If your trying to raise the issue that race = sex, well.... you know the answer to that yourself, it does not. Sexual discrimination and racial discrimination are two very different things.
The fight gong on about gay marriage, if was simply about rights and what you are entitled to, then the fight would be over already. Most people wouldn't fight over "gay unions" or whatever you want to call it.
But it is not about that. Gay marriage proponents don't just want equal rights, they want to change what traditional marriage has meant to people who value traditional marriage.
Race and sex are not the same thing, that's true. Race is skin, and sexual orientation is who I like to bang in bed. Can also extend that to kinks. Fucking furries! But in the end, the discrimination is still the same. Gays have had people killed and bashed because of their orientation. Races have had people killed over their race. Only difference there really is some gay people can hide it. And if you think that's a good thing and they should continue doing that well...you really need to look at it in a different view.
As for traditional marriage...well Hali touches on it in a different post in my quotes.
Bigots come in all shapes and sizes.
A bigot is: a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own.
If the idea of traditional marriage is not to be respected by a certain group of people, are they not guilty of bigotry as well?
There are certainly alot more people in the world who value the idea of traditional marriage then do not. For a compromise to happen one side will have to give up something for good things to happen. Unfortunately that is the side with less voices on it.
Eventually gay marriage or whatever version it takes will prevail. But wouldn't you want something, anything......... to happen sooner?
Being stubborn about being included in traditional marriage only makes the fight that much harder.
I won't lie, I'm a bigot. I absolutely hate people who call themselves "wiggers". I hate how they come into my office like they are the hottest thing since sliced bread and then quickly change to patronize me. I will never agree with that lifestyle and I will do my best to not involve myself with
ANYONE who acts or dresses like that.
That being said, I'm not trying to deny them their right to wear whatever clothes they want or enjoy their several failed marriages.
I have to ask, but what exactly does traditional marriage mean to people who have married? Do you really care that your spouse is of the opposite sex, or are you proud you were able to have the ceremony and declare to your families that you want to be together like your parents before you?
If you want to keep the gays down because you view marriage solely as a union between a man and woman before God, I want to see you keep the divorces down because marriage, in a religious sense, is a lifetime commitment.
Great post by Skaw. I give 10 points to whoever posts the pie chart of gay marriage again. You know, the one where it says who it affects.
There is civil, and there is religious. Don't confuse the two. Gay marriage isn't asking for special treatment, just asking for the same civil rights as the rest of the population. It has never been about changing the fundamental basics of your mainstream faith, or even asking you to love and accept us. If you want to make it a religious argument, then anyone outside of any mainstream faith is not entitled to the same rights as people from "normal" christian/morman/catholic etc church. But then which religion is the right one that we should all follow? Which should we base all our civil laws on? This is why religion has no business in affairs of state. Especially since multiculturalism is so prominent in most societies.
There will always be bigots, some boys will always like boys, and some people will never have a clue. Doesn't change the fact that if my partner were to die, I have no more rights regarding his affairs than some bum on the other side of the country. It's left in the hands of the family that rejected him when he was 16 and havn't spoken to him since. Darkdante, could you please explain how asking for the same rights as a heterosexual married couple in the same instance is asking for special treatment?
This is a great post. If Marriage is believed to be a man and a woman joining together under god then what about Atheists? Arc touched on this more so I'll just leave it alone.
Yes... "traditional" marriage. Remember those? Women were the property of men, traded from family to family to solidify alliances or boost land ownership. It wasn't about love so much as it was about going to the highest bidder. Please bring back those days. Polygamy certainly gave monogamy a run for its money in the "traditional marriage" category. Let's bring that back, too. After all, women just want to be kept in groups like a harem for the amusement of one man.
"Traditional" marriage is long dead, and that's a good thing.
There is no traditional marriage, that's the thing. Marriage has and always will evolve. As much as people LOVE the Beaver family, there won't be a family that perfect. Each marriage is different. Some divorce, some are then widowed, some have lovers on the side (that they both agree to) and the list goes on.
The bigots on both sides will die off.
Eventually......
Hopefully you will be alive to see it happen. The successes they've had here will simply strengthen their resolve.
Or the Gay community could simply learn to try and take a little at a time, instead of continually stubbornly attacking "marriage" and demanding to be included in it.
You could have gay unions that had all the same provisions as legal marriage and when people see gays actually getting together and being provided for by the government, attitudes will change much faster. And eventually being included in "marriage" would seem to be the smartest fairest thing to do to the majority of the population.
Instead of idiotically fighting over the word "marriage", like we do now.
Well, here's my whole real opinion on it all. I want the same rights my mom has when my father died. I want to be able to file my tax return as married or civil unionized or whatever you wanna call it. I deserve the same tax breaks as you all of the straight married people out there. If I don't get them, then I believe us gays should be asking for gay tax compensation until it's put into the federal tax law that we can file joint taxes.
What bothers me quite a bit is people who just take what they believe and run with that idea instead of stepping back and looking at not only the sides, but what people rightfully deserve as humans. Gay marriage will do nothing to the word marriage except add in the fact that same sex couples can now use that term. If we are to get a different term for it, but it means the same thing isn't that going down the same path as separate bathrooms for whites and blacks? As of now, the federal government on tax returns view people as Married filing jointly, married filing separately, surviving spouse, head of household, and single (I think I got them all). So marriage is
NOT obviously just a religious item, that is why us gays should be allowed to marry as well. I'm not going to force a church to wed me though. I'll gladly have my ceremony in a different location with a judge instead of a priest. Hell, we all know gays can decorate better so it would look amazing too!
Christ, think about all of the income too. New jobs could come up, new businesses that cater to married homosmexuals (hehe). They could make a bit on their tax revenue from this. But then again they could about Marijuana as well.
Regardless, where is mah pie chart?! >:|
