Herder's Subligar

Olrox

Olrox

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lv 25 leg gear
DEF: 8
Enhances Pet Accuracy
LV25 BST/DRG/SUM/PUP

Will this effect avatar acc? since they obviously meant for SMN to wear.
 
Olrox said:
lv 25 leg gear
DEF: 8
Enhances Pet Accuracy
LV25 BST/DRG/SUM/PUP

Will this effect avatar acc? since they obviously meant for SMN to wear.
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yes

Avatar = pet

Shepherd's Drink restores some of an avatar's HP as well.

However, SMN already has gear that effects avatar acc, AF legs directly, and Marduk's/Oracle's indirectly through summoning magic. This is nice for low lvl SMNs, but anyone in their 50's+, this equipment is pointless to get.
 
Ewok said:
However, SMN already has gear that effects avatar acc, AF legs directly, and Marduk's/Oracle's indirectly through summoning magic. This is nice for low lvl SMNs, but anyone in their 50's+, this equipment is pointless to get.
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Perhaps not totally pointless in the early 50's, especially when the summoner starts soloing with carbuncle.
The AF spats have avatar enmity -2 on them on them, and the bombs you start soloing in the low 50's are IT++ to you.
Not having -2 enmity on your avatar can prove quite useful maybe even crucial until you gain higher levels where Carbuncle's accuracy gets higher and takes less damage from the mob's attacks.

Aside from that, we don't have any conclusive tests on which of the 2 gives more accuracy during normal melee.

Also the Oracle's and Marduk's only give you the accuracy when they bring your skill over cap.
And then again, only on Blood pacts.
 
thanks, yes my smn is 24 so... i can use em ^^
 
Shirai said:
Perhaps not totally pointless in the early 50's, especially when the summoner starts soloing with carbuncle.
The AF spats have avatar enmity -2 on them on them, and the bombs you start soloing in the low 50's are IT++ to you.
Not having -2 enmity on your avatar can prove quite useful maybe even crucial until you gain higher levels where Carbuncle's accuracy gets higher and takes less damage from the mob's attacks.

Aside from that, we don't have any conclusive tests on which of the 2 gives more accuracy during normal melee.

Also the Oracle's and Marduk's only give you the accuracy when they bring your skill over cap.
And then again, only on Blood pacts.
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If I remember, it's never been proven that the -2enm is for the avatar, since the English translation on the pants themselves don't say avatar: -enm (upgrade version gives -enm to both pet and master). Depending on how difficult these pants are to obtain, they may not be worth the effort for anyone already in the mid 50s. I have all 3 of the pants mentioned (actually have af+1 now), and personally don't plan on getting these. To the OP, for your level these are a decent item to invest time in getting, so GL^^
 
/emo /emo /emo

Fuck this, 1000+ mobs, god knows how many chests with none helpful clues (and countless potions!!!) .... BLAARRGHHH

My (arrogant and ignorant) conclusion, I've never needed extra accuracy so far to do what I do, and therefore, I do not need placebo accuracy with a seemingly invisible stat that we will hardly notice the difference even by equipping them. Plus our pet will probably die shortly afterwards . . .

If I remember, it's never been proven that the -2enm is for the avatar, since the English translation on the pants themselves don't say avatar: -enm (upgrade version gives -enm to both pet and master). Depending on how difficult these pants are to obtain, they may not be worth the effort for anyone already in the mid 50s.
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Ewok. Save your life. Don't go out to get these. Don't ... noooo .... afk killing myself






Although I do kinda want them so I look like I'm 4/5 in Hecatomb Gear. . .
 
