GA Only! kthxbai....

[hellstorm]

Oh, thought I'd add that hellstorm is retarded for thinking that axe/axe is going to compare to axe/ridill. If axe/ridill wasn't so obviously better, then ridill wouldn't be nearly as desired as it is. Seriously, learn what the fuck you're talking about or stop posting.

ridill is desired so much because it a hard to get item that allow you to hit 2-3 times. Which don't mean jack. A well equip war with man/jug can do just as well as a well equiped jug/ridill war. Depending on mob they can do better or worse. miss ridill miss

 

[Solan]

So, DRK should all go and get some Assault Jerkins because it is +8 more ATT than Hauby and since it is so much rarer to acquire?

 

[Blazeoffury]

I've only not completed CoP as finding people to do it when I have time to is a bit difficult. I'd rather not start a CoP mission at 2am.

Again, I said mostly, I know there are people with some time constraints and that's understandable. It's the people who play like 6-7 hours a day and haven't completed CoP yet who I am talking about. Hell, CoP is easily completed in one weeks time.

 

[Mishaela]

Baj, I see what you're saying but it's not entirely the case...I worked on and off with skilling GAxe in the past but never put serious effort into it because I only never thought it'd have any great use. I'd like to think with my gear and effort that I'm a good WAR, but if I'm gimped simply because I didn't skill up something I didn't think would ever serve remotely as big of a use as it does now...I guess I'm a gimp. =/ And in regards to "anyone who's not seen the damage is living in a cave"...

Well...to be honest, I've gotten 6 invites on WAR since this update. And all six were retracted. Why? Because +16 Axe and ME/Juggy is "gimp." Once they heard my GAxe wasn't meritted, or even capped, I got kicked. And the fact it got out of hand -that- quickly is really just really damned sad. So yeah, only knowledge I have as to what damage 2h weapons can do is all secondhand, hate to say, because they made a golden pedestal out of this 2h "fix" in record time and most people I come across won't allow the "outsiders" to bask in the "glory" of it all.

 

[Blazeoffury]

ridill is desired so much because it a hard to get item that allow you to hit 2-3 times. Which don't mean jack. A well equip war with man/jug can do just as well as a well equiped jug/ridill war. Depending on mob they can do better or worse. miss ridill miss

Not solely because it hits 2-3 times, but it also has a lot more damage then joyeus does, combined with a relatively low delay. And hellstorm, you really wont be missing as much as you are putting out there, you make it look like you miss 2-3 swings, which if that was the case you're entire setup needs to be looked over again.

I won't lie, a man/jug war with all the king and sky abjs and merits can do a hell of a job as a DD, but it still won't match that of a merited ridilberk warrior. Unless the ridilberk warrior is completely asanine then he will win in over all DoT.

Most people who have access to ridill have the following:
8 sword merits
Fort. Torque
Suppanomi

a total of +28 sword skill
Sword = 278 skill
Axe = 285 (Assuming you have all 8 merits in axe)

So you're going to complain about the difference of 7 skill levels? Hell you could completely ignore Fort. Torque and use a PCC to make better use for your main hand as well and still can't really complain about a 271 skill for a merit PT, it's still higher then a 75 wars unmerited axe.

 

[Chiimister]

I've only not completed CoP as finding people to do it when I have time to is a bit difficult. I'd rather not start a CoP mission at 2am.

you don't that anymore , just shout for a group

 

[Nikky]

So, DRK should all go and get some Assault Jerkins because it is +8 more ATT than Hauby and since it is so much rarer to acquire?

no, drks should get Adaman hauberk, thats better and even harder to aquire than Assault Jerkin

I'd like to think with my gear and effort that I'm a good WAR, but if I'm gimped simply because I didn't skill up something I didn't think would ever serve remotely as big of a use as it does now

its sad that people go kicking wars that dont use gaxe nowadays. i believe axe/axe can still keep up with dmg with proper equip. i myself lvled war to 75 without gaxe and had to beat maat with axe cause of it. but after hitting 75 i skilled it up for sky, since i could deal much more wsdmg to gods with gaxe (had to use spirits within before, bout 600dmg and sata steel cyclone bout 1.1-1.6k - that was bout 2 years ago).

