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I think the reasoning for it is rather simple. As much as he says it has nothing to do with elations, it's everything. Here is a guy who spends what seems to be a large amount of time chatting with another person who understands exactly how he feels, exactly what he is going through and suddenly he feels that his trust is entirely betrayed by that same person. At first, you think it'll be easy to get over and he probably did, but what probably got him the most was the only person he felt comfortable express that betrayal to and the person who would understand it the most, he can't talk to anymore. It hurts to be betrayed, but it hurts more to lose the one person who can understand you more than anyone else. I am betting that anger just built up and with no one to vent, it probably just exploded here. Sure, he has friends he can talk to, but I bet more than anything, he just talks shit and doesn't actually say what he wants to say with them. If Cami had taken his items, I think things would have turned out differently. Yes, he'd probably be pissed off about it and feel betrayed, but he'd never have gotten to the point of posting because Mish would have been around to vent that anger.

There is probably more that can be said by both sides, but I really don't care. It was stupid to begin with. She admitted everything and denied all that was apparently BS which coming from the mob with torches, wasn't surprising. It's always like that though, wolves come out of hiding when they smell blood, right?
 
ok i read the yahoo chat log. it doesnt say anything that wasnt already said and resaid.

she took gear without asking. we knew that.
she lied at first about having it. we knew that.
she offered "coppies" of the gear she took. we knew that.
she later fessed up and returned everything. we knew that.

will ish still be my friend after this: yes (why cause i firmly beleive full on stealing was never her intention)
will mire be my friend after this: i hope so (she's good people and we've had fun when we've partied together)
could this have been settled like adults away from the FB and saved themselves the drama: absoulutly(sp) (emotions run way to high in things like this.)

there is no way to justify her taking anything. it was wrong. one should never take something without asking first. the legal nco in me still tells me there is more personal reasons behind all this but thats no matter. whats done is done, but this would have been handled much better privately.
 
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Wow this is indeed very sad. I hardly ever post in flame board but i feel like i have to say something here.

first off im not going to comment on the facts or who is lying as both sides have admitted and collaborated this story.

what im going to focus on is reasoning behind this whole thing and what IMO has been left out.

we have establish
1. Mish and Neo greatly trusted each other and have confided in each other through good and bad times.

2. Everyone on all sides is confuse becasue a lot fo personal info has been left out and thinks nothing can come of this.

now on to my OPINION on the situation as a whole.

I want to start bye saying i went through ALL 40 pages and read 95% of the post. Post that are derailings and such i didnt bother reading all of it. What i see here is Yes Neo gave her permission to acess his account and borrow items. Then Misheala borrowed items and was maybe gonna return them before Neo notice they were gone. But neo intercepts and wonders WTF happen. Mish panicks becasue she borrowed his items and then Borrowed the items to someone ELSE!!! That in turns causes her to Lie beacasue she was backed into a corner. IMO she still wasn't going to keep any of it, she was just trying to avoid Drama with Neo becasue I think she knows he would be mad if She LENT out HIS stuff to someone else. That is also my guess for taking a lot fo the SAME stuff she ALREADY has. Mish and Klank went on an adventrue and were planning on something and wanted to use the gear that was on Neo's account, I'm sure mish probably was planning on letting klank use "mostly" her gear while she used Neo's but when your trying to focus on BCNM /NM whatever you were trying to get done and you TRUST the person your borrowing items to it was probably passed in a hurry and Klank ended up with Neo's gear.

Now here is my guess as to why Mish Lied at first.
1. She wanted to avoid drama and wasnt thinking straight
2. She knew Neo meant the gear was for HER to borrow and not for her to lend to someone else
3. Mish doesn't like to talk to people when they are drunk / rambling and knows neo cna get that way sometimes "also by his own admittance"
4.As she panicked a million things races through her mind on how she was going to SNEAK back the items into Neo's hands
5. She opted to give him HER stuff in the mean time to hopefully calm things down untill she gets his gear back form klank.
6. At this point in time they started floating apart a bit and Misheala knew she shoudn't have borrowed Neo's gear becasue now she feels like she owes him something agian.. A favor.. a "i got to be nice to him when i dont feel like talking to him" type thing.
7. I'm guessing Mish had problems with drinkers is one of the main reason why she has not gone further then deep friendship with neo.
whew... thats a lot but please bare with me now onto Neo's mind


