Good Graphics cards for FF XI

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This is the main PC game I play and sometimes Sim City 4 & KOTOR I & II.

I just bought a PC and I am running Vista w\Service Pack 1

Dual Core processor 2.2 Ghz, 4 gigs or Ram, 500 GB HD, PCI slots.

What cards do you guys use to run this game, or what would you recommend. Would go as high as $200, but mid range cards around $100-$150 are really what I'm looking for, not being a hard core gamer really.

Thanks for any replies.
 
Not a GeForce 8000 series card, that's about the only major thing you want to avoid.

Go with an ATi card if at all possible, their drivers are significantly better quality than nVidia's, especially on Vista.

Feel free to IM me with general OS questions if you've never used Vista before, I've been doing tech support for the clueless™ for the last year and a half and am pretty good with it at this point..
 
Depending on the screenresolution you play on any major brand card on the market these days is pretty suitable for most games, even their budget models.
Personally I don't have a real preference between Nvidia or Ati, neither of them have given me real trouble, both stability nor performance wise.

Depending on the size and resolution of your screen the "in between*" cards as I like to call them work pretty good.
* with that I mean the cards that should fit pretty well in your budget range of ~$150/200, not the top but not the budget line either.
Which is also what I would personally suggest as FFXI isn't that heavy on your GPU but you also play some newer games.

But as stated above, keep it between Ati or Nvidia as other brands have given me and many other people trouble.
In my opinion the choice between these two brands comes down more to personal taste then real performance differences.
[edit] but reading other people's problems with Vista and Nvidia Ati might be a better choice for you.

The card I use at the moment is a Nvidia 9600GT on 1480x1050 game res.
Before I used an Ati HD2400 budget range (€49,-) card on my old screen at 1280x1024 which worked very well until I bought my 22" display and set the game to the above resolution.
 
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I bought a new PC recently with Vista+nvidia 8800 and it's FAIL. ALL spell animations are broken, shadows are totally messed up, it's unplayable. I switched back to XP and everything is fine. I tried 9600 and it's the same BS. Not to mention that you "lose full screen mode" even in windowed mode whenever you install/update something so basically you can't do anything else than FF. If you want to keep vista and don't have a videocard already go for ATI >_>. nvidia+vista+ffxi seems like an imposible combo.
 
I agree with the people who are talking about nvidia and vista.

By no means whatsoever is it a bad card, they're fine, they just don't work well with vista.
 
I've never had problems with my 8400GS and vista. I think it's just the 8800 series that has all these problems.
 
My 8600M GS was slow as hell (20fps in mog house) until I installed the 169.17 driver.

pchan: Uh... that's a bit out there. Did you try 169.17?

I've never heard of outright graphics corruption like that in XI on an 8x00 card. O_o
 
My 8600M GS was slow as hell (20fps in mog house) until I installed the 169.17 driver.

pchan: Uh... that's a bit out there. Did you try 169.17?

I've never heard of outright graphics corruption like that in XI on an 8x00 card. O_o

Yes I did, the new driver only fix the lag nvidia card experienced with vista for one year. My 8800 works fine with FFXI just not with vista. Thursday in Einherjar we had like 20 melee on the boss all using WS, JA etc. Everything showed perfectly on screen, with no lag. The problem seems to be vista as it disappeared with XP.
 
Yes I did, the new driver only fix the lag nvidia card experienced with vista for one year. My 8800 works fine with FFXI just not with vista. Thursday in Einherjar we had like 20 melee on the boss all using WS, JA etc. Everything showed perfectly on screen, with no lag. The problem seems to be vista as it disappeared with XP.

no, it disappeared with a fresh operating system installation. My notebook is running an 8600M GS which is damn near the same core as the 8800 desktop card, on Vista, and I get no visual corruption at all.

For the love of god, people need to quit blaming every goddamn hiccup on Vista.
 
I have used the following, just to give you a range:

Via M10000 Micro-ITX board running a PCI MX 400 card (Hey! the games' fucking old too!)

And I currently run a MSI 7800 GTX.

To give you an idea of the technology scale:

Roughly, my current rig is 800,000x more powerful than that little piece of shit I used to run a second character under the lowest settings to keep an eye on the leech king room during my argus days.

But between this current rig and my last one, there wasn't much difference even though theoretically I ingreased in power about 16x between the two. the old rig was using an ATI all-in-wonder x800(AGP).

This game has too many caps on it, and when you 'uncap' them you unfortunately don't put any load on your video card, you tax your processor (and Ram).

In my opinion, the base line for playable would be first generation PCI-Express cards and matching processor. Anything else you'd have to seriously jump in order to see anything really noticable.

To note, I have always run at 1,600 x 900 with a texture resolution of 2,048 x 2,048 for the most part.

I could provide screenshots of my environment if you wish.

On a more technical note, I use to be a pretty avid nVidia supporter. Their cards were top notch, but one year, they seemed to just make cards for the sake of making cards. Little to no attention was given to the actual design. Think of it like a kid drawing squares to cover an area, and ever square can do so many things. At one point, and another kid decided to use triangles and do the same amount of work more efficiently. ATI kinda got more stable at one point, at the same time nVidia was making hair dryers and leaf blowers, and releasing new drivers on an almost daly rate due to instabilities, and charging 2-3x as much. I snapped. I wasn't going to pay 3x as much for a power hungry loud card that needs a new driver every day.

I followed the trends for a long time and it always came down to: do I spend another 300 bucks for a 2% gain? And if it wasn't 2%, how much of a gain would I need to upgrade? 10%? 20%? And what could I possibly get out of FFXI for the most part? Or is 300 bucks worth the novelty of something new? (Sometimes it really is just nice to buy something).

All-in-all, I stopped watercooling my computer and pissing money into it. I just want a nice stable quiet computer, and I got that now.(30 lbs lighter and 10% the footprint too lol). I only say that because we're in a time right now where the equiptment is all too powerful for the aplications we currently have. So in short, decide with your pocket book.

If you're looking for brand advice:

Asus: Always had memory problems on every piece of Asus gear I bought.

MSI: Pretty rock solid, Can get Gimicky... But still rock solid even if they look like a piniata.

ATI: ATI use to always have extremely strict standards on thier equitment. And the 'in house' brand is the best. They tent to preform about 5% slower than other OEM's but that buys you a ton of security that it's going to work right 100% of the time. I don't see ATI making their own cards these days.

PNY: I use to buy my workstation cards from them, they're the supplier for a lot of OEM system builder like HP and Dell. They make good cards with lifetime warrenties, and build them well in order to garuntee thier production loads and secure those huge contracts.

EVGA? Use to be nVidia's reference fab iirc. They are like nVidia's "House Brand". I could put my trust in them.

Personally I want to get my hands on the next generatoin ATI X2 cards (4890 X2). But that's a still a bit away.
 
I don't see ATI making their own cards these days.

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EVGA? Use to be nVidia's reference fab iirc. They are like nVidia's "House Brand". I could put my trust in them.

Sapphire is the equivalent of this. Sapphire board = ATi reference layout and the equivalent of an ATi brand board.
 
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Sapphire is the equivalent of this. Sapphire board = ATi reference layout and the equivalent of an ATi brand board.

Thanks. My only Issue with Sapphire is thier lame ass cooling design and bottom tier thermal compound. I mean don't get me wrong I don't expect anythign more than the white shit you always get, I just think it'd be nice if it wasn't chewing gum and missed the die target on the 3 cards I seen...

But I will look into it when they come out with thier top tier X2's.
 
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