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[Zealot X]

The plan QCDN is on now is Liquidweb's Virtual Private Server Plan I, which is $60/month. Again, the main issue with QCDN is not bandwidth (which is under 30GB/month at this time), but mysql performance.

Those packages are better for hosting a game server or a large corporation, not a forum. I'm telling you from experience as web design is what I do for a living atm. There are larger forums being run on MUCH less cash. I'd recommend Readysetconnect.com. Just look into it. You could host this site for about $15 and still have room to grow if necessary. The thing is, on a forum you don't have a bunch of simultaneous requests going out. That's why you don't need a hefty database. Go to the site I mentioned and speak with someone from tech support. That is the same company used by one of Kevins from G4tv and he has a forum with possibly higher requirements. This is just a suggestion. I'm not trying to do anything more than that. But it is my professional opinion that you are paying way too much and then having to profit from sale of gil because you can't afford it.

And to me it doesn't matter how many people are "buying gil anyway". If we're willing to say its alright because so many people do it then everyone should just buy gil and not play the game the way it was designed. Better yet, we might as well stop playing at all because we're then only playing the parts of the game that we like and increasing the hardship on anyone playing the whole game.

 

[pakomen]

You are of course entitled to your opinion, but you will have to put up with not everyone agreeing with you.

I don't mind people disagreeing with me, but web development is what I do for a living, so I'm used to meeting people who are wrong

You are being ripped off, plain and simple.

I run one of the biggest news agency websites in all of Japan, and up until a month ago they were hosting for $50 a month. It was not a casual gamer's website, it was a news agency. And a lot of the php/mysql development I did would easily break this server just in loading the navigation and whatnot. You are loading vBulletin. If money is really an issue, you'll listen and move on to a host that is more worth your while

As for what the next guy said about people bitching about gilsellers and whatnot, he's absolutely right. I will gladly donate money to keep this site up if necessary. Most of the crybabies will not. Basically they should either put up or shut up.

 

[Sculli]

I made the conscious decision to go with Liquidweb when I was looking to move QCDN off of it's old host. I did realize at the time that the Liquidweb VPS I plan is providing more resources than are needed. However, moving QCDN isn't something I wish to do all that often, thus going with a hosting plan that provides room for growth was the decision I made. While I can appreciate you guys looking out for QCDN and proposing what may be a better value, I do have to say that the hosting solution is a done deal.

I think the whole gil seller ad argument started with the wrong premise.
Currently QCDN is in the second week of displaying ads. At this time there is really no good way to tell what works well and what doesn't. I think it would be worth it to wait and see what happens after a four week period.

I do believe that when the AdSense ads first showed up people were clicking ads just out of curiosity to see some of the stuff they are interested in. At that time gil seller AdSense ads received a lot of clicks, in part due to their somewhat deceiving advertisting (i.e. 1M gil for $5.99, but once you clicked you found out that it was only $5.99/M if you bought 100M, if you really only wanted 1M it was like $20 or whatever).

The main points are:
1. QCDN will not be moved to a different host.
2. QCDN will in the long term stay online with or without gil seller ads.
3. The goal is to have ads that are unobtrusive.
4. People buy gil, whether QCDN displays gil seller ads or not.
5. If the current IGE ad brings in sufficient amount of cash to run QCDN, then it may be worth it to let it stay and get rid of the AdSense ads instead.
6. In the near future (likely this year) there will be a way for people to donate to QCDN and thus remove ad displays for themselves.

I think between those points everyone will receive a solution they can live with. I can't say it often enough, the whole ad thing is totally new to QCDN, and it will take some time for it to settle in.

I am activly working on a completely different ad solution that would make QCDN more attractive to certain sponsors. This does require some changes to the vbulletin code to allow for better search engine indexing of QCDN pages, which is not achievable in the short term (days). The main goal is to get more pages indexed.

Be that as it may. I am also interested in expanding QCDN both in terms of services offered to the users, as well as obtaining more users, and more active users. I believe that it is in the current users' benefit to expand the board (more activity on the AH, Event Scheduling, and LS Recruiting forums).

Some of this expansion will have to rely on current users telling those who are not active QCDN users yet to come on over and check it out. Some of the expansion will rely on me as the admin adding new features and making the board more attractive (i.e. monthly contests) to current and future users.

Expanding the board costs money, more money than I am comfortable spending out of pocket. To me that doesn't mean that this exansion shouldn't be done, to me it means that I just need to find the cash elsewere, and preferably without to tick off the user base. I am trying very hard to do just that.

 

[wolfskymoon]

Once again i dun see the point in running a hospital with cash made from cocaine =)

 

[CubsWoo]

If you don't like the fact that QCDN has gilseller ads on it, you have options.

1) Leave QCDN
2) Use Firefox and Adblock them
3) Pay for QCDN's hosting yourself
4) Ignore them and deal with it

KI runs gilselling ads. Alla tries to get rid of them but puts stupidly obtrusive Flash ads on the site the lag it even with Adblock(and at one point were spreading Trojans.) Gilselling is out there, it's not going to go away just because you don't like it.

