Haubergeon+1 Vs. Kirins Osode

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For what role?

I'll try to fill in the blanks: "I just use Osode -for WS gear and I use Hauby+1 for TP gear- but I have both!"

Then I would say, you are correct sir don't change what you're doing.
 
For ws, they are very close to the same. Tp in hauby +1
 
one str adds ~0.5% dmg to your WS due to double action: on fSTR and WSC ( STR 75% mod), so osode will give +2% ish dmg compared to haubergeon, which is huge. Not to mention that the 12 attack on haubergeon is useless for anythign that's not a high level HNM.
 
I been thinking of lvling sam and am considering using Usukane body for ws. I'm aware that it has 2 less str then osode, but im hoping i can skip some acc for str in other slots. Im not sure its possible, but im thinking it should be possible. And im assuming i can also use the store tp in some way.

I havent given it much thought, i just dont wanna shell out 2.3M(?) on a ws piece i wouldnt use on any other job if the gain is very marginal at best.
 
It's understood that Hachiman Domaru is second best to Osode. The acc will have little to no effect outside of incredibly evasive 450+ mobs, like Lurkers maybe? Even then I'm sure Gekko acc is still quite high.

The stp could be useful before merits, I can't really see a place for it outside replacing Rajas ring in an Usu body/feet/sword strap combo, if that's possible.

It's just weird, I know you want to save gil, but going through lengths to get the best TP pieces and skimping on WS? 2.3 compared to 16+? Oh well!
 
I dont see how hachiman domaru could be second best when it has the same Str as usukane, way less acc and the same Store tp? And i'd be more interested in replacing usukane feet if possible, since outside store tp they dont offer much. (for ws)

And the difference is i use Usukane body for other jobs aswell, while osode would be only for Sam WS. And im not saying i wont get it under any circumstances. I just wanna utilize my usukane body to the fullest


(I havent done any calculations at all, im just spitballing)
 
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Oh by no means was I saying domaru is better than Usu. Just for WS between that, Osode and Haubergeon(+1). It's just comparable because of the wsacc, stp and same str.

It's possible to replace Usu feet with Dusk +1. I used those before I got usu feet and will continue to use them when I upgrade the body.
 
I ment replacing usu feet with something else for WS tho. I just assumed i needed usu feet for ws to, to keep the right amount of store tp.

Like i said, i havent really looked into it much yet, i just decided to lvl sam yesterday. I just wanted to see how much i can utilize stuff i already have.
 
Ahhh I see, but you won't ever have to WS in Usu feet. Maybe before stp merits. Then again, the biggest improvement any SAM can make while leveling to 75 is keeping 10 merits ready for stp.
 
Want me to crunch the numbers with a setup you might use at 75?
 
you need to ws in usu body/ hachi body with pachipachio and rindomarus ( 5 - hit great katanas) thats it.
 
Feel free to crunch numbers and give suggestions. Im especially iffy on ws set, and would gladly take suggestions on a polearm-build as well. I can get 4 GKT merits and no bushi.


Main: Hagun
Sub: ???
Ammo: Black Tathlum
Head: Walahra Turban
Neck: Peacock Charm
Ear1: Brutal Earring
Ear2: Fowling Earring? (Thinking about getting a Hollow)
Body: Usukane Haramaki
Hands: Dusk
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Blitz/ulthalams? (I might need even more acc?)
Back: Cerb+1 / Cuchulain's Mantle (Have both, idk what to use there)
Waist: Swift Belt
Legs: Byakko's Haidate
Feet: Usukane Sune Ate (I could get away with dusk+1?)

Ws

Main: Hagun
Sub: ???
Ammo: Olibanum Sachet
Head: Shura Head (i dont think i wanna use my expansion head here, i think my mnk and blu could use it better, i want gnadbhod tho)
Neck: ws-gorget
Ear1: Brutal Earring
Ear2: Triumph
Body: Usukane/osode
Hands: Alkys
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Triumph ring
Back: Cerb+1/Cuch/smilodon+1?
Waist: Warwolf
Legs: For now i have shura and usukane. Unsure if the acc or the atk matters at all. Obviously i need hachiryu tho, im gonna try to find a pair
Feet: Hachiman sune ate+1/askar/rutters?


Im unsure how much acc i need in gear for both ws and tp. Im also unsure at which point atk stops to matter on tp.
 
