Have the times really changed this much?

[wolfskymoon]

ok internet bully. this is probably as far as you will go in life. posting on qcdn is about the only place where people will pay attention to you, because we all know, your mommy and daddy dont like you.


/rl attack.

I'm a bully? usually i defend people. I don't remember making a posts about some guy who forgot his meds and needed one sneak, but i was too lazy to hit one button. I don't remember making a post about some guy who didn't have the bestest axe on his warrior. And yes this is how farz i will go in lifez and my parentz don't likez me.

 

[Raesvelg]

True, you did defend the tard who was too cheap to zone back into Whitegate and get meds, and preferred to inconvenience the the players in his party rather than spend a piddling amount of IS and gil.

Good for you.

 

[wolfskymoon]

True, you did defend the tard who was too cheap to zone back into Whitegate and get meds, and preferred to inconvenience the the players in his party rather than spend a piddling amount of IS and gil.

Good for you.

You live in your own world where everyone is a tard except you. If an Rdm can't sneak the tank and disbands party over it, he's not a team player and is to terrible to get Exp anyways. Natural selection at it's finest.

 

[Raesvelg]

And if the PLD is so selfish as to insist that the RDM cross the zone back to him to nursemaid him through it, rather than just walk back to town and get the things he should have started with, then the party is better off without him.

And no, not everyone is a tard. Just, y'know, the tards. Like you.

 

[Hitaru]

WSM, Maybe you have Selective Reading. . .and choose to read only the minor points.

Falsey was already at camp while the other guy wasn't. They were trying to beat a party to that camp. Falsey didn't want to go back because he had secured camp. Falsey didn't leave party, that guy disbanded the whole group.

 

[Clocian]

LMFAO. The dude was complaining about 200 IS? I haven't played the game in months, but if I remember 200 IS is NOT a lot.

And wtf at the dude who said he had no money to buy meds lol. Come on quetz, you're better than that.

Ferque, you could have gotten the items, and your IP back in the time that whole convo took place.

 

[hellstorm]

Says who? Animation is a few seconds, you say "all the way across whitegate" like its so huge, any camp zone is far far larger than WG. Your trying to prove a point by making it seem like its such a task to goto the AH.

Here, I can prove a point too like this:

Mage goes to cast snk/inv on self, cant find correct macro for a moment... accidently casts inv first...cancells cast...casts snk...casts inv...runs past a few mobs...snk begins to wear...mage searchs for a safe spot to recast...mage cancel snk icon...mage casts snk again....mage pasts the rest of the mobs....mage casts snk/inv on idiot melee...casts snk/inv on self....both pass a few mobs.. melee:<snk wearing help help>... melee trapped in a corner...mage backtracks to melee...casts spells on him again...casts spells on self.....both travel towards camp again all the way across zone...melee finds out he also forgot tools...melee<oh shit I need to goto AH...can i get a snk?>. Absolutely stupid and there is always a chance someone will get agro and kill self or multiple people.

See, this way sounds long too if you argue with words and not facts. It is possible that going back and casting spells would be faster but its a more variable condition and more human error can happen then just taking your sorry forgetful ass to the AH.

Except you forgetting only place you need invis is at the staging gate once you get past that you don't need invis because everything on the north side of map agro sneak. Plus there only 2 danger spots on the way to camp. the little tunnel at K-7 and the tunnel at L-7. Heck if you have some one that has gate key you could invis past bombs then go through tunnel at J-8 and only have to worry about sneaking once. Hardly any room for error and very little travel time. I know because I've been a mage that has had to sneak someone through it. As for them forgeting tools now your reachin. A melee should have oils and powders at all times, but if a melee forget then the mage could help him out especially if there trying save time. I don't like sneak/invising someone else either but does not mean I won't if it would save time and grief.

 

[Silenus]

wtf happened to me that Hellstorm is now making sense? god i hope it wasn't a stroke :/

 

[Nyett]

Plus there only 2 danger spots on the way to camp.

There are 0 danger spots on the way to the AH

only have to worry about sneaking once.

Thats assuming sneak never wears, it does. Things can get problematic quickly...it happens, I'm a mage too.

As for them forgeting tools now your reachin.

You said yourself melee should always have meds, they should also always have tools. If they already forgot something they should always have, how is it "reaching" to say they could have forgotten something else? I believe you are the one reaching now.

It may save a few minutes having the mage run back IF snk never wore and nothing happened on the run both ways, but it is infinitely safer with no chance of problems if they just went to the AH.

 

[hellstorm]

There are 0 danger spots on the way to the AH



Thats assuming sneak never wears, it does. Things can get problematic quickly...it happens, I'm a mage too.



You said yourself melee should always have meds, they should also always have tools. If they already forgot something they should always have, how is it "reaching" to say they could have forgotten something else? I believe you are the one reaching now.

It may save a few minutes having the mage run back IF snk never wore and nothing happened on the run both ways, but it is infinitely safer with no chance of problems if they just went to the AH.

