Hey WHM, Did You Forget about Benediction?

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This isn't really a flame, but more of an annoyence. I was in a party today, in the jungle, and once again, majority of the party died. We were fighting a Gob, and yeah i know with gobs theres a chance with the bomb toss for things to go wrong, but still, this is about WHM's and their 2hr, Benediction.

I was the NIN, and we had a Sam, smn, drk, brd, and whm. We were fighting a gob, and that gob just kept hacking and using bomb toss at us. It had no more then a tick of health, perhaps 3% hp left. We knew the Whm had her 2hr left, and 4/6 members of our party were in red coloured health, with no more then 40 hp. Of course, the 4/6 of us died, and the brd and whm survived, they finished it right after the gob finished us.

All i'm saying is : Whm, if you have your 2hr avalable, and the mob has a tick of health left, USE IT. I'm not expecting you to use it when the mobs full health, because of coure you'll die, but still, enoughs enough!

Thanks
 
Two hours seem more like a novelty in exp pt's.. I've seen PLD's die without using Invincible, pullers (Thf) die without Perfect Dodge, WHM have a pt wiped with Bene.. it's frustrating!
 
WHM prolly did forget about Bene. Happens alot. It's not like they have to use it all the time, its easy to forget its there. Doesn't make it totally ok, but I certainly wouldn't be pissed, I can understand not remembering.
 
I normally use my pld 2 hour in case of links and I need that extra 30 seconds =P
 
I forget about Chainspell >.> But then again that is a totally usless two hour since when I need it I have no MP and Convert is down ~.~

As far as WHM goes. Chances are the WHM did forget. I know I once leveled WHM and forgot about it in one or two cases. Another thing is if you do not macro your two hour, theres a very good chance you will be unable to reach it in time when your stressed out...ever try typing something too fast and thus typoing? Or going through your menu too fast and ending up in the wrong menu(weapon skills instead of Job abilitys or black magic instead of White Magic) its happened to me and I have missed certain spells because of it. Very possible for someone to do that(for a WHM thye would most likely go into the White Magic menu instead of Job abilitys).
 
Or the fact that WHM also has Raise. To be honest I onry use Bene in EXP parties when 2 conditions are met. 1) We have a PLD tank and 2) we are fighting an MN. Other than that there is no point to use it.
 
ForteTeppo said:
I normally use my pld 2 hour in case of links and I need that extra 30 seconds =P

I usually use it when im running for my life to a zone and dont want to die right before i hit the zone ^^
 
Wait, wait, wait.... Whms have Benediction? O.o This is news to me.
 
Don't Blame the WHM. You had a SMN and a BRD that could've used Divine Seal+Curaga FTW. If you run to the TalibanGob when he's about to Bomb Toss, you can make him drop the bomb before it goes off.

If the outcome of the battle was relying on the WHMs Bene, that means nobody had MP left. The tank at that time should've zoned the Gob because you can't fight without cures and that was the wiser choise of action.

Benediction is a waste of an ability because my SMN can fully heal a PT with Divine Seal+Curaga 2. My WHM heals even more with that combination and with Curaga 3. I hardly use Curaga 4 or Benediction.
 
I forgot to menchin, if thats how u spell it, that the whm DID remeber she had 2hr left. Right after, she said "Shit, sorry guys, i was just about to use my 2hr." -.- we were all like, disband. She had like 10 seconds, it takes 2 seconds to get to it, but somemithra is right, she may have panicked... oh well.
 
I forgot to menchin, if thats how u spell it, that the whm DID remeber she had 2hr left. Right after, she said "Shit, sorry guys, i was just about to use my 2hr." -.- we were all like, disband. She had like 10 seconds, it takes 2 seconds to get to it, but somemithra is right, she may have panicked... oh well.
 
She probably panicked. We all panic at one point or another.
 
Benediction is a messed-up 2hr honestly....It can save everyone and kill the user right away but not always....It can be totally ineffective because more powerful mobs will use an AoE attack to totally undo it's effects now (thank you SE for the AI "up-grade")....But the worst thing is using it, saving the party and then having the melees scream at you for stealing hate >.<
 
Stupid People

Only thing I can say about this is i got yelled at as WHM for not casting benediction when only one party member needed heal, started to cast Cure 3 as he got killed, why waste a two hour on one person, damn these people, again its his fault, he had no gear to help him live.....
 
Negorissimo said:
Don't Blame the WHM. You had a SMN and a BRD that could've used Divine Seal+Curaga FTW. If you run to the TalibanGob when he's about to Bomb Toss, you can make him drop the bomb before it goes off.

If the outcome of the battle was relying on the WHMs Bene, that means nobody had MP left. The tank at that time should've zoned the Gob because you can't fight without cures and that was the wiser choise of action.

Benediction is a waste of an ability because my SMN can fully heal a PT with Divine Seal+Curaga 2. My WHM heals even more with that combination and with Curaga 3. I hardly use Curaga 4 or Benediction.

They were in the jungle (yhoator or yuhtunga was not specified) so the level range would be about 25-32 (27-32 is probably more accurate since they are taking a gob). So a SMN or BRD would need to be a minimum of level 32 to have Curaga, level 16 spell. In this case, I doubt they were 32 since most parties tend to disband or level 32 players move on to a new area.

