Help Us Speak up for the right thing.

Begen said:
He was accepted into Perfection because he does have dedication and is well equipped. Not to mention we had known him for years beforehand.
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agreed.

btw if you were taking that post as an attack on perfection accepting him, not at all, it was more of a rebuttal to someone saying that he would have no chance getting into an end game shell even before this happening

I was proving that there were indeed people that know him and appreciate him
 
Tymon said:
agreed.

btw if you were taking that post as an attack on perfection accepting him, not at all, it was more of a rebuttal to someone saying that he would have no chance getting into an end game shell even before this happening

I was proving that there were indeed people that know him and appreciate him
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Oh, yeah I really did appreciate his helpful nature, he was very dedicated, it just sucks that all this has happened... it really does ; ;
 
We should pull the same thing when everyone wanted Meeze to be a mod and have all of QCDN put "Bring Back Meeze" in our sigs and all be "bandwagoning tools" :O

Just thinking outloud though lol.
 
Lavi said:
But hey, I guess losing sea pops is kind of karma. I lose all the work I put into earning a braiult, you lose sea pops. :spiteful:
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But you supposedly passed on briault out of kindness to another person? So the work isn't really lost since karma returns to you, unless there was a different motive/reasoning behind it.
 
Raesvelg said:
Well, I think Motley said it best when he explained that this thread is basically over.

So by all means, let's stop having you aimlessly attack the people around me, and rather focus on the fact that you're a greedy hypocritical **** who's only bothered by things like stealing when they don't stand to profit you.
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Are you fucking stupid? Who was shooting aimless attacks that had nothing to do with the topic? Right, it was you who shot first, I replied in kind. Whatever was stolen from you, I could care less and has even less to do with this topic, but it certainly didn't stop you from whining about it. Plus it would have been wasted on you anyways.

Raesvelg said:
It had its own thread a long time ago. If you search hard enough you can probably find it at http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/showthread.php?t=39327


If you search longer you can probably find the one where Lavi flamed the long-defunct SeaShell for not making his/her acquisition of a Juggernaut (for free) a LS priority.
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Completely out of context. I was angry for several reasons and the fact the shell broke so quickly only justified my positions more. For starters, I was told I had to give up my time and effort to give LS members a speed belt which at the time was 60 million and still dropped from KA. Fine, I could live with that... IF that option was given to everyone. It was not. Leadership decided after I was already told I could recieve it and camped several days that I could not get the axe. But never once in the entire discussion was the speed belt issue ever squashed, instead when I brought it up, it was ignrored. What was I supposed to believe? If I wasn't given a simple yes or no, I HAVE to assume you're not telling me for the specific reason that you WILL take the speed belt.

Secondly, leadership was a bunch of morons. How many pop NMs did they schedule and how many of them actually went through? About half the pop NMs we did, didn't occur because leadership lacked the drive to actually say "Hey, gather together, it's time". The ones we did do, we would sometimes wipe on NM we had been doing several times before without fail during Affinity. When we got around to sky, there was absolutely no leadership and I'd stand around doing nothing for long periods. Finally, when we did get started after one six hour Ulli session, the leader decided then would be a good time to pop with less than a full alliance and missing key jobs/subjobs. We wiped and wasted a bare minimum of six hours. This wasn't the only time we wiped to gods by the way, just the most blatant show of poor leadership that lead to it.

Or how about Cerberus? We gathered for cerberus back when he was first introduced and no one on the server had an Algol at that point. We wiped. Now, I wasn't frustrated by the fact we wiped. We did a great job getting it to that point back when very little was known about him by the average LS and even now, not many do outside of a select few do. What pissed me off was what happened after. We wiped, Kaizen took Cerb and killed him. During their fight, I and another WHM who was a close friend that I had invited solely due to the fact we had a severe lack of WHMs began to raise the dead. She had lost several thousand experience, an hour or two of her time to help us with nothing to show for it and what did SeaShell do? They accused her of warping out on us and being to blame for our wipe. I knew for a fact that was BS, I was the only other WHM there and I certainly didn't raise all 18 people, but that didn't stop anyone from berating her character.

