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[Farys]

And I'm gonna bomb that thread a bit more by adding :

You want them to react in a more "western civilized" way? Then look at what WE did for the past century. US and EU gvts have done their best to keep tyrants in the head position of those countries so they can insure that :
1. they could sell their weapons, not the big ones that scare everyone just those could kill a kid at 100m
2. they could take oil, diamonds, any kind of food off their lands

Iran was a very democatric country (they had schools, colleges, women went to school and could wear fashion stuff) until the US organized a putsch in favor of a fucking terrorist.
Iraq could have been much more if France hadn't place all its hopes and bribes in that fucking hussein family. Same goes for most of Africa.

We kept them away from true democracy and self development so we could have cheap barrils, cheap cocoa, cheap jewelery and make our weapon companies richer.

Blame Islam! Under Muslim gvt ppl invented/came up with mathematics and algebra as we know it, astronomy and a lot more while our civilized western religious countries were still struggling during the middle ages for land.


edit : one more time
If Islam is a violent religion, then why dont we witness any upheaval in our country? Why only riots in middle east? Huh? Our supposedly muslims rioters should be waiting outside my building ready to fire up my car? Why can't I see them already?

 

[Darkdante]

edit : one more time
If Islam is a violent religion, then why dont we witness any upheaval in our country? Why only riots in middle east? Huh? Our supposedly muslims rioters should be waiting outside my building ready to fire up my car? Why can't I see them already?

Isn't your country France? Lotta riots there. ONLY middle east? Do you live in a box?

If for some reason your country is the USA. We have about 75% of the population Christianity, and 0.5% Muslims here, you do the math.

 

[Mokk]

The difference between islam the religion and islam the fundamentalist practice of being a douche is comparable to the religion of christianity and the practice of being a fundamentalist douche are quite similiar. All one needs to be is intollerant and beligerant in ones faith to cross the line. The reason we don't hear about those nutty christian fundamentalists in the US is because they were last decades' enemy.

We've gotta be in a conflict with someone, we have been since the korean war. They're just the flavor of the month. Besides what would Americans do without sensationalism? Get outside more often? pssssh.

 

[Mattaru]

Uninformed baseless opinions here.

 

[Answa~]

To Jump the the Islam subject...I agree with Farys that you are making a easy link between religion and violence.

2 points I want to discuss about:

Islam religion is just acting now the same way as catholic religion was acting 300-400 years before nowadays. Just try to remind what i ve learned in school. english people went to Us continent because they couldn't leave in Great Britain anymore. Try also to remember what was happening in Ireland last 10 years. This is only protestant versus Catholics and there were a lot of violence. Look in China how the Chintoist are killing Boudhists. I think all religions are Violents the same ways as long as they are Directed by some fanatics people. It is not the religion itself but the leaders who are violents.

Second Point Is : the Islam Religion is a religion who tryes nowadays to convert more and more people as the other religions were doing before. Maybe it is also because this religion has not made its own "revolution" as most of the others did. It will take some time but they will make it one day.

Sorry for my english wich is not as good as other participants

I'm sorry, but when Islam began it was a revolution by itself, it converted massive amounts of people to itself.

 

[cocyte]

Isn't your country France? Lotta riots there. ONLY middle east? Do you live in a box?

If for some reason your country is the USA. We have about 75% of the population Christianity, and 0.5% Muslims here, you do the math.

It appear that I live in France ... and I dont see any riots here about the caricatures ... lots of people are complaining ... some seems to be really pissed ... but I dont see ANY violence here.

Real riots were in december, and they had nothing to do with islam ...

 

[Darkdante]

Real riots were in december, and they had nothing to do with islam ...

Nothing cept that they all islamic?

 

[Dayner]

you guys dont get it yet ... most arab muslims feel they are been target by western govs

and as muslim and an arabin i know how my ppl think and feel

they think the war on irag is against islam , helping Israel is against islam
,everything Bush say they well convert it and say its against islam

and prophet Mohamed to muslim is as holy man and shouldnot be pictured , even if arab did a movie abot prophet Mohamed they dont show his pic not even voice or hand or anything that show Mohamed body
you can say he got no acter

then come a newspaper and DRAW him as terroris

that not funny

 

[Farys]

Nothing cept that they all islamic?