 

[Zeoaesir]

Yup I'm another WAR that has to level Gaxe. I don't mind too much as it would be fun to merit using something different. I won't merit war until it capped.

That being said. I'd like to be pointed towards evidence that the Gaxe is significantly better. Maybe I've been blind to published evidence or maybe it's something that has been said then subsquently accepted as gospel. I know Gaxe has improved, but I'd like to know how much it has improved.

Any wars out there tested it out in a party? e.g. an hour with axes, then an hour with Gaxe? The only one I saw was at around level 58 where the dual wield axes parsed better than the Gaxe.

Please point this blind man towards some evidence please.

 

[Sharpe]

Yup I'm another WAR that has to level Gaxe. I don't mind too much as it would be fun to merit using something different. I won't merit war until it capped.

That being said. I'd like to be pointed towards evidence that the Gaxe is significantly better. Maybe I've been blind to published evidence or maybe it's something that has been said then subsquently accepted as gospel. I know Gaxe has improved, but I'd like to know how much it has improved.

Any wars out there tested it out in a party? e.g. an hour with axes, then an hour with Gaxe? The only one I saw was at around level 58 where the dual wield axes parsed better than the Gaxe.

Please point this blind man towards some evidence please.

Check Jamal/Cmdrfly's threads on parse results.

 

[Zeoaesir]

Check Jamal/Cmdrfly's threads on parse results.

I did.. all looked a little complex for my brain.

I don't think there was a war/nin who showed results of axe/axe for period of time versus Gaxe for period of time in same pt. What I'd like to see is a War who has both capped and merited compare their own personal results in one pt with as much other variables the same as possible.

 

[Phraust]

ridill is desired so much because it a hard to get item that allow you to hit 2-3 times. Which don't mean jack. A well equip war with man/jug can do just as well as a well equiped jug/ridill war. Depending on mob they can do better or worse. miss ridill miss

You keep saying this shit over and over, yet you're wrong and have been proven so over and over.

First... I am a Ridill War, and I parse well into the late 88-92% accuracy using meat. I have an Axe and Sword Skill of 271 each.

Second... You wouldn't even know the potential of a Ridill war, because I don't know one stupid enough to party with you.

Seriously, when you say one thing and people throw tons of imperical data in your face proving the contrary, you really need to realize you are just making yourself look like a complete fool. You're not "Smarter than everyone else" because you have a different opinion, you're just flat out wrong. Just seriously, stop talking out of your ass, because when you talk about something to people that are experts on the topic you sound so god damn ignorant.

And unless you grow the fuck up and stop trying to be a know-it-all, without any actual facts, you're going to be "the dipshit" for the rest of your life. You better be like 16 and in that "I'm so excited to be me" phase... because if you're not... jesus... you're fucking screwed.

 

[Arkangel]

wow look where this thread has gone

to keep my words short, yes wars are being pushed to sub sam and use 2-handed weapons over dual weild, you may occasionally find a dual weild party but so what.
just like the jobs before you:
sam (sub job made the sam job what it is)>.<
drk (dual wield glitch)
rng (close and personal with rng att)
blm (power house spells)
drg (high att) but shuned even though it was abd still is an awsome job with the best attack next to mnk
bst (before mpk patch)
nin (shadow hate keepers)

and now war but war job was acctually improved but yet you all still find amusment in complaining about it.
If they had forced sam to sub polearm to do 2wice as much dmg with regular att and WS i would jump on that and finish lvling polearm ASAP

 

[etchdog2000]

i wouldn't complain about that, you want a drk in your party using crescent moon or sicklemoon over guillotine before 66?

I am confused what you are talking about....I never once said that? The part you quoted was a good observation I was seeing. Its a good thing that all I been seeing exping my other jobs is Scythe being used.

DRK imo shouldnt use GS at all from 60-66 in exp these days, if they do they are gimping the party.

I personally hate GS and would be perfectly fine not ever using it during exp. But back in the day I was forced to use it because everyone loved thier light skillchains.

 

[Bajaratt]

Baj, I see what you're saying but it's not entirely the case...I worked on and off with skilling GAxe in the past but never put serious effort into it because I only never thought it'd have any great use. I'd like to think with my gear and effort that I'm a good WAR, but if I'm gimped simply because I didn't skill up something I didn't think would ever serve remotely as big of a use as it does now...I guess I'm a gimp. =/ And in regards to "anyone who's not seen the damage is living in a cave"...