1. Neo met Mish became firends and later develop feelings for her
2. Neo trys out the waters outside of the "Friend's zone" and doesn't get a good vibe back.
3. Mish retreats a bit and later gets desprate to to get something in-game done and resorts to using Neo's gear and sharing it with someone else which she knows Neo wont approve of.
4. Neo feels hurt and betrayed that she lied about taking his gear but there is more to it then just that.
5. Neo said himself he dont care about the gear, He is just testing her seeing if she will fess up.
6. Mish confesses and Neo says he forgives her but still have big resentments


OK now to sum this all up

3 months later Neo decides to bring this to flamebaord to "warn" people about watching out for her so they dont trust her and get thier gear jacked. I think truth be told Neo knows something going on with mish being firends with someone else "probably male" and all the feelings of jelousy and angry rush back into him. He at this time probably drank more often then usual and then tried to talk to mish but to no avail ahs she trys to avoid him. Now he is left hurt and angry no where to vent. Deep down even if he dont know it himself Neo still has a thing for mish. So he decides to let go of this game and move to WoW. Converstion with freinds say he should post what happen. Neo figures why not he dont care about it or her anymore even though I think he does.

sorry i accidently hit enter before finishing so i have to edit

Anyways now 3 months later Mish gets blinded sided bye a flame in which she thought everything was worked out and that her forgave her and move is pissed off and ready to lay it on him.
Neo left out personal info because its not allowd and he down want people to belittle his feelings.
But leaving out waht went on behind the scenes leave everyone in the dark as to Why this was borught to flameboard 3 months later.

Mish retaliates with anger and uses some personal info to help her side of the story "ie his drinking and rambling" which i think is important to know why she acted the way she did. This is like an ex girlfriend lying about a new guy she lent a shirt to that was given bye former BF. I commend you mish i know you are holding back on the personal info and you felt you had to shed some light on the situation and kept the personal info to a minimal.

Neo man i party with you back in the days and you were cool. but i know how difficult it is for people to put up with drunken rambling and unwanted advances...
I udnerstand it only natural for you to like and trust mish becasue she is a very nice person despite her bitching about everything "sorry mish lol we all know its just you". Yes you liked her and wanted to be more then firends Neo. that is why Svina made his e-pussy comment.

The jist of it is Neo liked and trusted mish enough to give her his account info despite his preaching of the same thing to other people. This shows that they were very close at one point and how trustful of a person Mish is in Neo's eyes. So why the sudden change now? why is she a thief and one to look out for?

It is all a misunderstanding, she NEVER INTEDED to KEEP your gear or she woudnt have givine it back. She was trying to buy time to work up a plan to sneak your gear back in and make things rights.. She didnt want you to find out she LENT yoru gear to someone else or Lord knows what woudla happen. I'm sure you woudla been quit piss and rightfully so. But to me she never wanted to steal your items she was just trying to cover up the fact that she lent them out.. 40 mins later she came to her senses and came out with the truth.. im sure she want and rounded up some of your gear during that time. She apologize and beat herself up over it.. but deep down she had every intention of making things right and returning your gear.. Like someone said she was back into a corner and panic.. its waht people who lived with or had experience with dealing with angry drunk people resort to doing.. "ie lying about taking beer money beacuse thye needed it for food" but will talk to you when you come to your senses. I know you werent drunk at the time you confronted her.. but it was her natural reaction to hide the fact that she gave your gear to someone else.. this does not make her a thief.. a liar .. sure you can say that.. but none the less she is a good person in my eyes and tryed to avoid further drama with with you.

She fessed up and thought she was forgivin 3 months alter you blind side her with a flame..

I can tell you still care about this girl neo
I also belavie mish still cares about you too deep deep down beneath all that anger..

Everyone please dont PM me or tell me get my facts straight because this is all MY OPINION base on life experience irl and virtual.
I'm older then the majority of the people here and this is just how things seem to me judging form PERSONAL EXPERIENCE..
I really wish both of you best of luck and hope things work out for you guys.. not neccesarily with each otehr.. but with your lives.. mabyue even talk again one day..

