Flameboard Rule interpretation

[jamal]

I was just wondering how this doesn't apply. I'm not arguing it should, just asking for justification:

umm sorry but this is the other side of the family... me and him have the same dad....his brother on his mom's side died....but ya thanks for calling him a liar bout that

LETTARZ

To me this is way over the line. My feelings are that no one deserves this kind of treatment, regardless of the transgressions they may have performed.

The post was reported and this was the response:

Its hard to interpret things in text. Much of the English connotation comes from the voice aspect. Wishing someone to die even as a joke is cold.

Even so, no personal information was posted, so to all the rule questions, this flame is fair game.

The first half I completely agree with. There is no grounds for wishing death to someone, jokingly or not. The thread is fair game yes, it does follow the rules. But that post and any responses to it shouldn't be shown in my opinion...isn't this the type of thing that should be moderated?

Not arguing with the decision, just would like feedback on how the decision was made.
Thanks.

Sorry, forgot the rule in question:

3) This forum is not to be used to flame or harass someone's real life. Any thread that containing this will be deleted.

 

[Makelith]

Wow, i totally missed that post. She totally was way over the line on that one.

With things like this i'd classify it into 3 catagories.

Between Friends: Would be something like what myrrh does on a fairly daily basis. "I'll kill you and your mom and then your dog!" A fairly obvious joke to anyone, but i'm sure there will always be the few that blow it up.

Between Strangers: Someone made you slightly angry, so it just comes out. "I hope you die a very painful death..." You don't actually want them to die, but you just don't want them to live anymore. They annoyed you, and you'll be over it in, oh say, about the time it takes to read this post.

Between Enemies: This one is made pretty malicious, like what was done in the above post. Completly uncalled for and WAYYYY out of line. You might actually feel this way twards someone, and you should probably stop whatever you are doing around that person who made you feel like this.

Calv was banned for being way out of line regarding a personal matter, and i honestly think Morwen should be too here. Hopefully because she's QCDN's favorite flirt has nothing to do with it.

 

[Rips]

Wow that's harsh...

 

[Blackchaoshero]

Between Friends: Would be something like what myrrh does on a fairly daily basis. "I'll kill you and your mom and then your dog!" A fairly obvious joke to anyone, but i'm sure there will always be the few that blow it up.

well, it's usually about 3-4 times a week, and often towards me. to be fair, i express how i feel about his hot mom(picks to follow, will abide by "tits or gtfo") a lot. and in seriousness, he might follow through one day. the only thing holding him back is his physical weakness <_<;

 

[Ruffyreborn]

Meh, it is a pretty shitty thing to say... Even though the rules aren't broken, some sort of action should be taken imo, because its 'harming' another person. Idk if a permaban is necessary, but something should be looked at. Even against people that generally have a bad or no reputation at all, saying something like that shouldn't be acceptable

D:

 

[CmdrFly]

to be fair, i express how i feel about his hot mom(picks to follow, will abide by "tits or gtfo") a lot.

er whoops... PLEASE

The thread is fair game yes, it does follow the rules. But that post and any responses to it shouldn't be shown in my opinion...isn't this the type of thing that should be moderated?

We see the whole "I hope you die" thing a lot around here as many of us know. This is the first time I can recall where someone claims there was an actual death though.

Given the claims I think the post was made in bad taste. Moderating them, soft-deleting and removing all quotes of the words, possible. I've temporarily soft-deleted the thread until a conclusion is reached, and edited the post out of the OP here.

Mod discussion underway.

 

[Myrrh]

well, it's usually about 3-4 times a week, and often towards me. to be fair, i express how i feel about his hot mom(picks to follow, will abide by "tits or gtfo") a lot. and in seriousness, he might follow through one day. the only thing holding him back is his physical weakness <_<;

Just so you know I bought a new stabbing knife and it's ready to be tested.....on your spine...

 

[Rappa]

Yeah, I saw this post prior to baleetion and it really didn't sit well with me. It's one thing to say "I'MMA KEEL J000000!11!11!11" but what this post did and I won't repeat was just disgusting really.

 

[jamal]

er whoops... PLEASE


We see the whole "I hope you die" thing a lot around here as many of us know. This is the first time I can recall where someone claims there was an actual death though.

Given the claims I think the post was made in bad taste. Moderating them, soft-deleting and removing all quotes of the words, possible. I've temporarily soft-deleted the thread until a conclusion is reached, and edited the post out of the OP here.

Mod discussion underway.

Thanks

Just to reiterrate, someone running around yelling 'bomb' like its funny (aka Myrrh) will still get thrown in jail if they do it in the wrong circumstances. I don't find anything Myrrh says funny, I think its rather childish and stupid. To use him as a basis for what is in good taste and what is not is rather tasteless in its own right.
With him though, I can just skip over his posts because nothing he says is ever relevant to any actual discussion of merit.
This is a completely different matter, when someone was giving an explanation while defending family, and had a deathwish sent in return.

 

[Arctyrael]

I'll just say what I told Morwen more or less. It was cold, possibly rash, but within her rights to post it. This is what the reputation system is for though, not cold hard moderation.

I know of that rule Jamal - I just don't see this quite fitting the definition of harassment.

