Here you go Osyris, I've got what you want.

so you're saying UT3 can't do Halo 1 right for balance/such cause Halo 3 is balanced? O.o
 
Elemmire said:
so you're saying UT3 can't do Halo 1 right for balance/such cause Halo 3 is balanced? O.o
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Ele wtf are you talking about? UT cant do halo because its still UT weapons, sped up on crack and looks like a horror flick. And Halo 3 is very well balanced, not perfect but closest to it lol. Now what are you asking?
 
I thought you could customize weapons too with the UT mod stuff.. hmm..

And no, I thought you were making a silly comparison saying UT3 wouldn't be able to do Halo 1 cause Halo 3 is balanced and UT3 isn't as balanced weapon-wise. Or perhaps I was just taking things differently hmm. But I do agree, I don't even think UT3 could exactly make Halo 1 mod feel like the original Halo 1 :P big reason being the control is different but we'll see.
 
With mods you pretty much do anything that the UT3 engine is capable of, which it could do Halo easily. It's doubtful anyone will bother because Halo is easily available and there's little motivation. It's a good way to get your feet wet, making some Halo maps and character designs.

However as I said, people put the real effort in trying to get a job, and that requires something original. It's either that or being huge fans. In the case of Halo, Halo fans can just play Halo. On the other hand, you can expect to see a mod of something like Goldeneye coming out, with UT3 engine and high res graphics.

It's not just about having the maps and the skins, you can change the physics around and tweak the gameplay to make it like whatever you want.
 
TheOsyris said:
You forgot to add a huge "In my opinion" there Fire.
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Actually, he forgot "In the opinion of the FPS community"

Halo's just Colorful and simple, which is why its popular. It drew in people who sucked at most FPSs.

Also, Warfare is the single best gameplay mode EVER. Why am I not playing it right now.
 
1. Your wrong about the whole FPS community feeling that way. A large amount of the people who are not die hard UT fans feel the game is regular and not close to others out.
2. YOU feel halo is simple and thats why its attractive. It has some of the most complicated development and physics.
3. A large amount of the people who are not die hard UT fans feel warfare is a taked on type of game. Which i for one feel. It could have been something, it turned out to be a mess. I am sure the next game that copies it will get it right.
 
I'm sorry but you have to take a step back and consider all of this logically. You jump from being a fan of Unreal Tournament in the earlier iterations to disliking the game, stating it's just like the earlier games that you already liked. All the same, your favorite shooter is Halo 3. If we're going to talk about iterations and improvement? Halo 3 is a copy of Halo 2... with worse maps and unimpressive graphics. I enjoy Halo 3... for the campaign that's pretty damn badass, but the multiplayer is very last generation. I play it and I feel like I'm playing Timesplitters on the PS2.

Unreal tournament 3, if nothing else, is a fucking technical masterpiece. Before we even get into the gameplay of it, it blows everything else on consoles away technically. I might say that playing UT3 on PS3 is better than playing most shooters on a very high end PC, because it's so stable at incredible speeds with great graphics, a PC is going to chug randomly sometimes for no reason. UT3 is smooth as fucking butter. Besides that, there is innovation, from the hoverboard, to the crazy vehicles to the fact that they gave a god-honest, high end PC port of Unreal Tournament that's never left the PC with that quality.

Top it off with mods and dedicated servers and it's all gravy.

Now beyond that, when you go into the gameplay aspect, you can say you prefer Halo, and I can say I prefer Unreal Tournament, and nobody is right or wrong. If everyone in the world said Unreal tournament is better or Halo is better, it wouldn't matter, it's all opinion. But what is true is that Halo is more generic. It is, "easy to learn, difficult to master," in that anyone can go out and play Halo but you can get a lot of time mastering it. Unreal Tournament is unique. It's not mainstream and it never tried to be. It's frantic, it's wild, it's insane. You don't plan out shit with your team, you don't have time. You fucking go out and shoot. You struggle to survive while the game keeps going on and on like a damn jackhammer, missiles and green balls flying at you, people from all directions shooting.

It's a different kind of tactical. You have to think on your feet and adapt to situations that can't be anticipated. It's a completely different mentality. The difference is that if I want to play a more tactical, slower paced game, Call of Duty beats Halo 3 in every freaking way. Call of Duty bends over Halo and makes it it's woman. Unreal tournament on the other hand is out on its own doing its own thing. It's like the the Wii. PS3 and 360 are direct competition, and the Wii is out there being completely different.
 
