Get off your high horse Phraust

Ayeka

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This is basically a repost of my reply to Phraust in the event scheduling forum. Basically I worked hard to get to post 70 as a thf, and people who know me know that I rarely farm. Well I still need equipment like Scorpion Harness and elusive earrings and a theifs knife and stuff like that. But instead of farming (and i make a respectable 60-80k an hr farming crafting materials), I decided to merc myself to people who need coffer keys and such for a low price of 50-100k. Well Phraust promptly responded with a I'll help for free post. Obviously he hasn't been doing much helping because people still /tell me for help all the time. Well I recently posted a edit to my merc post with price updates and such and phraust replies with another I'll help for free post and calls me a fucktard (not directly but it was implied). Well that just pissed me off to no ends. He'res a guy who instead of helping stragers as he so urges the rest of us to do, farmed argus, farmed enough to pay for his crafting, and is super rich criticizing me because instead of farming for my gil, i take about a 50% loss and merc myself to people who need keys and such. well here's my post. just wanted to put it on flameboards as well.

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i must be that fucktard since this post and the original post was made after i made my mercing post.

whats that you're wearing? a scorpion harness? must have taken a lot of farming. and didn't you use to farm argus?

wow must have taken a lot of time. time you spent farming instead of camping lower jeuno for help shouts.

What am i wearing? not a harness, not a peacock charm, not anything uber. ok so I should farm right? yes, farm. And I do farm, and make 60-80k an hr farming crafting items. But people need help...what of them? If i had to pick between helping a random strager because they dont wanna do it the hard way, and farming for my equipment I pick farming for my equipment.

But all those people who need coffers, who can't dont have people to help them, friends who aren't high enough lvl or not enough. Or maybe these are people who dont want to wait 10 hrs for everyone in their coffer key pt to get a drop. Or maybe these people are the ones that joined 3 or 4 pts hoping to get their drop but they lost the lots and people had to go? Where do these people turn to?

How many people have you helped with keys and testis and other drops that you dont know or aren't in your LS? I'm not talking about people who know you, cuz we all help people we know. How many strangers have you helped get keys and such?

You're last post, about 15 people replied needed key help. how many of those have u helped?

But then again this game is about fun right? About community? Anyone who is at the level to require AF have at least one linkshell they can turn to, and at least 20 people they have played with in this game that they can turn to. But then why are they still shouting for help from strangers? Why am I supposed to go help these strangers when their linkshells and people they know wont help them? 3 reasons. 1, they aren't willing to wait for when their friends can help them. 2, they are too lazy to take the time to do it with a low lvl pt. 3, they have not done anything for others and so dont have people willing to do stuff for them. Should I charge these stragers? Hell yes.

Every hour you've spent to gain your uber equipment, or fund your crafting, you didn't spend helping others. Well I, unlike you, would rather have someone else gain I will make money for my equipment and crafting. Charging 50-100k for a key is nothing. Keys can had have taken up to 4 hrs of my time. The person I am charging, at his lvl (50-60ish), make 100k in the 4 hrs it takes for me to get him his key. So he's trading his farming time for my farming time. Sounds pretty fair to me.

Next time you feel the urge to get on your high and mighty help everyone cause you're supposed to soapbox, just do me a favor and shut the fuck up. Give away your uber equipment, and start crafting HQ items and put them up on the ah for cost. Until you do that you have no right to criticize me for mercing.

And from your reply post, you seem to have a pretty lenghty list of people who need items, and a empty list of completed help requests. So instead of preaching maybe you should be doing huh?

My last point, I get lots of tells for merc requests as a result of my posts, even with your "Free help" post right next to mine. I'm sure they msged you for help, or have posted for help on these forums before...wonder why they still turned to me? Because I actually help maybe?
 
How is that kind of merec work diffrent then paying a High lvl to tank mobs? It happens w/e. There fault for not having a high lvl THF friend.
 
man get over it and quit crying. You sound jealous that the fact hes a competitor to your money making ability.. guess what it happens in all facets of life.

People do things differently and I dont really care if you merc or do it for free. You obviously have gotten business so then why are you so upset? Because I certainly dont give a rats ass over your money situation, or should i ramble about being a bard trying to farm? no thanks.
 
First Thank you for bringing this to the flame boards. It is Actually apreciated.

Reply in the original thread.
Phraust said:
Easy there turbo.
This has nothing to do with you Specifically.
And as far as your Mercing post being before mine, I swear itat was just an odd coincidence.. I started writting this when I got into work at 08:30 PST, and just finished it :D

As for my Record, I am sure this Thread will turn into a flame war in my favor, so please don't pee on the electric fence. Everyone knows I spend more time helping people than I do anything else.

I have gotten more items or Keys for more people than anyone I know, and you know what? I did it for free every time. Except for the 100k Svina gave me that I didn't turn down for a Moldavite Earring.... Other than that I find it fun to help complete strangers, which about 99% are. It's a great way to meet peole.