Well...to be honest, I've gotten 6 invites on WAR since this update. And all six were retracted. Why? Because +16 Axe and ME/Juggy is "gimp." Once they heard my GAxe wasn't meritted, or even capped, I got kicked. And the fact it got out of hand -that- quickly is really just really damned sad. So yeah, only knowledge I have as to what damage 2h weapons can do is all secondhand, hate to say, because they made a golden pedestal out of this 2h "fix" in record time and most people I come across won't allow the "outsiders" to bask in the "glory" of it all.

Yeah, kicking them because they don't have GA leveled when they have a still perfectly viable option(unless there's a SC involved) is just dumb. At the most, they should be asking before inviting; but unless you are seriously gimp gear-wise(and not just because you're using axe/axe) then there's no reason to kick you. The leaders were idiots and shouldn't have kicked you after you joined.

Oh, and Hellstorm, you've obviously never even fucking seen a ridill in use. An axe isn't going to do much more damage per-hit than the ridill will, but the ability to hit three times is going to outdamage a single/double axe hit. Then, you factor in the giant boost to your TP gain, so that you can spam rampage that much faster, doing even more damage. Unless the war is a retard like you hellstorm, they're going to have more than enough accuracy to make their ridill hit the vast majority of the time. It'd be funny how stupid you are if it wasn't so sad.

 

[Intensity]

DRK imo shouldnt use GS at all from 60-66 in exp these days, if they do they are gimping the party.

pretty much the point that stood out to me.

i remember taking drk through 60-64 with another drk who chose to use greatsword. and it wasn't that impressive.

200-300 crescent moons against 600-1100+ guillotine's.

big fan of the great sword though don't get me wrong but i just wish people would skill it outside experience parties, like you said it gimps the party before 66.

 

[Taurothar]

I was just in a party last night with my great axe and a different warrior with axe/axe. Now my gear isn't terrible, but I haven't gotten *any* sky gear or the like, and the other war had haidate and plenty of macro ws gear. He parsed about 10% less than me, despite my undercapped great axe (started the party about 250, ended at 268). There's something seriously wrong with that. The final % were about 32% one sam, 28% another sam, 24% gaxe warrior, and 13% axe/axe war, and the remainder was a combination of the two rdm nuking in their free time. The whole party had about 90% accuracy consistently.

 

[Romper]

I was just in a party last night with my great axe and a different warrior with axe/axe. Now my gear isn't terrible, but I haven't gotten *any* sky gear or the like, and the other war had haidate and plenty of macro ws gear. He parsed about 10% less than me, despite my undercapped great axe (started the party about 250, ended at 268). There's something seriously wrong with that. The final % were about 32% one sam, 28% another sam, 24% gaxe warrior, and 13% axe/axe war, and the remainder was a combination of the two rdm nuking in their free time. The whole party had about 90% accuracy consistently.

When did you come back Taur?

 

[Makelith]

I did.. all looked a little complex for my brain.

I don't think there was a war/nin who showed results of axe/axe for period of time versus Gaxe for period of time in same pt. What I'd like to see is a War who has both capped and merited compare their own personal results in one pt with as much other variables the same as possible.

Well you have to look in multiple threads, kinda, but the info is there. I could copy&paste it, but you said it was too complex so the dummbed down version is:

Jamal, the pimped out riddilberk war with full merits and capped in both skills, out parsed himself with a GA on the same mobs without the GA merits.

 

[Zeoaesir]

Well you have to look in multiple threads, kinda, but the info is there. I could copy&paste it, but you said it was too complex so the dummbed down version is:

Jamal, the pimped out riddilberk war with full merits and capped in both skills, out parsed himself with a GA on the same mobs without the GA merits.

<Thank you>

Been using a way uncapped Gaxe while farming sky just now. I've been very surprised at how much it hits for and how much dmg it does even 80+ below capped level.

(went 160 to 194 in last 24 hrs and don't intend seeking as war till I get it capped)

 

[Kagemusha]

Lame, I wanted to level my 37 WAR again but it has 0 Great Axe skill -.-