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:shock: Danggggg you really pissed Delite off. I have NEVER ever seen him this pissed. Better watch out there.
 
Ok

MND is not useless, if you have no rdm, and the whm has to enfeeble, mnd helps para/slow/silence duration, and it may not be all that great for lower lvl cures, but when you get Cure V mnd makes a hella difference in the amount you heal for, since there is no hard cap for the amount you can heal with it.
 
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Nyrona said:
Thnikkaman is a good guy, he knows his stuff, i think you've all misinterpreted this post, it's just a post to get people thinking about the other possibilities of the game, it's a versatile world and it's insulting to the creators to have everyone play the same way
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The second he called MND the most useless stat in the game, this entire statement became discredited before you even posted it.
 
The second he called MND the most useless stat in the game, this entire statement became discredited before you even posted it.
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Look at the context in which he said it, he was referring to FOOD in that statement, mind is a useless stat to boost with FOOD. Possibly think before you say something that makes you look less intellegent.
 
Nyrona said:
The second he called MND the most useless stat in the game, this entire statement became discredited before you even posted it.
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Look at the context in which he said it, he was referring to FOOD in that statement, mind is a useless stat to boost with FOOD. Possibly think before you say something that makes you look less intellegent.
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You defending this shitdick strips you the right to belittle anyone elses IQ.
 
Nyrona said:
The second he called MND the most useless stat in the game, this entire statement became discredited before you even posted it.
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Look at the context in which he said it, he was referring to FOOD in that statement, mind is a useless stat to boost with FOOD. Possibly think before you say something that makes you look less intellegent.
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Mispelling intelligent also makes you look less 'intellegent.' Think before you insult people with words you can't even spell.

Context my ass, the arguement was bullshit. Most MND foods give +hMP btw, so go sit on that for awhile.
 
He does have a good point on the mindless subbing ninja to every job for no reason at all. Subbing ninja has its perks, but not before 24 at the minimum. Just because a subjob is good later doesn't mean it's always good. The same could be said for people subbing thief too early. Ninja subbers are worse though. They hit 20, and they want to look cool with two weapons, and don't care how much they suck. Even after utsusemi is available at 24, I have a suspicion that most people sub it as a crutch because they can't manage hate. There are exceptions, of course. Warrior/Ninja at low levels is a particular annoyance of mine for some reason- especially in the levels when it's best to be using a Great Axe. Ninja is the White Mage of melee-hood. Everyone subs it "just because" and never bothers to get any benefit out of it. I'm a pretty strong supporter of warrior being a melee's primary subjob. If you're going to pick a sub, at least know why...
 
After experimenting with several SJs that i have, i've come to many conclusions.Nin sub lowers your dmg on ws by a big amount (About 100 to 200 maybe on Viper bite) and if using a great axe monk sub does more dmg than i would with nin sub.The main point of duel wield is usually to duel wield axes or sword for strong hits.It works for warriors and darks in most cases cuz of the obvious difference in delay of those slow 2hands and then duel wielding fast hitting weapons.And above all those two jobs are suppose to hit hard on their swings.
Now thief is a DD but its a totally different role.They are suppose to do a hard hitting ws and transfer all that hate to the tank.Now in most cases nin sub gets you faster tp by like a sec or 2 hardly depending on your accuracy.But due to nin sub the only thing you are getting is shadows and duel wield 2 (Which is obviously for you to hit hard/more on ur swings).But you lack the attack that you were going to get from berserk hence you hit low on your swings and then the ws itself is low dmg (50 to 200 on Viperbite) which in turn gives low hate to the tank.ANd i know for sure that not each time you don't even go at 100 percent tp because your partner is either slow or you are just waiting for blm to get ready.So ehh every thief should have warrior sub lvled and ready if you wanna play job to the max.And war sub is perfectly awesome for thief from level 1 to 75 unless you are pulling the toramas in onzozo or the veloclipters in terrigan.Rng's subbing nin is a totally different thing.They can't put their hate on somebody else and have low evasions... so they have to rely on shadows
 
Btw i remember this thief which was one of the few who did sub war while i was lvling my war.That dude was hitting the Inc tough high eva and defense Toramas ( Lab of onzozo, one of the few places where you fight fast moving mobs) with a 900 DE each time while other thief with same better gear did like freakin 400 to 500 so thats a pretty big difference.The rng had to pull because the THf didn't have nin sub but it was worth the dmg he was putting in.
 
Thank god he finally posted here so it's not just me who tells him hes spouting BS. I have to put up with this in my LS :(

I think the other great one was when he decided that PLD/NIN would be better than PLD/WAR as they could use shadows, and that Flash was sufficient having no voke -.-
 
lol, Galaika. I did not say that. I said that later on, Paladin can sub MONK and only under the circumstance that there is no heavy damage dealer like DRK or BLM, because Boost and other job abilities help keep hate, and the extra vitality helps. Also, I've seen Flash take hate away from the best tanks, and extra stuff like counter helps a lot too. I'm not saying it's a better combo, I'm just saying it's a possible alternative under certain conditions. And I'm not in your LS anymore, I quit because you kept arguing everything I ever had to say.
Anyway, it's cool to hear how THF/WAR is a good combo for you. Maybe that'll change atleast one or two people's minds.
 
