God and Amputees.

Saying "Bless You" when someone sneezes. Why? Archaic superstitious bullshit. I sneeze a lot, and that shit gets on my nerves.

Actually, "Bless You" or "God Bless You" come from the point in history where the Black Plague was at its worst. If you sneezed, one of the early signs of the plague, please would say "Bless You" because they knew you were going to die.

Still based on religion, but the real use of the phrase is kinda morbid. Anytime anyone says it to me I always rebound with that interesting little fact.
 
I was raised in church. Me being a christian has nothing to do with me being raised by my parents though. I'm grown, attended college, which is the ultimate test for Christians. In college everything/everyone trys to disprove God's existence to you.

What made me truly believe in God is Evolution and how we came into existence. Just like Alayda says he thinks its ridiculous that someone can believe in a god, it's truly hard for me to believe in Evolution. What true proof is there of evolution? "Lucy's" remains? But like you guys say the bible was written by man, well her remains were found by man, and for all we know, could be a complete hoax, or not human at all, but of another species that died out a very long time ago.

How did the first organism/matter/atoms/anything molecular come into to play BEFORE "the big bang theory"? Im a believer that we and the universe are such complex things, that we had to have had an intillegent designer. I find it hard to believe that we humans were single cell organism, that eventually became toads, that eventually because lizards, that eventually grew legs and hair and became monkeys, then became 3 ft humans (lucy) then became what we are today.

The only proof of Evolution we have is half the scientist community saying thats the way it happened with no true PROOF themselves other then words. Why is there no proof? Evolution how scienctist precieve hasnt happened since modern science has been around. Humans have been the same for how long? Why haven't we evolved? Because Evolution takes millions of years? Well we have organisms that live today that date back to over a million of years and they haven't evolved to our times.

Evolution is still theory, because a lot of scientist and even some athiest scientist don't believe in it.



For clarification, I believe that some organisms have changed over time. I believe that some changes have happened to some for survival, adaptation, and thats as far as any Evolution I believe in.
 
of course im waiting on the post that states humans are slowly changing. Appendix no longer useful, tonsils no longer useful. Red Hair is slowly becoming extinct, why do we have a tail bone?


Well take Human Anatomy and Physiology 1&2 and you'll know that those parts have always been used for what they are now. The immune system.
 
Please... explain
Marriages have more rights than civil unions. I believe they should be equal. The definition of marriage is the holy gathering of a man and woman. While it is POSSIBLE to be done by a judge(negating holy) the definition "man and woman" stands. Rather than ruin a tradition, just make an equal one. Everyone wins.


Most juvenile response I've seen in this thread so far, and it's the second time you've said it. Spare us the "Love it or leave it" crap. There's always the third option: Change it.

Except... people came to this county because it is superior to their previous. This country is the greatest in the world. Why? The values it had. Not because we let any easily offended mongrel change things. Thats the failing of the nation, not the benefit.

And Trippy

So that's the answer: if you don't like something, leave. How dare I voice my opinion and try to actually change something I don't like about my country. Why go against tradition when I can admit defeat and be the victim of my own design. Why should anyone stick out their neck? Only moron and genius would fight a losing battle against the super ego when giving in is so damn comforting. So people go on, knowing the truth but prefering lies. Don't think, drink your beer, his problems not mine.

Bela, your attitude is pathetic, much like every arguement you have ever presented.
Why should we, the majority, be constantly forced to give up our ways of life just because it offends some minority? Why should white christians ALWAYS be on the bottom of everything?

If you want freedoms, that's fine. If you want equality, that's fine.
Stop stepping on others to get it.
I'd continue further but I work. Back later to continue I suppose.
(and also, "pathetic" arguments? that's a hoot coming from you types. I've already made perfectly clear acceptable points and alternatives. if you don't like it, why stay?)
 
Why should we, the majority, be constantly forced to give up our ways of life just because it offends some minority? Why should white christians ALWAYS be on the bottom of everything?

If you want freedoms, that's fine. If you want equality, that's fine.
Stop stepping on others to get it.
I'd continue further but I work. Back later to continue I suppose.
(and also, "pathetic" arguments? that's a hoot coming from you types. I've already made perfectly clear acceptable points and alternatives. if you don't like it, why stay?)
Actually.

The premise of this country really is "majority rule with minority rights". It's been that way at least in concept since the nation's inception, and has been so in practice since the 1960s.
 
Marriages have more rights than civil unions. I believe they should be equal. The definition of marriage is the holy gathering of a man and woman. While it is POSSIBLE to be done by a judge(negating holy) the definition "man and woman" stands. Rather than ruin a tradition, just make an equal one. Everyone wins.