Harassment - Making threatening remarks, particularly repetitious posting of similar remarks. Persistent unwanted remarks (racial slurs). [Not legal on FB in regards to RL]
Flame - A post to provoke negative discourse. [Legal on the board]

This post was a cocktease to harassment, but I don't see it quite there yet. Harassment is also a relative definition to many people. Thats just my opinion though. <-- lolRedundancy

That being said, I don't want to see people posting this kinda garbage unless you expect more rules for the FB. Lets keep this to a single occurrence.

 

[jamal]

I'll just say what I told Morwen more or less. It was cold, possibly rash, but within her rights to post it. This is what the reputation system is for though, not cold hard moderation.

I know of that rule Jamal - I just don't see this quite fitting the definition of harassment.

Harassment - Making threatening remarks, particularly repetitious posting of similar remarks. Persistent unwanted remarks (racial slurs). [Not legal on FB in regards to RL]
Flame - A post to provoke negative discourse. [Legal on the board]

This post was a cocktease to harassment, but I don't see it quite there yet. Harassment is also a relative definition to many people. Thats just my opinion though. <-- lolRedundancy

That being said, I don't want to see people posting this kinda garbage unless you expect more rules for the FB. Lets keep this to a single occurrence.

The reputation system?
You can't be fucking serious, she rated me down for rating her down, which is why I brought it here.

More than just me think this is more than a cocktease, which is frankly why i think she's 'getting off' easy on this.

If someone threatened my family like that, there would be serious hell to pay. That's something you don't say, and falls in line with the likes of racial slurs. Not to mention this wasn't a yo mamma joke, she flat out wished death to him and his brother.

Give me a break...Fly is quoted in her sig for crying out loud.

 

[Arctyrael]

Don't jump my shit over it, the other mods are having their say in it as well. I didn't post anything wishing someone to die.

I'm just saying my interpretation is off what I consider harassment. I can't just arbitrarily let my reaction to a post determine how I interpret posts based on the set rules. We can flat out ban Death knells, but its not in the current FB rules.

That post is a retarded post. I rated her down for it, she can rate me down for all I care. I just don't see it breaking the FB rules -- it was just a stupid post and sad that people are willing to think it, let alone say it.

Ultimately, if this had been anywhere else but the FB, I could have taken some action, probably straight to a ban of some sort, based on flamebaiting. The flameboard however... I'm trying to interpret rules so people can, when the gray areas like this arise, atleast have a chance to think for themselves before they make a post.

 

[jamal]

Fucking weak...don't make me make an example of the rules of the boards again, I'm getting tired of doing this. Its not fucking hard to see this is blatant harassment with no sense of remorse for what she said.

 

[Audino]

It was cold, possibly rash, but within her rights to post it. This is what the reputation system is for though, not cold hard moderation.

I have to lol at this also. The rep system is a joke. Christ, I've been rated down for the kind of beer that I drink. I talked to the guy that did it, he turned out to be pretty cool, but there you have it. Thats what people use the rate down system for. To think the rep system has any meaning is completely retarded. Its a popularity contest for the QCDN cheerleaders on here so they can measure how big each other's pom-poms are. Before the rep system started I could have given you a list of everyone you would see on the top 20 page and it would surely include e-flirts.

I guess I could go rate down Morwen (+ny to sound extra loli) too, but all that would happen would be me getting rated down back for using the reputation rate down tool.

I'm not trying to single you out, Arc. I know its a collective decision. I just hope this isn't some "Its all in who you know" type of bullshit.

 

[Rappa]

How does rating deal with anything? The only way it would matter is if it was incorporated into whether or not a message was visible or not, which it isn't. If we could rate down a post and enough rate downs made the post go away then yeah, that would be self-moderating the flameboard. As is, it either gives new members a red dot or just does nothing to older members who already have a large epeen bar.

 

[Kagemusha]

People actually take the rating system seriously? The only time someone should take the rep seriously is when they have a red dot, then you know that person is a total douche.

 

[jamal]

I'm not trying to single you out, Arc. I know its a collective decision. I just hope this isn't some "Its all in who you know" type of bullshit.

Ditto to this...I'm frustrated at the collective group, not you as an individual. The 'who you know' struck me as well having fly in her sig.

 

[Arctyrael]

Eh, I kinda like that idea Rappa, but I get the feeling it would defeat its own purpose in the end. Forget I even mentioned the rep thing, it was not meant to be an end all moderation tool and that isn't the point I was attempting to make. Was just saying that by doing so,you can show you are not pleased with the post she made.

As far as "who you know" I don't think I've ever even partied with Morwenny. I'm all for adding the whole 'no death knells' thing to general rules Jamal. Probably see it up there by tonight. But yea, I'ma just talk to other mods and eventually something will be done. There is no need to further any arguments here.

 

[Trippyhippy]

I can't imagine what she could have said. I mean, i've seen people tell others to go "Die in a fire" more than a couple of times here at QCDN.

Will someone send me a PM telling me?

 

[Trippyhippy]

Ok, message recieved.

Um. There was no reason to delete that. If he wants to put his personal life on the flameboard, he's asking for some shit like that. Besides, it wasn't that harsh, and it was well deserved.