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[Dayner]

One doesn't have to be of islamic faith to answer that question: They don't like American's, simple as that, and who can blame them.

well most arab dont trust your leader but we dont hate the ppl

but i wont lie if there is some arabs who hate you guys too

 

[tonicfly]

well most arab dont trust your leader but we dont hate the ppl

but i wont lie if there is some arabs who hate you guys too

yeah most americans don't trust our president most of the time either. I would like to ask what your views of the war that is going on right now in all honest truth. i am in the us army and i quite frankly think it is alot of BS for the government to obtain control over regions that are rich in oil

 

[Argenin.]

My grandparents are Arabs from Jidah(sp?) They moved to Mexico during 1940's I beleive. Was there a war/conflict during the 30'-50's? A German campaign of some sord? My grandma doesn't like to talk about it and my grandpa died when I was 7.


I also noticed thata lot of food is made with Filaf(sp), which is rice.
Where do Arabs grow rice if its all dusty desert? My mom says they have to import it from India, making it pretty expensive other there.


Is there some kind of reason why giving the "thumbs up" is bad?

I did this ---->>> (b^-^)b

And my Uncle(who speaks no spanish/eng) got kinda pissed! >.>;

Edit: I know. My questions sound stupid \(o.o )
Im just a curious kid D:

 

[Pompidou]

Sunnism and Shiism broke apart because of disagreement over who the fourth Caliph was. Caliphs are the successors to Mohammed, and you can think of this fourth succession as sort of Bush vs Gore 2000. It was a very messy succession. Shiites think Ali was the fourth Caliph, and I can't remember the name of the guy the Sunnis think was the fourth Caliph. Shiism broke off from Sunnism because Ali lost the election so to speak. As time went on, Shiism began to diverge further and further from Sunnism, and now Shiites give more veneration to past Caliphs with shrines and such than Sunnis do. It seems a lot like Catholicism to Christianity, with Catholicism giving much greater importance to the worldly leaders of the faith (Popes) and added a bunch of original concepts to the religion, whereas basic Christianity just honors God and Jesus. Sunnism just venerates Allah and Mohammed and doesn't hold the Caliphs in the same esteem. That's the best I can remember from my History of Islam class in college. Islam gets really strange when you start talking about sects like Sufism and such.

 

[Arctyrael]

I just want to know why people just can't get along. Then again, there is no answer to that I don't think ><

Pakistanis vs. Israelis
God vs. Allah
America vs. World etc...

 

[Dayner]

yeah most americans don't trust our president most of the time either. I would like to ask what your views of the war that is going on right now in all honest truth. i am in the us army and i quite frankly think it is alot of BS for the government to obtain control over regions that are rich in oil

well at 1st i dont think this war is against islam , but it hard to say now after the events that took in abo-greb and the rumor going on in Gitmo base ...

 

[Arctyrael]

I assure you Dayner, if the intentions were war on Islam, there would be just about as much outrage in the United States as there would be around the Middle East.

I wouldn't put too much past Mr. President Bush, but I don't think even he would have the gonads(balls) to attempt to fight a religion. All I am saying, is that this war is an attempt to stop Islamic Extremists from killing innocent Americans. I have seen nothing to indicate further. It is unfortunate however, how REMOTE situations including Abu Graib and Gauntanamo Bay are being handled.

 

[Dayner]

Is there some kind of reason why giving the "thumbs up" is bad?

I did this ---->>> (b^-^)b

And my Uncle(who speaks no spanish/eng) got kinda pissed! >.>;

as far i know its not a bad thing , but few arab stll dont know what the "thumbs up" mean

some even dont know what _|_(-_-) or V(^_^) mean

Where do Arabs grow rice if its all dusty desert? My mom says they have to import it from India, making it pretty expensive other there.

there few good land for farm here but yes most rice is import from other country

 

[Farys]

Acty, we have already adressed this question in another thread.

