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I'm helping out.
I donate when i can i don't have much money.
But I'm trying to start a fund at my job to send money to people down there.
Hopfully it'll turn out to be a good.
Trying for aleast $5,000 if more.
 
You can take that as a personal insult if you really want although by your standards it is extremely tame. It is more a personal feeling of confusion as you insisted on citing material and not providing the source as well as criticizing me for providing sources. Perhaps I should have framed it as a question: "Were you taught to cite your sources in middle school?" At least then I could figure out the source of your strange dislike of supporting evidence.

I'm not surprised forums are fulling of complaints. You rarely hear posts from those who are doing well or got the treatment needed as they are satisfied (for all events, not just Katrina). It largely the ones with a problem that complain, even if that makes up a minority it can appear as the majority due to an unrepresentative sample population (forum posters in this case). This also explains why Vang tends to find the internet so full of liberals. While the real population is still close to evenly divided, it is the opposition group that is always most vocal. Same thing will happen if a Democrat is elected president next, the internet outcry will become largely conservative.
 
I wrote that before you posted those articles, give me some time to read them.

Edit:
The first (and 3rd clone) article about FEMA is citing a specific action taken just shortly after landfall. However, as I already showed in my previous links FEMA had been acting well before that. The cnn timeline is nice, but doesn't really cite much of recovery operations, instead focusing on the disaster and weather forecasts.

The 2nd and 4th articles are the ones that really need addressing. The media has been starved for many months (year?) for news that brought them viewers like 9/11, Afghanistan, and Iraq. Why else would they follow that girl in Aruba for 90+ days (where is she in the news suddenly :roll: ). The media is out for blood it is so starved. Nothing makes better news than bad news that you can blame on the government (whether it is at fault or not). This disaster was going to happen no matter what. It was going to be bad regardless of the response. However, the media dying for attention sees this as a chance to blame the hurricane entirely on the government (or for CNN on Bush).

While I see little wrong in the response to Katrina, the government always defends itself whether guilty or not (since that isn't important to the media). Their usual defence is scapegoating, with the target being FEMA. It is sad the government must resort to this, but it is only a response to the media (foxnews included) which is using this as a chance to regain viewers it has lacked for a very long time.
 
that i can wholeheartedly agree with. I personally found the reaction a bit lethargic but that's just my opinion. I wasen't there so i can't honestly back that up aside from saying i watched it on tv and it seemed slow.

The finger pointing and scapegoating is a bit much at this point but more to the point what disturbed me and got me to thinking was what if this had been a large scale terror attack, would i want to be sitting around in the knoxville civic colleseum (highly unlikely but for argument's sake) waiting on rescue? nosir. what got my goat up was all the money and time dumped into homeland security and the promise of security that was given wasen't exactly up to par with what actually happened.
 
Our military is always on edge waiting to respond to a terrorist (or any kind of military attack). An actual attack would bypass all the governmental beauracracies and get a faster reaction in that sense. Heck, just look at 9/11. Even before military preparation like we have never seen before 9/11, we had fighters flying cover over New York minutes after the attack. Troops were mobilized instantly, and every base across the country went on high alert immidiately.

Disaster relief though is not the military's specialty, so you can't really expect the hair trigger response. Most disasters are over before help can get there (earthquake/tornado) or fix themselves naturally (normal flood along Mississipi). So some slight unprepardness for such a large, immidiate need should be expected. I'm mainly trying to point out that everyone did what was expected, capable, and the correct response at the time. However, hindsight is finding some fault in that.

Also, keep in mind much of the relief groups and military sustained damage from it as well. As I pointed out, Keesler AFB was completly disabled. Not only did the base lose power, but the lake to the north flooded and knocked out all the backup generators kept in basements. A colonel leaving the base to help organize relief efforts was carjacked just outside the gate (not in the news, reported from my cousin stationed there). Everyone had their own set of problems.

I still find it funny how the media milked the story of that girl in Aruba for over 90 days straight and now you can't find anything on it.
 
Rones said:
Disaster relief though is not the military's specialty, so you can't really expect the hair trigger response. Most disasters are over before help can get there (earthquake/tornado) or fix themselves naturally (normal flood along Mississipi). So some slight unprepardness for such a large, immidiate need should be expected. I'm mainly trying to point out that everyone did what was expected, capable, and the correct response at the time. However, hindsight is finding some fault in that.
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The only issue i have with that is when it comes to disaster relief elswhere who do we send? While it may not be a primary function it's still definately something that's in training and that we're used to doing which is why i criticize the response to a point. Aside from that it's not like i'm some lone voice crying out for attention about how horrible the government is or that no one cared about the black people :P i just thought we'd do alot better than we did and it made me feel a bit insecure and uneasy about future responses.
 
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