Except that this statement is false.
Once again : the riots were done by unemployed lazy young brats. Not one article in the medias stated muslims (not even fundamentalists) were taking part in those riots in the name of Islam nor were the initial perpetrors.

I'm gonna give you a bit of info from someone who lives outside is american golden box : the comics were published in september, one fundamentalist imam from Danemark sent the comics back to Liban/Palestine, it blew up in the middle east medias just when Sharon is on the verge of death (???) and then the muslims accross Europe who felt insulted went to court (no flag burning, no ambassy assaulted).

I can play the devil's advocate with your argument :
1. There are lots of wars in Africa
2. I heard there were Black ppl rioting in LA some time ago
>> Black people are violent by nature.

And in case, I'd call BS on my Iran note, here's a proof :
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB21/

 

[Darkdante]

the riots were done by unemployed lazy young brats.

And the majority of these lazy young brats are?

Not one article in the medias stated muslims (not even fundamentalists) were taking part in those riots in the name of Islam nor were the initial perpetrors

What media do you read? Even the BBC states the majority of them are Muslims even when they try so hard not to paint that picture, even Muslim news sources say so. And I said they are Muslims, and they are prone to violence, or at least they sure appear to be.


The bottom line is there are better ways than riots and violence to solve race issues, culture issues, economic issues, especially when your the group that wants to be treated fair. I feel they are being treated unfairly there but I also see a reason why. Why would anybody employ someone prone to violent tendencies, or even a group of people who have that stigma?

Running a peacful protest is one thing. But burning buildings, killing innocents, getting revenge will only make things worse for you. History and the same story all over the world should show you that.........

 

[Farys]

And the majority of these lazy young brats are?

...are muslims. So what? It's their condition of living that make them do that, not they're religion! Are you stubborn or what?
My grand parents are italian immigrants. In the 30's they were considered thieves and dirty.... of course! They were FUCKING POOR IMMIGRANTS!!
Damn! Can't you just realize that environment and not religion is the source of their behaviors and of rumors.

What media do you read? Even the BBC states the majority of them are Muslims even when they try so hard not to paint that picture, even Muslim news sources say so. And I said they are Muslims, and they are prone to violence, or at least they sure appear to be.

You went from "theyre muslims so prone to violence" to "they're muslims, it appears they're prone to violence"... If I go on a bit with you, I'm sure I can make you think a lil bit outside of the box, walk a lil deeper beyond the viel of "bash the muslim countries" medias put on your eyes and finally admit that only fundamentalists are a threat to western civilized countries, not simple muslim workshippers.

The bottom line is there are better ways than riots and violence to solve race issues, culture issues, economic issues, especially when your the group that wants to be treated fair. I feel they are being treated unfairly there but I also see a reason why. Why would anybody employ someone prone to violent tendencies, or even a group of people who have that stigma?

lol
Nice way to turn an argument the other way around!
It works that way : they're immigrants >> they're poor >> they lack education >> they're not very qualified workers >> they have crappy jobs >> they're still poor >> they don't have the perfect profile to get a good job especially in our times plagued with welfare >> hatred, poverty, resentment ensue
They didn't come to our country filled with hatred and violence thinking "let's not get a job and blow stuff up!"

Running a peacful protest is one thing. But burning buildings, killing innocents, getting revenge will only make things worse for you. History and the same story all over the world should show you that.........

... unless you want to run a country under fear and oppression (that's the way of the fundamentalists everywhere around the globe being them religious, communists or nazis). The Vatican played it that way for centuries, keeping the books only to certain scholars so people wouldn't question their faith (Inquisition anyone?), China has done great in that department too and we all know what happen in Germany.

You should also take into account what Dayner told you. For decades we've let them rot and all of sudden we want to bring them civilization, western cultures, etc... they don't want that kind of imperialism and their fundamentalist leaders know how to play that card to rally their troups.