One definition of marriage is as a holy union, a sacrament of the Christian religion; however, for purposes of law in the United States, it is entirely a civil arrangement. The law makes no distinction between marriages performed by a minister in a church and a marriage performed by a clerk in an office building.

Marriage equality advocates are not striving for religious recognition of marriage. They're seeking civil equality under the law. I fail to see how it ruins "traditional marriage" between men and women to allow gays to marry, since men and women will still be free to marry each other. This is not a zero-sum game where one side loses something because another side makes a gain.

Except... people came to this county because it is superior to their previous. This country is the greatest in the world. Why? The values it had. Not because we let any easily offended mongrel change things. Thats the failing of the nation, not the benefit.

I have no idea what you're trying to say. You're responding to me, but you failed to address my point that nothing in this country is truly set in stone. "Love it or leave it" is a kneejerk response to criticism that ignores the political and social drive for change that has improved this country since its founding.

By your "logic," we'd still have black people slaving away in the fields and drinking from different water fountains because the northerners were free to stay out of the South.

Why should we, the majority, be constantly forced to give up our ways of life just because it offends some minority? Why should white christians ALWAYS be on the bottom of everything?

Ah, yes... the persecuted MAJORITY. That's always a rich one.

Where are you being forced to give up your way of life? There is nothing stopping you. You don't want abortions? Don't have them. Don't like gay marriage? Marry a heterosexual. Don't want your children learning about evolution? Homeschool them.

Don't get me started on the supposed "War on Christmas," which is an annual laugh-fest that never gets old.

The problem is that White Anglo-Saxon Protestants (males) were once considered the standard-issue American. Thanks to progress, more and more groups who don't fit that mold stood up and said "What about us, guys?" I know it hurts having to share your toys with the "mongrels," but that's life. We're a better nation because of it.

(Side note: You never seem to hear the Amish complain about how difficult it is for them to maintain their way of life. Then again, there's probably not a lot of Amish bloggers.)
 
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Honestly continually disrespecting us by calling us gullible and less intelligent is not promoting a civil conversation in the least.

You are right and I apologize. It is hard for me to express my contempt for something like religion without being disrespectful. The part of religion I have a problem with is the part that creates people like Bela. The ones my criticizim is meant for are the ones that act like that.

However, I personally believe that religion limits a person in life in such a way that greatness is unreachable. The truely devout are on the bottom because people use religion to keep them there. That does make the majority of religious people less intelligent. That is my observation and it is purely my opinion. I have no numbers to back it up and do not take it as absolute fact.

By trying to force us to believe otherwise, how are you any better than the people who made the laws that affect you on a personal level? Even Richard Dawkins says that he is a 6.8 out of 7 on his atheist scale. Why? Because as a scientist he has to be open to the possibility that there could be a God. Again, until science disproves that God exists, people will still believe. We have a right to as you have a right to not.

I'm only trying to force religious people to look at the other side of the story. I will present the information, but I am not trying to make you care.

We weren't asking you to convert, just to be respectful. We are respectful that you have different beliefs. Most of the Christians on this board aren't going to try to make you convert or suppress you in any way.

Most christians on this board. Someone earlier (not you) was talking about how I shouldn't generalize christians into groups and stereotype them as all being a certain way. I must admit, it is hard to make any blanket statements about any group of people so large as the group is going to be extremely diverse.

That being said, you can't really say how most christians would act as you aren't them. I will say the group of people I have gotten the most disrespect from have been christians, but that's because I live in the bible belt. I would also have to say that the disrespect was all based in religion.

If you don't like the laws, work to get them changed! I don't know how you take part in the political process now but loby, write to your representatives or support the election of new representatives.

Don't forget to try and spread influence through discussion on a forum...
 
That's why I don't say jack shit when people sneeze. It's a silly custom.
 
Most people don't like religion because of the radicals, people who try to force their own idea of religion on people and tell you that you are a horrible person if you don't follow their ideas. Chances are, if you are unhappy with the way your government works, unless you are willing to actually try to change it, you will have to learn to live with it.

Canada is a lot more liberal in this. Our government run liquor stores aren't open on Sundays because (as said in another post) the government has to take 1 day a week off. My mother works for the government, for the court system, it is the same there. It is to promote taking atleast 1 day a week to rest up, I work at a resort and it is the same here. Cold beer and wine stores (because they are privately owned) are open whenever the hell they feel like it, some even 24 hours a day.