The pb of the western countries and especially of the USA is that, in order to keep their economies working, they need to "feed" on poor countries.

To maintain a control over those countries and thus insure wealth for industries such as oil companies, jewelery, tobacco, chocolate/fish/allkindoffood they put their own ppl at the head of the state. These were just men and more often than not they became tyrants (I think any human being can turn bad when they're given omnipotency and support from a big country).
Examples : Iran's big boss supported by the US, Hussein supported by France, a lot of african tyrants supported by Belgium, France or England, Liberia's government supported by the US, etc... ad nauseam.

At one point, it all comes downhill.
- ppl take arm against their corrupted government
- or tyrant think they're god and can screw their "godfather"
One way or another, some cleaning must be done.

Western countries send troops, war ensues and what do you get : an oppressed population who 's fed up with those corruptions and with those invading foreign countries who try to drive their own religion, culture and economy into their brain and life.

Add to the fact that the military-industrial complex, forseen by Eisenhower, is beyond reach of any government and drives any foreign policy your country has undergone in the last 50years.

 

[Dayner]

I assure you Dayner, if the intentions were war on Islam, there would be just about as much outrage in the United States as there would be around the Middle East.

I wouldn't put too much past Mr. President Bush, but I don't think even he would have the gonads(balls) to attempt to fight a religion. All I am saying, is that this war is an attempt to stop Islamic Extremists from killing innocent Americans. I have seen nothing to indicate further. It is unfortunate however, how REMOTE situations including Abu Graib and Gauntanamo Bay are being handled.

that maybe true but after the abo grab pic

alot of arab said " so this is democracy that bush well give it to us , by making us slaves , naked and set dogs on us"

there few ppl that stll hate me for playing this game too
and keep saying "they well put you in slave and naked"

arabs dont trust your leaders words anymore

 

[Arctyrael]

Farys, please keep in mind that America is a Democracy. People are entitled to their opinions and I agree with you 80%.

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Western countries send troops, war ensues and what do you get : an oppressed population who 's fed up with those corruptions and with those invading foreign countries who try to drive their own religion, culture and economy into their brain and life.
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I suppose from a different vantage point we are shoving culture, and potentially our economy onto others. Can I defend this action? Not in its entirety. I can however say, that what we have done, (in Iraq), is remove a leader that has repeatedly had run ins with not ONLY the USA, but several International Organizations. The reasons range from crimes against humanity to illegal weapons posessions. I can't say that I am extremely mad that we invaded Iraq and obliterated the ruling government. It may have been the wrong time to do so. The best time would have been favoring one in which the action was merited. Operation Desert Storm comes to mind.

That said, I feel removing this cruel heartless regime could have benefitted almost all Iraqis -- except those in power. I guess there are a few even then that would not have liked it, but then again, no one agrees 100% of the time all the time. Notice I said 'could.'

What we lacked in removing this regime, was a plan to get aid to the devastated families in a timely manner. There was absolutely no excuse for what happened. None at all. I want to convey that our image in providing aid to those in need was not ideal. In fact, I'd go as far as to say it was completely unorganized and disgusting. I don't want to feel like a hyprocrite, and I ask that you consider I am telling the complete truth here, that I would have been more than happy to be able to provide for as many Iraqi's as it took in order to assure that life went as normal as possible.
They say actions speak louder than words and everything in Iraq is proof. On paper America said we were providing assistance to those displaced by our actions. However, in reality this was not true. Instead of doing such, we got pretty pictures of the few we were helping, and thus were appeased. I do not think the individual American can be blamed for this lack of asisstance. Indirectly, I suppose our reliance on media bias is to blame -- but then again everyone does it(Relies on bias media coverage). I allude to Al Jazeera T.V. to make my point there. America has bias coverage. The Middle East has bias coverage.

President Bush is not a good representation of the American ideal. His approval ratings in this country are at an all time low. I think possibly down to ~25%. 3/4 of this country feel for some reason or another Bush has not done his job well.