And Yes, I do answer the call for a lot of events and shouts for help. Especially the ones Offering money... And I tell em that they shouldn't be bribing people to do a good deed... And take em out, do the required task for free and refuse thier reward.

If you want to turn my thread into a flame war, I suggest you first think who you are talking to. Personally if you wan tto argue, do it in a PM. and Be a civil Human being.

Anyways...

Yeah It was a shit coincidence that you posted your thread before me. And I appologized for stepping on your toes. As far as "The last time you put up a mercing thread" and me counter posting you, funny thing that irony.. Somone Else Dug up a post I made nearly 4 months ago originally when I was level 60. I didn't make the post in retaliation.

As far as the most recent post. I wrote it because I wanted to let those I am helping know that I haver not forgotten about them, I am just having Time issues with scheduling them all. And there will be a time very soon when i will need to take a break from helping everyone and actually level...

The Time Issue: I take people out One at a time so I only waste my time.
If it takes Five hours for a key to drop, that is only 5 hours wasted on one person. If I take 2 people, that's 10 hours wasted fgor all the people. I was trying to make it an easy thing for everyone.

Don't make the assumtion that because I have nice gear that I spent a lot of time doing it.

Cheers.
 
Phraust said:
Don't make the assumtion that because I have nice gear that I spent a lot of time doing it.

Cheers.

I am guilty of this. Come on Phraust, that stuff you have does take some time, dedication, and hard work. You should be proud of yourself.

As far as this thread goes though, I have had experiences with both thfs. They are both helpful, friendly and daring/suicidal. :lol:
 
Here.

Lemme tell you a quick little morsel of wisdom:

People keep buggin me to go level and get to 70+
Every time I say the same thing:

"I am too busy playing to level."

What is the point?
Level...
To fight higher level mobs..
To make more money...
To buy more gear...
To fight higher level mobs...
To make more money...
To buy more gear...
To fight higher level mobs..
To make more money...
To buy more gear...

You know what? I am doing the same thing all those higher level people are doing. And I am rewarded with meeting new people, and feeling thier joy when they get thier Item. I don't need to kill King Behemoth for an Abjuration, I just need a key. It's the same exact thing.
 
Laur said:
Holy Cow! I thought you quit Ryme!?!? :cry:

Haha still here alive and kickin 8)

I took a 3 month break but as fate would have it I am once again trouncing around and having fun :wink: Good to see ya Laur.
 
Laur said:
Holy Cow! I thought you quit Ryme!?!? :cry:

No, Laur she is back and as lively as ever!!!!! Weeee, I luv you Ryme!!!
 
Ayeka said:
But then why are they still shouting for help from strangers? Why am I supposed to go help these strangers when their linkshells and people they know wont help them? 3 reasons. 1, they aren't willing to wait for when their friends can help them. 2, they are too lazy to take the time to do it with a low lvl pt. 3, they have not done anything for others and so dont have people willing to do stuff for them. Should I charge these stragers? Hell yes.

Phraust is rad and does help people all the fucking time. This post is such bullshit. I myself have shouted for help in Jeuno and I dont' fit into any of your stupid categories.

My LS is small and local and or highest level is 56 within the shell...there are only 4 people that are even close to being able to help with coffers/af/testemonials etc. Me (52 SMN/WHM), Palum 53 BLM/WHM, Swishiee 56 WAR/NIN and Porum 52 BRD/WHM so I resort to shouting and posting on the events thread. I really don't want to pay for help and would rather go with people that enjoy doing stuff for others in this game as I do or need to get this crap done. When I /shouted for help with my AF pants in Fei Yin I ended up in a 16 person alliance getting 3 white mage bells, 4 RDM AF hats and my pants all in the same area. Now that's only 8/16 people that actually needed to be there but it was a blast and everyone had fun.

Phraust has helped me camp that silly fish man in Sea Serpent Grotto for 5 hours trying to get Frog Pants (he didn't drop). He didn't get anything out of it but a night of great fun in which a few of us died :wink: but it was a blast and he offered to help me do it again...

I got my AF pants so I didn't really need help getting hte Frog pants but the fact is he did it for free and out of the good of his own heart. He could of spent that time camping Argus, doing dynamis runs, hunting gods etc but he spent the entire night in sea serpent grotto with a little lowbie broke ass like myself and had fun. Phraust is ALWAYs helping people...he's even offering to help me get my Temple coffer key and I love him for it.

This game isn't about money, it's a social game and money is just icing on the cake. I spend HOURS in the valkrum dunes raising people, getting subjob items for peeps and killing gob trains eventhough the VE is around the corner I ignore him. I"ve never gotten paid and have declined payment for stuff like this.