I attended the wedding last year of my two good friends, James and Steve. No one looked at them as anything different then 2 people who love eachother getting married. I'm sorry that in some countries they feel the need to opress certain things that you may feel are a right not a privilege, but that is your government, not God. If your government puts laws into place and uses God as a scapegoat for it, then I don't know what to tell you. Canada is a really nice place to live :)
 
Most people don't like religion because of the radicals, people who try to force their own idea of religion on people and tell you that you are a horrible person if you don't follow their ideas.

This is true, but it is also more complicated by the fact that te christian religion actually instructs christians to push thier religion on everyone else that doesn't believe.

When Jesus came near, he spoke to them. He said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. So wherever you go, make disciples of all nations: Baptize them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Teach them to do everything I have commanded you. And remember that I am always with you until the end of time." (Matt. 28:18-20)

Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, all my words that I shall speak unto thee receive in thine heart, and hear with thine ears. 11 And go, get thee to them of the captivity, unto the children of thy people, and speak unto them, and tell them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear. (Ezek. 3:10, 11)

That is the King James version, which is what I studied and I still have a copy. My uncle got it for me when I was like 12, it's a real nice leather bound deal. He's a preacher, he means well. Had my name imbosed on it and every thing.

From Matthew, that is jesus speaking. Then the other one is of course Ezekiel speaking as it is from the old testament which is the jewish bible with 5 books edit out. Ezekiel is a priest who is among those taken into exile in 597 BC, a decade before the Babylonians destroy Jerusalem. His prophecies are given from Babylonia. The first part of the book contains oracles and actions of Ezekiel from his call in 593 BC until the fall of Jerusalem in 587. Ezekiel begins to prophesy after a vision in which he saw God's throne chariot and was given a scroll to eat (Ezek 1-3). He has visions of idolatrous worship in the Temple and of God's glory departing from Jerusalem (Ezek 8-11). He calls people to turn from sin. When his wife dies he bears it silently, as the people will have to bear the loss of Jerusalem.

So yeah, I kinda got off track there, but yeah. That's what you are supposed to do as a christian.

Chances are, if you are unhappy with the way your government works, unless you are willing to actually try to change it, you will have to learn to live with it.

I'm workin on that.

Canada is a lot more liberal in this. Our government run liquor stores aren't open on Sundays because (as said in another post) the government has to take 1 day a week off.

Indeed, but Canada still has blue laws. Until 2006, in Ontario it was illegal to hunt using a firearm on Sundays as part of the Lord's Day Act. The issue of whether or not to allow Sunday gun hunting has now been left up to each municipality to decide, many of them now allowing Sunday gun hunting. So really the only difference is your government has the sense to reapeal them.

I attended the wedding last year of my two good friends, James and Steve. No one looked at them as anything different then 2 people who love eachother getting married. I'm sorry that in some countries they feel the need to opress certain things that you may feel are a right not a privilege, but that is your government, not God.

That's really the main problem I have, but it's not just the government, it's the people that push the government to make stupid laws based on religious doctrine.

If your government puts laws into place and uses God as a scapegoat for it, then I don't know what to tell you. Canada is a really nice place to live :)

I'm right there with ya on that one. But Canada has it's flaws as well. I don't feel like getting into it right now, and I do realize the pros heavily out weigh the cons.
 
lol some laws aren't really abided by because they are forgotten. In California it is illegal for a man to wear a strapless evening gown. Yea... ok who polices that? Many laws are outdated and forgotten.

Again, the Bible was written when? Yea a hell of a long time ago by men. Do not take the Bible too literally. Jesus spoke in parables for a reason, to illustrate. I've read the Bible from start to finish and a lot of it is illustrative to make a point so it is easier to understand.
 
In Medocino County here in NorCal you can grow up to 25 pot plants for either recreational or medicinal purposes. The state won't stop you but the DEA might say otherwise.
 
Messed up outdated laws are funny.

I can't remember where in the states, but it is illegal to make funny faces at your dog. Who's going to tell on you? The dog?
 
I bought Richard Dawkin's "The God Delusion" and I'm loving every sweet sharp whitty page, if you are skeptical, definitely get this book. Not to tip people in any one direction, but just for the excellent points he makes, especially about morals without a God.
 
Right on. It doesn't neccesarily make you less intelligent, I guess, but it shows a certain amount of gulliblity. Gullibility shows lack of intelligence. This is not factual by any means, just my observation.

Trippy

So what happens if we close the door on it to preserve or remove gullibility? Does that mean we're closed minded?

Guillibility isn't always associated with religion nor an open mind, it can be, but if it is it can't be much worse(as in gullibility) playing the critic of religious people.
 
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