Looking at this from another angle:
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Western countries send troops, war ensues and what do you get : an oppressed population who 's fed up with those corruptions and with those invading foreign countries who try to drive their own religion, culture and economy into their brain and life.
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I sort of touched on this in the other portion of this post. Our motivations were clearly not humanitarian I admit - but how much does it take, before a country under a dictator who kills his own people, for the country to rise up and help their own situation? Perhaps if the rift in the country were bridged by a mass slaughter? A large famine? Complete and utter poverty?
Help me understand how all this is better than the potential to improve your situation with a fresh start? America did not execute the most ideal plan to help the Iraqis, but it eventually takes a leader with the courage to stand up and say enough is enough. An opportunity has afforded itself for a country to begin a better life, and all we get is excessive undue hate.
America is not all to blame. Invaders to Iraq seeking to sabotage our attempts to restore semi-normal life to the country keep everyone on edge. The deaths that occur daily create an aura of fear that has no equal. Yet I do not see nearly the hate for these Islamic extremists as I do towards the easiest target to blame. A country? An entity? The USA.

I'm sorry for what happened in Iraq. I feel at some point Hussein needed to be removed. I do feel we should have done a better job. However, what has passed is done, and instead of placing blame, perhaps people should use their criticism more productively to fix the problems.


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alot of arab said " so this is democracy that bush well give it to us , by making us slaves , naked and set dogs on us"
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Indirectly I suppose we are our own leaders, but directly, we are not. Absolute power corrupts absolutely? (Yes I feel the USA wields too much power domestically AND abroad - but that is another discussion of politics for another time)

What happened their was disgusting. Yet, when soldiers are under the same stress, if not more than the Iraqis, mentalities are warped. These men(and women) that are over in the field serving this country have not seen loved ones in months/years. They live under the constant threat of death because our image in the world is less than ideal. Granted, their loved ones are also safer than those of families in Iraq.

The culmination of events and the near witchhunt of this Terrorist war has taken a toll both at home(in the US) and abroad. I would like to see an independent Iraq/Afghanistan that can function as friends with the United States and it's people. This of course is a long ways off unfortunately. I am sorry the actions of a few speak for so many. I hope through this very in-depth outpouring of sentiment can lead you to gain an understanding that most Americans feel for the people in Iraq and around to the impoverished parts of the world.

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The pb of the western countries and especially of the USA is that, in order to keep their economies working, they need to "feed" on poor countries.
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I guess to this I say it is the only possible flaw in capitalism. However, since their is no situation in which to model a perfect economy that poverty does not exist, I can't say if you are right. I will say that poverty does feed the system very well, but I think capitalism would still work with everyone making a decent living for themselves. It would just be an adjustment that would need to be made.


ADD:
You said that people do not trust our leaders. And Dayner said the many do not hate Americans. Why does it seem that something is not adding up here. Arabs want to kill Americans because they do not trust the leaders, when the majority do not blame Americans. Is this supposed to send a message to our leaders? If it is, the hostage situations clearly show this to be a false belief. Fortunately and unfortunately, America does not deal hands with 'terrorists.'

:EDIT: Various grammars and mispells

BOOK :bb:

 

[Dayner]

You said that people do not trust our leaders. And Dayner said the many do not hate Americans. Why does it seem that something is not adding up here. Arabs want to kill Americans because they do not trust the leaders, when the majority do not blame Americans. Is this supposed to send a message to our leaders? If it is, the hostage situations clearly show this to be a false belief. Fortunately and unfortunately, America does not deal hands with 'terrorists.'

in few arabs mind *Islamic Extremists and terroists*
what americans want = bush well do it coz he won by vote

they dont care % betwen voters , they know that bush is the leader of americans and he carry americans will

*edit*

there alot of americans here in jeddah and nothing has happn to them

 

[Arctyrael]

in few arabs mind *Islamic Extremists and terroists*

I don't understand what you mean. If you could clarify that would be post excellent.