UT has been the same way since let me see, 1999? You can bring up Halo 2 to 3 similarities but its only 2 games. Its Halo 2 which broke multiplayer records. Then halo 3 where they tried to improve and tweak the game. Is there honestly anything wrong with the games multiplayer being so similar to halo2s? If it aint broke dont fix it? Now same line can be said for UT, im just getting at the fact its made minimal attempts to change gameplay in almost 10 years man. 10 years. Thats alot more then you can say about bungie giving 2 similar multiplayer games.
We have had the conversations about UTs gameplay, my perspective and yours. Its pointless, you like it, i dont. Maybe someone neutral would be decent to hear from.
And again IN YOUR OPINION, CoD bends over and whatever else Halo. Alot of people here share that opinion. I think alot only share that opinion because CoD is so much more friendly and easy to be "good" at. Halo 3 is the current leader of online gaming still tho. Numbers dont lie.
UT is not a game people always group with great gameplay. It is usually brought up in conversations because of the moding and limitless things that come with that. Im talking about previous pc versions here btw. Since you brought up how i liked past versions, you can even look somewhere in post history and see how excited i was before the game was actualy released. These games are judged by the competition as far as i am concerned and for me UT just fades into the background now a days. It is all opinion and the FPS market is flooeded anyways. Hell i will probably like turok. Thats all :p

EDIT: Also, i asked a while back and didnt see if anyone answered. Are the UT mods for PS3 scheduled to be on PSN at any time?
 
First off you gotta remember that when I say Halo 3 is like Halo 2, I mean Halo 1/2. The reason people say Halo 2 mostly is because Halo 1 didn't have online, which was ridiculous considering that was the main selling point of the Xbox and it was their flagship title. Just goes to show what marketing hype can do, and lack of competition.

And when you judge based on competition, that's where I get confused. This is cause Unreal Tournament doesn't really have any. It's a twitch shooter, which is essentially a dead genre. It's like saying you don't like some Tactical RPG because a bunch of regular RPGs just came out. They're the same basic elements but a very different kind of game. If UT3 came out and decided to occupy the same space as Halo and Call of Duty, it'd probably have gotten better sales. That's not what it is though, and if you've been playing it since UT99 you should know that. Seriously in the flood of shooters we've had in 2007, most of it is generic bullshit.

The Darkness is bullshit. Jericho is bullshit. Halo is generic but good. Haze is generic but looking to be good. Call of Duty 4 is outstanding but only slightly innovative. Team Fortress sucks. Rainbow 6 is a great Socom clone. Kane and Lynch is bullshit.

Like it or hate it, Unreal Tournament stands far apart from all of that. At this point I'm convinced if you could love turd like Jericho, there's something mentally blocking you from UT3 that has nothing to do with the game.

And no, Sony has nothing to do with the mods. This is a good thing because it means they're not regulated at all by copyright law or any other corporate bullshit. Just open up your PSN browser, go to http://www.ut3mod.com/ and download from there.
 
if I may... Halo is almost non-existant in Asia. Seriously, you can *almost* say only NAs play Halo. God knows why it's such a big deal. In conclusion, that's why you almost don't see Xboxes at homes in Asia - because no one gives a damm about a guy who runs around in a gay green suit. :P

omg.. I'm gonna get flamed.
 
oh now... that's just epic :D
 
masamura said:
if I may... Halo is almost non-existant in Asia. Seriously, you can *almost* say only NAs play Halo. God knows why it's such a big deal. In conclusion, that's why you almost don't see Xboxes at homes in Asia - because no one gives a damm about a guy who runs around in a gay green suit. :P

omg.. I'm gonna get flamed.
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Why would you get flamed? Sure you are kinda annoying but only in the sense you are trying to make it known your opinion is final. You dont know what you are talking about but you are sorta close, with that being said anyhting more is just errelevant to the discussion we have had here. I never have had the chance to read anything you have posted and have no idea where you stand. From your post here i would say "Fan boyism" maybe. But hey i dont know you. What would be the point of flaming you? lol. Fire i kinda understand, and he is smart about what he says. Even if i dirrectly agrue against him i wouldnt call it a flame.
 
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