So at one point, you out-DD'ed a THF who very obviously screwed up his SA/TA. /praise

And +MND food is useless? FOR WHITE MAGE? Unless you're popping Sub-Zero Gelato, basically any food a WHM should use gives a decent amount of MND/MP to begin with, so unless you're popping sushi/kabobs/some +INT (/slap x20) food or nothing at all, you must have found some food I overlooked. MND helps heals, debuffs, resists...and hell, if you're one of those guys who are compelled to melee in parties..most Club WSes have a MND factor as well.
 
Obviously you misunderstood me. I said it would be better to use cookies and other things that give you HMP, because it's better to cure 1 HP less, than to cure once or twice less. Go MP is what I'm saying. People, stop thinking I'm saying that MND is useless. It isn't. But I'm saying that I'd rather go for more MP in a personal opinion. MP > MND to an extent.
 
no one said anything about colbwa yet, so maybe i should ^^

he may be a good guy once u get to know him, but my experience w/ him is that he's like those little kids at the supermarket.

A while ago when i went on a ZM4 run, colbwa was begging us to let him join (we had a little over 6 ppl so we were going to do 2 runs) at the temple of uggleiph (sic) entrance. we told him no since some ppl had a beef w/ him. He practically followed us through the temple and the den of rancor asking us to let him join the whole time. it wasn't until the bcnm entrance that we finally cracked and let him join.

i'm on ps2 so i don't have fraps and no digital camera either. and i don't remember any of the other names either >.>

since i don't have any proof, flame me for lying, but i was there and it happened ^^
 
Athera said:
no one said anything about colbwa yet, so maybe i should ^^

he may be a good guy once u get to know him, but my experience w/ him is that he's like those little kids at the supermarket.

A while ago when i went on a ZM4 run, colbwa was begging us to let him join (we had a little over 6 ppl so we were going to do 2 runs) at the temple of uggleiph (sic) entrance. we told him no since some ppl had a beef w/ him. He practically followed us through the temple and the den of rancor asking us to let him join the whole time. it wasn't until the bcnm entrance that we finally cracked and let him join.

i'm on ps2 so i don't have fraps and no digital camera either. and i don't remember any of the other names either >.>

since i don't have any proof, flame me for lying, but i was there and it happened ^^
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You need not go on about Colbwa we all know about him/her/it....
 
SMN are healers because until the higher levels they suck for anything other than buffing healing and MBing.

BLM/NIN would suck because you would get like 5-10 INT off the 2nd club (which sucks compared to elementals staves 10% damage bonus anyway) and possibley a little INT off the NIN (not sure whether WHM or NIN has more INT). What you lose? you will lose probably 100 or so MP level 50+, the ability to throw an emergency cure, the ability to use white enfeebles if no rdm...the list just goes on and on. Is all the losses worth it for perhaps 15 INT? which is STILL probably less damage than off your 10% bonus elemental stave (or 15% if HQ).

Btw that THF messed up SATA...PLD probably moved, screwing TA and the mob turned with the tank screwing SA...thats just a guess though. So outdamaging a THF with a dagger that probably does about 13 dmg whereas your maul is about 30 if i recall...not really massively impressive.

Oh and also mobs get the TP you get +2 for hitting them. So with a hammer hit you get 8 i think, there fore the mob is getting 10 TP for every successful hit over 0 dmg. If you don't believe me use BST to test it. So your 5 or so damage 10 times will let it WS...so 50 dmg is totally worth a gobby bomb for 200-300 to everyone? or a sickle slash for 800 that kills the tank? didn't think so.

About the MPK issue...seems to me that neither of you were trying to MPK, you were just being stupid.

Gotta agree with him to an extent...MND is pretty useless. Sure if you are enfeebing then its great but i personally found that it doesn't really add much onto my cures (even V) and that MP or hMP is much more beneficial...but hey each to their own.

Erm...last point; yes flash is a very high hate spell...which is why WHM shouldn't really use it in my opinion as it is a good way to get some harsh monster lovin'.

Well i believe i demolished that post... 8)
 
Awesome post, Rinoah. I forgot about the Elemental staves, but still, it would be pretty beneficial up to 51. Subbing WHM or RDM doesn't give a lot of INT anyway, so you might as well. I still can't believe how mad Delite got for nothing, though. I guess we were both stupid in our own ways there.
 
I'm still curious wth a WHM was doing using banishaga in the middle of qufim...i mean its just common sense really. Although to be fair i can understand the boredom of being a WHM in a PLed pt.
 
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