Ewok said:
If I remember, it's never been proven
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Actually it is:

http://na.square-enix.com/events/ffxi/tour2005/tx/transcript.html

さて、性能はと言うと、AF中でも屈指の微妙性能である。エボカースパッツのみ使用に耐えうるものとしての認識が大半である。全部位装備するとMP+80と大きくブースト出来るものの、召喚獣の敵対心を11も下げてしまう。召喚獣は矛であり盾でもあるため、唯でさえ打たれ弱い召喚士本人が、敵のターゲットを自分に向ける危険性のあるこの部分に目を瞑る訳にはいかない。

Lolgoogle translation:

Now, say performance, AF particular, is one of the most subtle performance. EBOKASUPATTSU can only be used as a stand most of the recognition. MP +80 to all parts and equipment can greatly boost, but also summoned 11 of the beast down hostile sentiments. With a hatchet and shield summon the beast, so they are only weakly struck even summoned his driver and his enemy targets at risk for this part of the eye can not瞑RU

Also the french translation sais avatar: enmity -2
 
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Shirai said:
Actually it is:

http://na.square-enix.com/events/ffxi/tour2005/tx/transcript.html

さて、性能はと言うと、AF中でも屈指の微妙性能である。エボカースパッツのみ使用に耐えうるものとしての認識が大半である。全部位装備するとMP+80と大きくブースト出来るものの、召喚獣の敵対心を11も下げてしまう。召喚獣は矛であり盾でもあるため、唯でさえ打たれ弱い召喚士本人が、敵のターゲットを自分に向ける危険性のあるこの部分に目を瞑る訳にはいかない。

Lolgoogle translation:

Now, say performance, AF particular, is one of the most subtle performance. EBOKASUPATTSU can only be used as a stand most of the recognition. MP +80 to all parts and equipment can greatly boost, but also summoned 11 of the beast down hostile sentiments. With a hatchet and shield summon the beast, so they are only weakly struck even summoned his driver and his enemy targets at risk for this part of the eye can not瞑RU

Also the french translation sais avatar: enmity -2
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A bit difficult to understand the goolge translation. And don't forget, things sometimes are lost, or confused, in translation. It is always better to get someone who speaks the language to confirm it, then to rely on a program.

FFXI Stratics: One of the biggest debates in the summoner community deals with the stat found on the artifact armor "avatar: enmity: -". Who receives this effect?

Sage Sundi: The enmity status is related to the avatar, not to the summoner. It's useful to use "avatar: enmity+" when you want your avatar to keep the hate.
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Never debated this. But if you look at the NQ af pants, it does not say avatar: -enm. It says -enm.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Evoker's_Spats

Whereas

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Evoker's_Horn

Says avatar: -ENM, which I don't debate in the slightest that it means the avatar's enm is reduced.

Keep in mind, I didnt exactly mean that the af pants DONT give the avatar -enm, just that it hasn't been proven. I reserve my judgement for when SE fixes the English text, if it needs fixing (Numerist Pumps did read hMP+4 originally, for example, though ZNMs have not been out for nearly as long as the af).

Shirai said:
And then again, only on Blood pacts.
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Lol, outside of building TP for magical attacks, who relies on avatar melee attacks?
 
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lol actually I got stupid lucky and 2 dropped in my second brown chest, spent about 30 mins in sauromugue and got dodo skin and 2x herder subligars... sucks 1 went to waste ; ;
 
Olrox said:
lol actually I got stupid lucky and 2 dropped in my second brown chest, spent about 30 mins in sauromugue and got dodo skin and 2x herder subligars... sucks 1 went to waste ; ;
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Shirai said:
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Evoker's_Spats



http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Talk:Evoker's_Spats
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# notes: the enmity display is just same as on the picture, I did test with Japanese person today, and he told me same as what it's display. (6/1/2008)

# I support this statement. I use the Japanese client and there is no indication that the enmity down effect applies to the avatar. (11th March 2008).

Still sounds inconclusive to me, lol. From your link btw.

The interview with SE is irrelevant, seeing that they were asked what avatar: -enm meant, not what gets the -enm from the spats, or whether the english version was mistranslated.
 
lol why everyone debate the avatar - enm? I look everywhere and they never talk what is the acc% rate on evokers sprats /+1. It seem the herder's are 10% but what the % on the evokers?

Also it the avatar that loses the enm not the player when avatar: is in front of the number. That was asked about the yyr enm in a interview a while back.
 
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