/em Jerry Springer voice: until next time {take care} o f yourselves and each otehr.
 
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Zaltana said:
will mire be my friend after this: i hope so (she's good people and we've had fun when we've partied together)
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I don't toss friends aside over little things like this as others do. Nor do I value gear over friends or tell friends I can no longer talk to them because they have something I want. I'm not heartless. I'm not ruthless. This is a fucking game. If it means more to you, you're a pathetic waste.
 
And sorry, I keep lolling at "Neo has a thing for Mish". People who actually know Neo know better.
 
Mirewen said:
And sorry, I keep lolling at "Neo has a thing for Mish". People who actually know Neo know better.
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Yeah, everyone knows he's got a thing for Rhad.
 
I didn't die tonight...
 
You came late... GAWD!

And for all those "she was borrowing" assjackets, SHE TOLD HIM SHE DIDN'T HAVE HIS GEAR THEREFORE SHE WASN'T BORROWING, SHE WAS LYING. Sometimes caps are all you fuckers can understand.
 
I think Darkfelicity sum this thread up very nicely. Come on now most you know Misheala for how long and some you turn on her because something like this. Heck I don't even know her to well can see this is a simple misunderstanding. Only thing I can't figure out is Legos agenda. This issue was solved 2 months ago yet you bring it up out of the blue? Why? Are you so upset that you fell victim to the same thing that you preached about. This thread just another double standard thread any other person would been lol your fault for giving out your information, like the kaptain thread, or maybe that why you made this thread because of the kaptain thread.
 
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I think Darkfelicity sum this thread up very nicely. Come on now most you know Misheala for how long and some you turn on her because something like this. Heck I don't even know her to well can see this is a simple misunderstanding. Only thing I can't figure out is Legos agenda. This issue was solved 2 months ago yet you bring it up out of the blue? Why? Are you so upset that you fell victim to the same thing that you preached about. This thread just another double standard thread any other person would been lol your fault for giving out your information, like the kaptain thread, or maybe that why you made this thread because of the kaptain thread.
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^---- didn't read the thread...
 
Mirewen said:
You came late... GAWD!

And for all those "she was borrowing" assjackets, SHE TOLD HIM SHE DIDN'T HAVE HIS GEAR THEREFORE SHE WASN'T BORROWING, SHE WAS LYING. Sometimes caps are all you fuckers can understand.
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The reason she panicked and lied was simply because she didn't have Neo's gear on her to return right then and there. Was it right for her to give Neo's gear to Klank? No.

But she still fully intended to return it even when lying to Neo, which is the crux of the matter and what YOU seem to be missing here.
 
Tagrineth said:
The reason she panicked and lied was simply because she didn't have Neo's gear on her to return right then and there. Was it right for her to give Neo's gear to Klank? No.

But she still fully intended to return it even when lying to Neo, which is the crux of the matter and what YOU seem to be missing here.
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Moral of the story: Stealing and lying is okay, as long as you can convince people you intended all along to give it back.
 
Sopranos Season 4 Episode 1 : For all Debts Public and Private.

So I really liked the scene where Christopher offed the retired cop. God I miss that show , I know it's only been gone all of 3 weeks, but still.

Wait a tic, is this thread not about The Sopranos... shit, sorry for the derail.
 
Garvin said:
Moral of the story: Stealing and lying is okay, as long as you can convince people you intended all along to give it back.
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No shit. She panicked because she thought he quit and wouldn't want it back. She took shit that didn't belong to her. End of story. I don't fucking care if you people see this as ok. If you do, I hope you're robbed blind by a "friend". Maybe then you'll feel what Neo is feeling. Read the fucking chat text, she took from him, tried to deny it and was caught. If you're some pathetic man who thinks, "Siding with Mish might get me some e-boob" then fuck you. Get the fuck out of this conversation, someone with a pitiful mind such as yours doesn't belong here. She was wrong, it is so blatently obvious. She stole from someone who trusted her. I hope she steals from you next, then you can feel that pain Neo did.
 
You as in people who are sticking up for stealing* not as in Garvin. Because I <3 House AND Scrubs.
 
Now now, Mirewen. Don't tell people that kind of stuff about me. They might see me as some whiny insecure brat always dying for attention.
 
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