The melee has same chance for his oil run out as the sneak spell to wear and tunnels are big/short enough that easy find a safe spot. Unlike invis sneak can be casted without exposing yourself so not a problem. As for reaching part, the first thing a melee would have done after finding out that he forgot his meds would to check to see if he forgot something else, again known from personal experience, and odds of forgeting both very unlikely. If he happen to forget both then he would have to go back anyway. If for strange remote reason decided not to open his inventory, and got to camp that is why you have a warp stick with you. If he forget all 3 then do you really want to party with him anyway?

 

[Lucki]

The melee has same chance for his oil run out as the sneak spell to wear and tunnels are big/short enough that easy find a safe spot. Unlike invis sneak can be casted without exposing yourself so not a problem. As for reaching part, the first thing a melee would have done after finding out that he forgot his meds would to check to see if he forgot something else, again known from personal experience, and odds of forgeting both very unlikely. If he happen to forget both then he would have to go back anyway. If for strange remote reason decided not to open his inventory, and got to camp that is why you have a warp stick with you. If he forget all 3 then do you really want to party with him anyway?

Hmm... every time I've ever had to reapply sneak after both are up and it's wearing, I'm always exposed. Perhaps you mean you can recast invis without being exposed whereas casting sneak while invis will always render you visible?

 

[Tristam Green]

Hmm... every time I've ever had to reapply sneak after both are up and it's wearing, I'm always exposed. Perhaps you mean you can recast invis without being exposed whereas casting sneak while invis will always render you visible?

Yeah, invisible will reapply itself without taking it down, but sneak will take down sneak and invisible, from what i understand.

 

[Raesvelg]

Last I checked sneak had no effect when recast on itself, while Invis would overwrite with a new casting.

One of those weird little things SE programmed into the game.

And regarding the possibility of silent oil wearing on the way to camp... so what? It's a lot easier to just have to worry about yourself, rather than have the following scenario occur:

Tard: My Sneak is wearing.
Falsey: Hold on, I'll come back for you. Find a safe spot.
Tard: K
Falsey: (recasts Sneak on Tard)
Tard: (runs off)
Falsey: Well hell, now my Sneak is wearing.
Falsey: (recasts Sneak on Falsey)
Tard: Um... My Sneak is wearing again...

Etc.

It happens. Which is one of the reasons I fell in love with Monomi the instant it got introduced into the game, since it's not a horribly variable length sneak like every other version in the game. I've had Sneak start to wear from the spell after literally 3 steps.

Again, we're not talking about casting a single spell, or even two spells and being on your way. This is a question of having to nursemaid someone through a zone, in a process that can wind up killing both participants if they are sufficiently unlucky and particularly if one of them is just downright stupid. It's inordinately simpler if the melee in question, who is for all intents and purposes sitting in Whitegate already at that point, simply heads to the AH and gets his meds.

 

[Zaltana]

im sorry whats the flame about again? i've been staring at hellstorm's avatar all this time.

 

[wolfskymoon]

I like how i am given read only access for saying vagina. Yet you guys get away with saying words like fuck-tard (Fuck > vagina any day. Just like how most of the good players already quit FFXI, same goes for the mods on these forums. Now it's bunch of sackless nerds.

 

[skreb]

im sorry whats the flame about again? i've been staring at hellstorm's avatar all this time.

yeah she is wearing a nice belt lol :biggrin:

 

[hellstorm]

Hmm... every time I've ever had to reapply sneak after both are up and it's wearing, I'm always exposed. Perhaps you mean you can recast invis without being exposed whereas casting sneak while invis will always render you visible?

Actually was more applying you cast sneak on someone else and not be expose yourself. Problem with invis you cast any spell invis wear off. This what make it seem like invis overwrite invis, but in reality what happens is your first invis goes off because you casted a spell at same time you new invis goes on. Sneak on the other hand you cast all day long, as long as it not on a mob and it won't come off.

im sorry whats the flame about again? i've been staring at hellstorm's avatar all this time.

<3 kelly kelly

 

[Nyett]

Just like how most of the good players already quit FFXI, same goes for the mods on these forums. Now it's bunch of sackless nerds.

So why do you stay around? To honor us with your massive, gold plated Rhino testicles oozing with tough guy sauce?

Or does being around lots of vagina's remind you of that hiding spot of yours? You know, the messy spot you made behind the toilets in the junior school girls washroom.

 

[Raesvelg]

Apparently WSM is too tough to read why he got put on Read-Only.

Here's a hint: It wasn't for saying "vagina".

 

[Jimmydaneck]

I'm a bully? usually i defend people. I don't remember making a posts about some guy who forgot his meds and needed one sneak, but i was too lazy to hit one button. I don't remember making a post about some guy who didn't have the bestest axe on his warrior. And yes this is how farz i will go in lifez and my parentz don't likez me.

I like how i am given read only access for saying vagina. Yet you guys get away with saying words like fuck-tard (Fuck > vagina any day. Just like how most of the good players already quit FFXI, same goes for the mods on these forums. Now it's bunch of sackless nerds.

You live in your own world where everyone is a tard except you. If an Rdm can't sneak the tank and disbands party over it, he's not a team player and is to terrible to get Exp anyways. Natural selection at it's finest.

Fine examples of WSM backing up his Defender status all w/i the past 2 pages^^. Hero of the masses!