So you expected me to stick around for garbage like that? So that I can give me time and effort to be taken for granted? To have my friends treated like shit for helping us in OUR time of need? To stick with a shell which had absolutely no leadership capabilities at all? Oh, right, it's because it was all about the Juggy though...
 
Originally Posted by Soujiro
Wasn't going to mention this but since you brought it up, with your unique slant on it, oh well. Regarding your time with Seashell, you're full of shit and you know it. Here's how it went:

One day after a maintainance, someone decides it'd be a good idea to camp King Arthro. This was a one time thing, Seashell was, and never planned on being a HNM shell, regardless of what you say. Anyway, so as ppl log on, those that felt like it, came to the pop area. I was then told that myself and another nin, who had only been in the shell for about 2 weeks was going to lot the belt if we got claim and it dropped. I said fuck no, i was not going to lot a cash item that at the time was worth over 70mil. It wouldn't have been fair to the rest that showed up. We weren't a HNM shell, we wouldn't be camping KA all the time, so it was unfair. Either way it didn't matter, cause we didn't get claim. Should be the end of the story right? Turns out this was supposedly Lavi's idea to drum up interest in doing HNM's regularly.

Meanwhile, Lavi had already put his mule in Monastic Cavern to get TOD on Overlord. He wanted the LS to camp it so he could get Juggernaut for his then lvl 60 war. So he proceeds to try to work out a deal with one of the shell leaders, to which he was told that if ppl would help him, then go for it. However, this was not good enough. He wanted leaders to force members to camp it, order them to camp it when this was not an HNM shell. When he threw his temper tantrum in ls chat, we heard many of the same things as this post, about putting in his time, no one giving a shit about him, etc etc. He couldn't seem to grasp that it sounded somewhat selfish for a shell to force it's members to camp an NM to get him a cash item, which at the time was around 25mil if i remember, all for his underlevelled war. You can go ahead and draw your own conclusions from this, the connection between trying to get ppl to camp KA so someone could get speed belt so it could be thrown back as a reason to get a juggy seems kind of suspicious to me though. Next time you bring something up, try giving out all the info, not just the stuff that makes you look like a victim.
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Raesvelg said:
Re: the SeaShell situation. Soujiro summed it up rather nicely I think. My response at the time was pretty much: "How much is that worth? And you want me to just hand it to you? Um... I'll gladly camp it and split the gil with you to help you along your path, but if you think I'm going to agree to just hand that item to you you're a little warped".

I maintain that you are still a little warped.

Re: TDS and changing the lotting system. All those "fixes" you proposed were brought up. More than once, most of them. We did, in fact, HAVE tiers already splitting the original crew from the later recruits, a system that cost us rather a lot of new members. What's the point of showing up for anything if you can't lot at all in the cities until the original crew is done with it, and you can't lot in northlands because your attendance is too low?

The only way to save the Show in the long run would have been to do pretty much what Encore has done, namely to rework the system in some fashion.

I still say that if that change had occurred after you got your 5/5, you wouldn't give two shits what happened to any of the other original members that did NOT have their 5/5.
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So much work...
 
Lavi said:
So you expected me to stick around for garbage like that? So that I can give me time and effort to be taken for granted? To have my friends treated like shit for helping us in OUR time of need? To stick with a shell which had absolutely no leadership capabilities at all? Oh, right, it's because it was all about the Juggy though...
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Do not talk about a shell that was a split from Affinity like that you two faced twat. Do not talk like you are better than anyone here, because you aren't. Affinity Fury and Seashell were all very well goverened shells. Do NOT play yourself as a victim in that situation, because i remember that situation very well and the entire fucking shell was laughing at you because you were throwing a temper tantrum, that of a fucking 2 year old when parents didn't buy you tickle me fucking elmo. Grow up.
 
jyakotsu said:
Do not talk about a shell that was a split from Affinity like that you two faced twat. Do not talk like you are better than anyone here, because you aren't. Affinity Fury and Seashell were all very well goverened shells. Do NOT play yourself as a victim in that situation, because i remember that situation very well and the entire fucking shell was laughing at you because you were throwing a temper tantrum, that of a fucking 2 year old when parents didn't buy you tickle me fucking elmo. Grow up.
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It's about damn time you stop restraining yourself.
 