Most likely in this case, the WHM was nervous having to keep people alive in a bad situation and either forgot or neglected to use it. Being the WHM is the only job around to raise at that level she may have considered it wiser to stay alive to be able to raise the party than die and wait for a raise herself. Benediction in your party setup with the minimal amounts of +enmity gear available and the lack of MP to cure her once benediction is used, would almost guarantee death for her. For a pickup party most WHMs would probably not use it unless there is a guarantee they will not die and your party had no guarantee. Up until jobs started recieving AF did I feel comfortable using Benediction and even then it wasn't a guarantee of safety.
 
Interesting post. I'll go ahead and set out both my general thoughts and my thoughts specific to this situation.

First, as to the specifics. whms generally don't marcro Benediction. Why? Simply because there is too much of a chance of mis-keying the macro and setting it off when you don't want to. Not only does it lose you a two hour ability, it potentially messes up the battle you're in (whm gets hate, mob moves, skillchains miss, sata misses, whm dies a horrible death and other similar, minor, unimportant consequences). So, most whms don't arrange for access where it can easily be miscued. As a consequence, it's not something most whms can get to in 2 seconds, unless they've planned for it in advance (e.g., Fenrir, where I'd expect to get some grief if I DIDN'T macro it). And yes, it's very easy, in emergency situations, to mistype, miskey, mis-scroll, mis-select, etc. I think everyone miskeys a lot more than they want to admit - it's just that with whms it's usually far more noticeable.

Now to a third point as to the specifics of the situation. It's Yhoater or Yuhtunga - meaning the parties are level 25 to maybe 32. Which means people are still learning their jobs. lol, give the poor whm a break! Seriously, when I think of the high comedy that is a level 30 party with a newly leveled 30 thief doing its first SATAs, the possibility that a whm won't be familiar with bene at that level is very real. I'm seriously trying to think how many times I used benediction from 12 to 30, and I can remember maybe about eight times times, if that many - and only about four of them stand out in my memory, because I was politely told I shouldn't have used it - while I was lying facedown in qufim etc. Give your poor whm a break! ^^

Next, with raises, each person probably lost about 3 mobs-worth of experience, and the 10-15 minutes it takes for one mage to raise a party and get it healthy (unweakened, hp back, mp back, buffed) - which the whm is doing, pretty much nonstop from wipe to next battle, sometimes in the face of silence (while those dead are either stewing or, more likely, off getting snacks, going to the bathroom, etc.) or in the face of anything from polite questioning to boorish and venomous second guessing. Do you think the whm was all that happy either?

Most good whms absolutely hate it when anyone in their party dies - many of us take it as a personal failure if a single person dies, even in the face of links, bombs, aggro from badly selected camps, etc., and we try to learn from those so it doesn't happen again. It's called learning from our mistakes, and it's how most good whms get to be good. This one owned up to not using bene - is there anything more that could be done that is at all constructive? I don't really think so.

Finally, as to the job itself and the flame. As a general proposition, one of the reasons I love being a whm is because I hold the primary responsibility for the health of my party in my hands. rdms, smns, brds, blms may backup cure, buff, debuff, but when it comes to the party's over health and our ability not only to survive but to get good, steady experience, if I'm in the party as a whm they're looking to primarily to me to keep us all healthy and going strong. And as a general proposition, if I make a mistake, it seems much more likely to be noticed, because it is much more likely to have a direct and, potentially, severely negative impact on the party. This is why whm has never been boring to me. And if things really go south, we're the ones who are trying to keep everyone alive and fighting or, sometimes, to salvage things by reraising and raising, sometimes in very hostile situations. That's why whm is exciting to me. It's why other jobs mostly are boring to me.

One unfortunate consequence of this is that if things go south, a lot of times the whm gets the blame. In lots of cases this is deserved. We are not perfect, we make mistakes. In other cases, others' mistakes are of such a nature that we are not able to retrieve the situation. Links, camping where there are aggressive pops, inappropriate target selection, overnuking, skillshcains not coming off, whatever. And frequently, when others make mistakes, they also own up to it or the mistake is properly identified and there's some sort of educational process. Sometimes, however, (and fortunately, not as frequently as it used to be) whms do seem to be singled out for a bit more than their fair share of it. So please, give your friendly, helpful whm a bit of slack when you can. ^^ My question here, for example, is whether anyone else who didn't use their 2-hour in an appropriate situation would have been singled out for a flame. My thought is, prolly not.

As a final, humorous note - I still very fondly remember that time long ago when I was a 15 blm full of pi$$ and vinegar, anxious to try out my new -ga spell! So, at oasis in the dunes, I very proudly used it! Score: Leeches 6; Party 0! Bodies lying everywhere, and my party telling me just exactly what they really thought of my new Stonaga spell! Their comments on my wonderful new spell were very colorful and vocal, and made a lasting impression on me! It's actually quite humorous to think back on... now... I think...

It was also a mistake - one that I learned quite a bit from, thank you very much! But, thank gawd, it never made the flameboards till now ... ^^

Sincerely,
Firebrand
 
I macro potential party-saving 2hrs like that, but I do it in a very sneaky way.


/ja Benediction <stpc>
/echo Benediction . . . are you sure?
 
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This is what i used to calculate the PT lvl. I doubt they were PTing with a NIN lvl 37 as Mages lvl 32. I know they could've used a DS+Curaga easily. Thats why im saying he can't blame this entirelly on the WHM.

Btw, at that lvl there are easier places to go and lvl.
 
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