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what americans want = bush well do it coz he won by vote

they dont care % betwen voters , they know that bush is the leader of americans and he carry americans will
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Certainly inciteful. But I believe Bush does what Bush wants to do lol. The election was close enough to say that 50% of America was scared of Bush. The other 50% were scared of Kerry. Of that 100% population, maybe 20% truly felt the candidate they voted for was qualified.

Bush only carries about 1/2 America's will if you very seriously only consider the numbers. It may be what the arab's believe, but I can't say it is true.

 

[Dayner]

I don't understand what you mean. If you could clarify that would be post excellent.

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what americans want = bush well do it coz he won by vote

they dont care % betwen voters , they know that bush is the leader of americans and he carry americans will
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Certainly inciteful. But I believe Bush does what Bush wants to do lol. The election was close enough to say that 50% of America was scared of Bush. The other 50% were scared of Kerry. Of that 100% population, maybe 20% truly felt the candidate they voted for was qualified.

Bush only carries about 1/2 America's will if you very seriously only consider the numbers. It may be what the arab's believe, but I can't say it is true.

ya i know the election was close enough but to them bush won and its end of the line , they dont care abot the other 49% they care abot the 51%

Kerry is not the leader bush is
and the "leader" in arabic mean "guy who well care his ppl/country will"

 

[Songi_]

Here is a question, Shittes vs the Sunnis and kurds. I really can not tell the diffrence between them, honestly can barely tell the diffrence between the diffrent christian denominations but none the less, am curiuse to why there is such tension between the diffrent religions. All the explanations I have had where garbled at best, and really from the viewpoint of an outsider looking in.

I'm not a muslim, but I can answer this based on things I've learned in my geography and religion classes.

I'll start with the easy part. The kurds are an ethnic group, not a religious group. In fact, the Kurds are Sunni muslims. Most kurds live in Turkey or Iraq, but they span a variety of countries.

The distinction between Sunni and Shi'a muslims has to do with the successor of the Prophet Muhammad. Before his death, he named his successor, however, his son-in-law protested. His son-in-law claimed that he had the right to be Muhammad's successor based on customs of the day which I don't know enough about to discuss. The Sunni muslims are the descendants of those who followed Muhammad's appointed successor, while the Shi'a muslims are the descendants of those who followed Muhammad's "rightful successor," his son-in-law. Most muslims are Sunni. The Shi'a muslims live mostly in Iran (about 90% of the population) and in Iraq (as the largest ethnic group).

 

[resipsa]

Whoa whoa whoa...I said I do.

So do I. Especially if they are infidels, apostates, or Americans.

 

[Direwolf]

Thanks for answering my question, that is suprisingly straightforward. And yea, the religiuse tension between catholics and protestants was just as bad as whats going on in the middle east. Look at the 30 years war, hundred years war, or for that matter almost all of Euroupean history.

 

[Farys]

I'm sorry I didnt answer earlier... but I had forgot this thread

I can however say, that what we have done, (in Iraq), is remove a leader that has repeatedly had run ins with not ONLY the USA, but several International Organizations. The reasons range from crimes against humanity to illegal weapons posessions.

The problem is : it has yet to be proven!
There's a nice documentary called "Why We Fight" but I'm not sure it has been translated in english althought it's filled with us citizens, cia agents and former government officers' testimonies. What it demonstrates quite accurately is that you've been led to this invasion/war because your government made it appeared like Iraq = Bin Laden.
It's not the first time they've done that (tonkin bay) and I can guess it's not the last time either.

Illegal weapons : none.
Crimes : yes but no more than Turkey or China or Korea or Liberia or etc...

That said, I feel removing this cruel heartless regime could have benefitted almost all Iraqis -- except those in power. I guess there are a few even then that would not have liked it, but then again, no one agrees 100% of the time all the time. Notice I said 'could.'

