobs," regardless of their merits in a party(they're all good), they still don't cannon.

RNG is the weet dream of a End game. The game is not all about Partys right? . Also SMN since they dont get Hate lol.


And yes i'm only 70. But i have a lot of Lvl 75 end game friends and i've seen a lot of End game stuff I'm not a n00b

 

[Bajaratt]

RNG is the weet dream of a End game. The game is not all about Partys right? . Also SMN since they dont get Hate lol.


And yes i'm only 70. But i have a lot of Lvl 75 end game friends and i've seen a lot of End game stuff I'm not a n00b

The post you quoted was talking about parties, hell it was even in the sentence you quoted. Ranger is no longer the king of exp parties since almost 2 years ago; the job's merits in an endgame fight are irrelevant when looking to merit/exp parties. SMN is a great example of a job that sucks in exp but is great in endgame; their damage is pathetic but the fact that it's hateless is the only thing that makes it useful. Ranger isn't even the king of endgame anymore, they're definitely good but no longer the only thing you need to bring to kill something quickly; so your information is outdated at best. All that is completely irrelevant, however, because the only thing being discussed is experience points.

Ranger lost their position as the cannon job, they are a top-tier damage dealer(on some mobs, but then monk would be the king of Qutrubs but no one cares about them) but they've been replaced by the MNK/NIN/WAR combo. I've never heard of a rng in a mamool cannon getting 25k an hour like with the WAR/MNK/NIN setup. You might not be a noob(no one said you were, kinda defensive about that), but you're certainly misinformed.

 

[Dethan]

I think that i need to learn more about end game . Sorry ^^U

 

[naue]

so what?

what game sucks less?

I think after a certain point you have to decide if you want to play an MMO anymore, if you do, imo ffxi is the best one, even if a lot about it sucks, its still pretty fun after so many years, and you cant deny you didnt have a great time when it first came out.

you cant expect something thats been out for so long to stay flawless in your eyes, because after you begin to know something for so long, you begin to see its flaws.

I think that rule applies to much more than FFXI.

 

[Mai Ikari]

NIN WAR and MNK via around the top for ultimate damage output, mnk only when /war and that's an MP sponge almost always.

So many things wrong with that I don't even know where to begin. Isn't that a MNK in your sig? (though if that's its actual gear, I can start to understand why you'd say this, I sure hope it's not) You list NIN and MNK in the same place, so obviously you're not referring only to Ridill WARs. MNK/NIN is on par with NIN/WAR's damage output, so how come you bring out MNK and not NIN?

I think that i need to learn more about end game . Sorry ^^U

Hit 75, get some merits, and lurk BlueGartr for about 2 months, that'll get you some info. Please note that lurk is not the same as post, and I say that for your own safety.

Truth