You have you're right to charge but don't be getting on Phraust's ass for not charging and offering free help to people like myself who don't have huge Linkshells or high level jobs. :roll:
 
Kat said:
Laur said:
Holy Cow! I thought you quit Ryme!?!? :cry:

No, Laur she is back and as lively as ever!!!!! Weeee, I luv you Ryme!!!

AGREED! /NOD
 
Phraust said:
Here.

Lemme tell you a quick little morsel of wisdom:

People keep buggin me to go level and get to 70+
Every time I say the same thing:

"I am too busy playing to level."

What is the point?
Level...
To fight higher level mobs..
To make more money...
To buy more gear...
To fight higher level mobs...
To make more money...
To buy more gear...
To fight higher level mobs..
To make more money...
To buy more gear...
Maybe so you can equip that relic knife you begged endlessly for people to pass on, since they would never upgrade it anyway, and you almost had enough for the first upgrade?
 
Stouter said:
Phraust said:
Here.

Lemme tell you a quick little morsel of wisdom:

People keep buggin me to go level and get to 70+
Every time I say the same thing:

"I am too busy playing to level."

What is the point?
Level...
To fight higher level mobs..
To make more money...
To buy more gear...
To fight higher level mobs...
To make more money...
To buy more gear...
To fight higher level mobs..
To make more money...
To buy more gear...
Maybe so you can equip that relic knife you begged endlessly for people to pass on, since they would never upgrade it anyway, and you almost had enough for the first upgrade?

/slap <me>
(pwnt)
True...
But it will be another 30 years before I finish upgrading the knife, so I got Time.... Hell I think i am going to hit 67 on accident while coffer key hunting... So there still is Leveling by Proxy.
 
Stouter said:
Maybe so you can equip that relic knife you begged endlessly for people to pass on, since they would never upgrade it anyway, and you almost had enough for the first upgrade?

And I didn't beg endlessly. Everyone else did for me :D
I made a post here and made two comments in Dynamis one was " =[ " and the other was "Crap I can't lot over 200 on that fucking dagger."

Now the Tells going back and forth privately were a little more colourful... Personally I liked Unphazed's mt the most. I think he was more pissed off I didn't get the Dagger than I was...
 
Phraust said:
And I didn't beg endlessly. Everyone else did for me :D
I made a post here and made two comments in Dynamis one was " =[ " and the other was "Crap I can't lot over 200 on that fucking dagger."
I remember you also asking people to pass at the start if they didn't plan on upgrading, and saying that you had almost enough for the first upgrade. I also remember an endless amount of bitching about a stupid dagger, that takes several million to upgrade before it's even useful, and is a fairly common drop. Honesty I don't remember how much of it was from you, but even if it was others begging for you it was damn annoying and distracted us from the goal of dynamis.
 
how is there a flame about somebody helping for free?
you are saying phraust is a jerk for farming or camping, but ur a saint for
farming, then charging for drops. phraust is differentuating his money making times, from those when he is willing to help out.
i dont really see a valid point to your argument other than you are getting undercut.
i run my own ls, had it from lvl 40. i've done over 50 rank 4/rank 5 runs
about 20 g1's, countless af's, yet i still find the time for me to afford what i want( hauby snipers, just /c me and see what i'm worth)
i think you should check the meaning of help and the meaning of hired.
you're not helping anyone, you are providing a service for a fee. nothing wrong with it, just not help.
either way i paid for most of my drk af, and from then i refuse to charge or accept any gratuity for my work.
 
Jesus, sweet Jesus people!!!!! Y'all find the damnedst(sp?) things to bitch about!!!! C'mon already!!!!
 
I backed Phraust up in the original thread.
I don't get this.
 
Stouter said:
Phraust said:
And I didn't beg endlessly. Everyone else did for me :D
I made a post here and made two comments in Dynamis one was " =[ " and the other was "Crap I can't lot over 200 on that fucking dagger."
I remember you also asking people to pass at the start if they didn't plan on upgrading, and saying that you had almost enough for the first upgrade. I also remember an endless amount of bitching about a stupid dagger, that takes several million to upgrade before it's even useful, and is a fairly common drop. Honesty I don't remember how much of it was from you, but even if it was others begging for you it was damn annoying and distracted us from the goal of dynamis.

I appologize it got so sticky, It was not my intention, and I really didn't bitch because I knew it would go nowhere. I made the post here in hopes that maybe it would not fall on deaf ears. Because Unlike this time, where a lot of Daggers dropped, not one Weapon other than like 10 Knuckles and a relic maul(?) dropped last time.

Like I said, All I can do is ask.
 
I know we are in the same LS and all Aye...But some of the crap you've done is retarded. You lot on a Dainslaif that Jimm and a few others wanted, you won it and dropped it. What...the...fuck, Also how about that Astral Aspis? You did the same thing, lotted and dropped it while some other people wanted it...Needed to vent, Bye~ :)
 
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