Caerloc said:
Feel free to crunch numbers and give suggestions. Im especially iffy on ws set, and would gladly take suggestions on a polearm-build as well. I can get 4 GKT merits and no bushi.


Main: Hagun
Sub: ???
Ammo: Black Tathlum
Head: Walahra Turban
Neck: Peacock Charm
Ear1: Brutal Earring
Ear2: Fowling Earring? (Thinking about getting a Hollow)
Body: Usukane Haramaki
Hands: Dusk
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Blitz/ulthalams? (I might need even more acc?)
Back: Cerb+1 / Cuchulain's Mantle (Have both, idk what to use there)
Waist: Swift Belt
Legs: Byakko's Haidate
Feet: Usukane Sune Ate (I could get away with dusk+1?)
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Fowling is fine, can't use Blitz, Cuch is best unless acc is capped.

2 sets I see for a 6hit with a Hagun, sure there's more options if you want to use pachipachio for a 5hit.

1. Usu body/feet/Rajas/Brutal/Sword strap
2. Usu body/Rajas/Brutal/Fuma or Dusk ledelsens+1

You can use these situationally too. #1 for ACC could use cuch, toreador's, fowling and such. #2 when acc is capped, for full haste and disregard for too much acc, switching to cerb+1, ulth, attack earrings and such.

Basically at MMJ, with gk8 and good acc gear, I parse around 83% with meat. I switched to pizza and that brought me to 94%, 1% away from 95 because of flash/lurkers I bet but definitely way over the acc cap on other mamool.

Caerloc said:
Ws

Main: Hagun
Sub: ???
Ammo: Olibanum Sachet
Head: Shura Head (i dont think i wanna use my expansion head here, i think my mnk and blu could use it better, i want gnadbhod tho)
Neck: ws-gorget
Ear1: Brutal Earring
Ear2: Triumph
Body: Usukane/osode
Hands: Alkys
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Triumph ring
Back: Cerb+1/Cuch/smilodon+1?
Waist: Warwolf
Legs: For now i have shura and usukane. Unsure if the acc or the atk matters at all. Obviously i need hachiryu tho, im gonna try to find a pair
Feet: Hachiman sune ate+1/askar/rutters?
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Don't worry about acc with YGK. Shura and Gnadbhods are fine, but the expansion piece beats them both if you change your mind. Cerb+1 for HNM and Smilodon for merits/anything weaker. Usukane legs are fine till hachiryu. Rutter's are best as you don't need extra stp.


Caerloc said:
Im unsure how much acc i need in gear for both ws and tp. Im also unsure at which point atk stops to matter on tp.
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Attack is something a lot of SAM overlook while stacking acc/stp/haste first. Once you've got your x-hit and acc capped, feel free to remove acc gear for att gear. A good number of acc to cap at MMJ is around 450 and at birds around 410.

For birds with 240 penta skill: You'll want to use crab sushi unless you're getting madrigal/hunters, even with full usu and no food it'll only be around 380 acc.

edit: With full usu and crab sushi, you should be over the cap. Swap to Walahra/Dusk Gloves in that case and you'll still be at 415 acc.

Tomoe
Pole
Black tathlum
Usu head
PCC
Brutal
Fowling
Usu body
Usu hands
Rajas
Toreador's
Cuch
Swift
Usu legs
Usu feet

WS: Treat it like Asuran fists, it needs a ton of attack and even with capped acc 5 hits will only land 70% of the time, skewed higher by more DA with /WAR.

Tomoe
Pole
Black Tathlum
Hissho hachimaki
Gorget or PCC
Brutal
Fowling
Haub +1
Usu hands
Rajas
Toreador's
Cerb +1
Virtuoso (new belt, acc+12 att+4)
Byakko's haidate
Usu feet
 
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^ what he said.

People usually overlook that with hagun, having usukane body means not needing usu feet if you use pole grip ( can just use fumas).

Over all, you can use sword strap+usu body+usu feet OR pole grip+usu body+fumas. The later will win in most situations where you use pizza, because it gives the highest haste, the first has a bit more accuracy, use if you need ( -1% haste +7 ac +7att). Neither set-ups require usu body on WS.

On my DD jobs I make different sets with different expected accuracy needed. For example on SAM, I have a set with 390 acc ( dynamis etc, I cant remove accuracy and its already overkill w), and another with 410 that I use in einherjar/merit pt/high level NM ( pizza ups it to 450 and caps on every mobs bar lurker).
 
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