The thing is how can you make a nation understand you are invading their country for their sake and "right to freedom" when your troops storm into houses, put a gun to their uncle's forehead while checking his id, mumble a "sorry" in a language they don't understand then do the same the day after and the day after that? + reports of pointblank shouting of their neighbors.

(...)but how much does it take, before a country under a dictator who kills his own people, for the country to rise up and help their own situation? Perhaps if the rift in the country were bridged by a mass slaughter? A large famine? Complete and utter poverty?
Help me understand how all this is better than the potential to improve your situation with a fresh start? America did not execute the most ideal plan to help the Iraqis, but it eventually takes a leader with the courage to stand up and say enough is enough. An opportunity has afforded itself for a country to begin a better life, and all we get is excessive undue hate.
America is not all to blame. Invaders to Iraq seeking to sabotage our attempts to restore semi-normal life to the country keep everyone on edge. The deaths that occur daily create an aura of fear that has no equal. Yet I do not see nearly the hate for these Islamic extremists as I do towards the easiest target to blame. A country? An entity? The USA.

I'm sorry for what happened in Iraq. I feel at some point Hussein needed to be removed. I do feel we should have done a better job. However, what has passed is done, and instead of placing blame, perhaps people should use their criticism more productively to fix the problems.

Use criticisms when all your life you've lived under poverty line or uneducated?
What if western companis didnt bribe and take the resources of Iraq in the 1st place? What if Iraq had developed an economy like in the Emirats where the instutions'd have had sufficient money to built schools, to educate children so they can develop a sense of criticism?

It's all coming full circle.

(...)I am sorry the actions of a few speak for so many. I hope through this very in-depth outpouring of sentiment can lead you to gain an understanding that most Americans feel for the people in Iraq and around to the impoverished parts of the world.

All socalled "free" countries think the same but that is this "flaw", the governement (or more the industries behind it) uses to make us believe we're doing war for a greater good, for love or whatnot.
There's no such thing as "an army of Freedom".

(...)I guess to this I say it is the only possible flaw in capitalism. However, since their is no situation in which to model a perfect economy that poverty does not exist, I can't say if you are right. I will say that poverty does feed the system very well, but I think capitalism would still work with everyone making a decent living for themselves. It would just be an adjustment that would need to be made.

I'd like to but, honestly, what company is going to cut down on profits and $$$ for their shareholders for the sake of a "few" poor ppl? That's essence of capitalism. If you can't compete, you're dead. I'm not trying to drive communist or anarchist thoughts into you, that's not my purpose.

I'm for a free market society but not with this economical/financial bubble hanging above our heads. Maybe at the beginning it helped companies growing and achieving a better production and a better work space for workers but nowadays, workers are young asians and profits go for the majority to shareholders... not to workers.
Total-Fina-Elf, the most largest capitalisation in the French market, has achieved another 20% profit in the last year....while reducing its staff and shutting down plants. Hurray!

ADD:
You said that people do not trust our leaders. And Dayner said the many do not hate Americans. Why does it seem that something is not adding up here. Arabs want to kill Americans because they do not trust the leaders, when the majority do not blame Americans. Is this supposed to send a message to our leaders? If it is, the hostage situations clearly show this to be a false belief. Fortunately and unfortunately, America does not deal hands with 'terrorists.'

:EDIT: Various grammars and mispells

BOOK :bb:

I'm not talking of the once-in-a-6month-period beheaded hostage :
The guys who take hostages are not in for some revolution or message or "terror", they're in for some good money. They're mainly bandits who try to make a living in a collapsing country.
Your government denies (as ours do) "collaboration" with terrrorists but they won't turn their backs on bandits.

 

[Dayner]

i see no one got anymore questions -.-

 

[Claxton]

Hows the internet over there? I'm just curious what all types yall have, and if its the same. Also, I like your title.