Give us guns – and troops can go, says Iraqi leader

Well look how it worked out last time you did it.

However, tbh, I really think they have you over a barrel. "We will withdraw when the Iraqi people have the means to look after and police themselves". "OK, give us guns and we'll be able to do that, then you can go". "Errmmm......".
 
Rambo sucked give me Arnold Schwarzenager as Hercules in New York anyday. Just remember G dub thinks strategery is a word and the secretary of state wants the surge of troops into Iraq called an augmentation. Will it work? No. Would blowing up Iraq killing all the "innocents" work? Yes but it would place the US into a whole shitload of trouble. But in my mind no Iraqi is innocent if a majority strap a bomb to their car just to kill themselves, other Iraqis, and soliders just because of religious views. To think Iraq is suppose to be the holy land because of it's fertil ground between the Tigris and Euphrates. Irony much?
 
Last time we gave non-Americans guns, they started shooting at us with them. If we give them anything to help them police themselves better at this stage, it should be non-lethal, like bean bag launchers, tazers, and tear gas. Last thing they need is more tools for killing. Even some of that stuff might be going too far. Police don't need to kill anyone to be effective.
 
lets give em bombs that they can strap to their chest and push the little red button to blow up...

Police suicide bombings could be pretty effective in a raid.
 
Bigboy said:
Last time we gave non-Americans guns, they started shooting at us with them. If we give them anything to help them police themselves better at this stage, it should be non-lethal, like bean bag launchers, tazers, and tear gas. Last thing they need is more tools for killing. Even some of that stuff might be going too far. Police don't need to kill anyone to be effective.
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Bean bag launchers vs AK 47's. Sounds like a nice match.
 
mmm...a re the lives of a hundred american soldiers worth more than ten thousand iraqi's? they'd have to risk finding out if they crossed the mogadishu line. there's your ethical dilemma to ponder, are the lives of a few of ours worth more than a few thousand, hundred thousand of them. according to the masses and the media, no.
 
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Bean bag launchers vs AK 47's. Sounds like a nice match.
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It ends up being just as effective, at least in doing what police should be doing, which is detaining criminals, not blowing them to peices. You start knocking people out and throwing them in cells and you'll start seeing the numbrs of people trying to become martyrs fall drastically.

Ultimately the "match" is settled by who is still concsious at the end of the shoot out. Them being alive is a major bonus when trying to convince people that a police force is not just a sanctioned army.
 
Bigboy said:
Last time we gave non-Americans guns, they started shooting at us with them.
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Noting that and how Liberal American's would respond to the situation after agreeing with the idea... priceless. "U aided n enemy WTF?"
 
Bigboy said:
It ends up being just as effective, at least in doing what police should be doing, which is detaining criminals, not blowing them to peices. You start knocking people out and throwing them in cells and you'll start seeing the numbrs of people trying to become martyrs fall drastically.

Ultimately the "match" is settled by who is still concsious at the end of the shoot out. Them being alive is a major bonus when trying to convince people that a police force is not just a sanctioned army.
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And the primary weapon of your police force and army is also a bean-bag launcher, because they work just as well right? Right.

Bean-Bag launchers are for dispelling crowds/protestors/unarmed people, not for fighting a civil war.

Not saying give them guns, but dont pretend giving them riot guns will even remotely work for them.
 
Marajade said:
And the primary weapon of your police force and army is also a bean-bag launcher, because they work just as well right? Right.

Bean-Bag launchers are for dispelling crowds/protestors/unarmed people, not for fighting a civil war.

Not saying give them guns, but dont pretend giving them riot guns will even remotely work for them.
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Police don't fight civil wars. And bean bag guns/rubber bullets are more than effective enough to stop an assault. The goal in any of these conflicts is immobalization of your opposition, both real bullets and fake are equally as effective in doing so. One is just lethal. You seem to be under the impression these things dont knock you the fuck out... I assure you it's not an inferrior weapon.

Of course you also conveniently ignored the tazers and tear gas that makes the package complete and far more functional. We don't build people armies any more, that should already be out of the question. Armies are for countries that can afford them and have something to protect. At this point, the only reason you would give Iraqies more guns would be if you wanted to see more of them dead.
 
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I say nuke it all. They won't be missed, and besides, they are all heathens and sinners. I know for a fact that none of them are going to be in heaven.
 
So when your biggest concern is suicide bombings... exactly how is bean bag weaponry going to disable someones ability to see off explosives strapped themselves?

Especially when they're not doing anything incredibly suspicious in the first place to make them seem like they're an enemy. Remember, they're fighting against people in plain clothes. It's not a conventional fight. Real Weapons aren't going to help much either.
 
Bigboy said:
Police don't fight civil wars. And bean bag guns/rubber bullets are more than effective enough to stop an assault. The goal in any of these conflicts is immobalization of your opposition, both real bullets and fake are equally as effective in doing so. One is just lethal. You seem to be under the impression these things dont knock you the fuck out... I assure you it's not an inferrior weapon.
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They dont need a police force, they need a national army. They're in the middile of a civil war. Keeping the peace comes once you actualy have peace.

Skaw said:
So when your biggest concern is suicide bombings... exactly how is bean bag weaponry going to disable someones ability to see off explosives strapped themselves?

Especially when they're not doing anything incredibly suspicious in the first place to make them seem like they're an enemy. Remember, they're fighting against people in plain clothes. It's not a conventional fight. Real Weapons aren't going to help much either.
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Well, there's more traditional skirmishes too. It isnt just suicide bombings.
 
Marajade said:
Well, there's more traditional skirmishes too. It isnt just suicide bombings.
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Well yeah, but thats why I suicide bombings are the bigger threat to Iraqi civilians. Gun fights aren't breaking out against them.
 
How does a gun stop a suicide bomber? People don't die instantly from bullets.
 
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