Lavi said:
Are you fucking stupid? Who was shooting aimless attacks that had nothing to do with the topic? Right, it was you who shot first, I replied in kind. Whatever was stolen from you, I could care less and has even less to do with this topic, but it certainly didn't stop you from whining about it. Plus it would have been wasted on you anyways.


i don't think raeselvg or however you spell his name is very stupid...
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Xalioniaf said:
It's about damn time you stop restraining yourself.
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sorry, it really irritates me when someone brings in my old shell like that.

Especially one who doesn't know what the fuck it is talking about.
 
I skipped most of the pages, but this is sort of a funny thread, I like it.

afk giving Necrosis my account info because he definitely won't do anything bad with it.

also afk banging hot sluts.
 
jyakotsu said:
Do not talk about a shell that was a split from Affinity like that you two faced twat. Do not talk like you are better than anyone here, because you aren't. Affinity Fury and Seashell were all very well goverened shells. Do NOT play yourself as a victim in that situation, because i remember that situation very well and the entire fucking shell was laughing at you because you were throwing a temper tantrum, that of a fucking 2 year old when parents didn't buy you tickle me fucking elmo. Grow up.
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Who the fuck are you? Really, don't fucking respond again, douche. You were NEVER in Affinity. You were NEVER in Seashell. I NEVER mentioned Fury. SO WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN TALKING?

Re: Soujiro & Raes.
Perhaps, that's how you viewed it, but I never demanded shit. What I asked was for a resolution. Some if what Soujiro said was true, but what he neglects to mention was that after he said he shouldn't recieve the belt, Duff continued to insist that he recieve it. Dave the other person with the offer never once turned the idea down, I even think he entirely wanted the item for himself, no questions asked. After that, Soujiro shut up without ever making it clear that it wouldn't happen. Instead it was relatively open ended and Duff being the last person to speak on the situation made it clear where he stood and since he was the leader, one can only guess what was going to happen.

That same day, I present the LS with an offer. I asked if I could recieve a Juggy similar to the offer already given for the speed belt. Duff and one other person (his name eludes me) accepted that and the second person already being 75 also wanted in on the deal. I made it clear then that I didn't have a 75 WAR, but I would wait on gear much like I was done with sky for all my current jobs but was earning points for future items. The second person insisted I take first axe since I would be spending my days keeping tabs on ToD until HQ days. I did just that. When I asked for help from a few people, they insisted the idea was greedy. I can understand where they were coming from, but why didn't they say this about the speed belt? They were after all present for it.

So later that day, I brought the idea back into the LS and everyone said it was greedy. Now, not one of them said that about the speed belt. I asked why and was never given a straight answer. I asked and asked and asked about the speed belt, but never once did it come forth that the speed belt was a mistake or that it would never happen again. Instead, the idea was completely avoided. If you're avoiding something to such a great extent like that, the reason can only be that you don't want to give the most obvious of negative answer. That answer being: You still intend to give out HNM, just to select people. All I ever wanted before I left the shell was a direct answer, no BS. You couldn't and wouldn't give it to me. So I left, that was the last straw. How could I trust you when you couldn't tell me one simple thing: The speed belt was a mistake.

By the way, SeaShell wasn't a HNM, but if you entered the forums you can visibly see a section for HNM. In that said forum section, there is a topic started in which it specifically asks which HNM you want camped for which drop. Contradict much?
 
Neisan said:
We're gonna keep doing this until you get it.
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Get what? I should let them lie more? I mean they can keep acting like I left just because I wasn't going to receive the axe, but I don't see them ever deny anything I've said yet. Never mind the shell disbanded a month later due to poor leadership. Never mind the fact Raes' girlfriend left when I did because it was going nowhere and doing nothing.
 
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