 

[Sculli]

Once again i dun see the point in running a hospital with cash made from cocaine =)

Since you keep bringing this up; Why is there no point?
That's exactly what's happening in Colombia. Drug lords build infrastructure for those who grow coca, the money they use comes from selling cocaine to addicts in industrial nations. The coca farmer who receives medical care couldn't care less who paid for it, as long as they are getting cared for. He doesn't force people to buy coca, he benefits from those who made the choice to use the stuff he grows.

I am not advocating cocaine use, sale, distribution, or whatever. I am saying that personally I believe that since the situation exists (coca farmers farming, drug lord selling, american's buying), it is better to have the coca farmers benefit from it through hospitals built using drug money, than the drug lords keeping all the money for themselves.

 

[Braydon]

Everyone giving Sculli a hard time need to grow the fuck up.
Obviously, people don't like gil buying, but if the board can profit from it, at least some good can come from it.

And compairing gil buying to selling drugs or kiddie porn is just stupid.

Don't like it? GTFO. Go start www.I'mALittleBitch.org

 

[Sculli]

BTW, some of the BUY GIL ads in AdSense are actually for buying Gildan Activewear at the NYSE.

 

[Zealot X]

Everyone giving Sculli a hard time need to grow the fuck up. Obviously, people don't like gil buying, but if the board can profit from it, at least some good can come from it.

And compairing gil buying to selling drugs or kiddie porn is just stupid.

Don't like it? GTFO. Go start www.I'mALittleBitch.org

Would you go camp NMs with gilsellers if they split the profit with you? If you're too slow to understand how gilselling feeds into gil buying and vice versa you should probably not try to add your 2 cents. This is a very valid argument for people who actually play the game. Those saying it doesn't matter are probably the ones clicking. It doesn't really matter what we compare it too the point is comparing it to things you know are wrong so you can see how one takes part in it by profiting from it. Cocaine farmers could not exist if they had no market. It's supply and demand. If you say let the sellers exist because there are buyers then you're allowing all the negative aspects of drugs to continue. If you are old enough to understand some basics about business you'd understand.

People who really play this game do not like gilsellers. What sense would it make to help them camp NMs, taking the drop from real players, when you know they're going to jack up the price on the AH? Making their job easier means more inflation. What we need to do is make it harder, not give up and start buying gil ourselves. Because if you do that the only thing you're doing is using real money to pay for inflated prices which are ONLY inflated because your dumb ass just spent real money in the first place. So essentially, you're just throwing real money away. The cost of the gilselling industry is centered around cheating ppl. I have some ideas to bring down inflation and I'm sure others do as well. But if players don't work together then nobody's idea will work.

If you're not part of the solution then you're part of the problem. Don't tell us to get out because we care about the game and its community of players enough to speak out against the gilsellers who are making it harder for everyone. Last time I checked this site was for players, not gilbuyers. Gilbuyers can get out and start their own site. www.icantplaysoicheatbyspendingrealmoneyforfakemoneythatmakesitemsmoreexpensivecausing otherplayerstoquitorfeelliketheyhavetobuygiltoo.com/imgayzors

 

[Braydon]

Zealot, I never said it wasn't a valid argument, I'm saying that many of us, including Sculli live in what we call "The Real World". Not to be confused with a tv show, it's a zany place where people have to pay bills and go to work in the morning. People have very pressing issues in "The Real World" and very bad things happen, such as people dying. And in "The Real World" people may object to somthing. But that doesn't change the fact that bills have to be paid and you have to go to work in the monring.

Now in "The Real World", Gil Selling isn't the worst thing ever. It isn't illegal, nor does it have the bad effects of coccain or child pronograpgh. It provides jobs to people in China and Asia who would have to turn to sweatshops to make the shoes on your feet or the clothes on your back. As amatter of fact, if the only Ill consequence is that it ruins some of the fun of a game, then it does more good than harm.

So when I say grow the fuck up, it beacuse in the grand scheme of things, it isn't a big deal. I don't condone buying gill, as your a bitch for not learning how to farm, but I can't begrudge those who sell it. And I can begrudge Sculli from profiting from the sales to help keep the board alive....

 

[Miros]

Zealot, I never said it wasn't a valid argument, I'm saying that many of us, including Sculli live in what we call "The Real World". Not to be confused with a tv show, it's a zany place where people have to pay bills and go to work in the morning. People have very pressing issues in "The Real World" and very bad things happen, such as people dying. And in "The Real World" people may object to somthing. But that doesn't change the fact that bills have to be paid and you have to go to work in the monring.

Now in "The Real World", Gil Selling isn't the worst thing ever. It isn't illegal, nor does it have the bad effects of coccain or child pronograpgh. It provides jobs to people in China and Asia who would have to turn to sweatshops to make the shoes on your feet or the clothes on your back. As amatter of fact, if the only Ill consequence is that it ruins some of the fun of a game, then it does more good than harm.

So when I say grow the fuck up, it beacuse in the grand scheme of things, it isn't a big deal. I don't condone buying gill, as your a bitch for not learning how to farm, but I can't begrudge those who sell it. And I can begrudge Sculli from profiting from the sales to help keep the board alive....

Totally agree with this one.