How 'bout this weather?

Where I live fog is a daily occurence which really blows. I mean, to get off of work and school then go home to some shit straight out of Silent Hill really sucks. I heard a joke about Daly City over weekend saying the reason that we have fog all the time is because all the Chinese people use their rice cookers at the same time therefore it is the steam from the rice cooking that causes all the fog. I laughed...
 
romperstomper said:
You know I could just as easily argue the the hole in the O-zone is letting out more UV rays than the O-zone should. Unfortunately the amount of emissions world wide are much larger than the hole. Once again though I could find a way to make the argument of it's over the Antarctic circle which happens to be cold so it must be releasing more UV because you don't hear about the southern ice caps melting.

http://www.livescience.com/environment/050421_glacial_retreat.html

A new study of glaciers in a portion of the Antarctic finds 84 percent of them have retreated over the past 50 years in response to a warmer climate.

That was in April of 2005

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/02/AR2006030201712.html

The Antarctic ice sheet is losing as much as 36 cubic miles of ice a year in a trend that scientists link to global warming, according to a new paper that provides the first evidence that the sheet's total mass is shrinking significantly.

romperstomper said:
The Earth takes in UV rays that heat the planet they then bounce out into space. The problem is greenhouse gases are trapping in more then the amount that stays in our atmosphere.

Why hello there global warming, which you just admitted to.


Now let me try and sum up your position(s):

1)Global warming isn't real because it's a cause championed by Al Gore.

2)Even if global warming is real it's no big deal to you because you live so far away from the Artic ice pack AND it won't have any effect on you or your generations hereafter until many centuries into the future.

3)Global warming is real and it's because the hoe in the ozone layer lets in too much ultraviolet radiation, which is trapped in the atmosphere by greenhouse gases.


Responses:

1) Nice ad hominem argument there. So by that logic, if Al Gore were suddenly to reverse his position and say that global warming isn't real then it must in fact be real?

3) Yes things fall out of holes as well as entering them but you fail to consider basic physics. First off, the thousands of miles of white ice reflect a huge chunk of the UV radiation back into space. As the area of this ice is rapidly dimished, less UV radiation is bounced back into space. Secondly, seawater is dark blue, thus is absords even more UV radiation, speeding up the melting process as the temperature of the water around the ice increases and causing even more UV radiation to be absorbed by the planet.

2) You really need to take some basic meteorology classes. Hell you're not too far from Purdue University and I know they meteorology program there. As I've already mentioned, ocean currents are what drive the world's weather machine. These currents circulate both moisture and air masses (hot/cold bodies of air) around the entire globe. Do you think Illinois gets all its atmospheric moisture from Lake Michigan? LOL Please. Also mentioned earlier is the fact that when you dump trillions of cubic tons of freshwater into saltwater you disrupt the conveyor system because freshwater and saltwater have different densities. If you still don't think the atmospheric conditions in the polar regions affect weather conditions in Chicago, IL then look up and read about thermohaline circulation. You might also want to read up on the Younger Dryas, also known as the Little Ice Age. By your logic it also seems completely justifiable to do whatever the hell we want to the planet so long as it doesn't affect us or maybe our next two generations. Very mature and responsible outlook there.


Finally:

panic - a sudden overwhelming fear, with or without cause, that produces hysterical or irrational behavior, and that often spreads quickly through a group of persons or animals.

reasonable - capable of rational behavior, decision, etc.

Show me one instance where I said, "Oh my god it's the end of the world! Everyone must stop using electricity and cars!" You can't do it because I said it. You have the opinion that everyone who is a proponent of global warming is some kind of fear-mongering idiot. That being said, there is nothing irrational about taking small steps in your own life to reduce as many unnecessary carbon emissibles as possible. One of these simple steps would be for a single male, with no children, to buy a more efficient 35mpg+ vehicle versus a gas-guzzling SUV. The list could go on ad nauseum. Nor is it unreasonable to promote that other people do their part too since we all live on the same planet. That's called acting reasonable manner.
 
First off, the thousands of miles of white ice reflect a huge chunk of the UV radiation back into space. As the area of this ice is rapidly dimished, less UV radiation is bounced back into space. Secondly, seawater is dark blue, thus is absorbs even more UV radiation, speeding up the melting process as the temperature of the water around the ice increases and causing even more UV radiation to be absorbed by the planet.

- (Child) Daddy, why is the sky blue?
- (Father) Because, son, it absorbs all that harmful UVA radiation, slowly killing all life on earth as we speak.
- (Child) MOM! Dad said the sky is killing me!
 
Where I live fog is a daily occurence which really blows. I mean, to get off of work and school then go home to some shit straight out of Silent Hill really sucks. I heard a joke about Daly City over weekend saying the reason that we have fog all the time is because all the Chinese people use their rice cookers at the same time therefore it is the steam from the rice cooking that causes all the fog. I laughed...

Too funny. I used to live in Daly City, with a Chinese roomate, no less.
 
Too funny. I used to live in Daly City, with a Chinese roomate, no less.

Suprisingly, the weather has been great with the fog at a minimal level and really warm. I am not sure how long this is going to last but I'll enjoy every minute of it till it goes away :(.
 
clearly what we need to do is drop large blocks of ice into the ocean every once in awhile.
 
Everyone talks about the icecaps melting and sea lvls rising. While the over sea lvl areas of the icecaps that melt would oviously add water to the oceans, the majority of icebergs and the icecaps are below water.

Now maybe I'm missing something here but I seem to remember something from 5th grade science about the volume of ice being GREATER then water. So whys everyone saying water lvls are going to rise substantially?
 
Everyone talks about the icecaps melting and sea lvls rising. While the over sea lvl areas of the icecaps that melt would oviously add water to the oceans, the majority of icebergs and the icecaps are below water.

Now maybe I'm missing something here but I seem to remember something from 5th grade science about the volume of ice being GREATER then water. So whys everyone saying water lvls are going to rise substantially?

Because the ice berg is melting into water. This is one of the biggest threats of global warming besides increased temperature.

Also Val Greenhouse effect =/= Global Warming. What I described was the Greenhouse Effect. I admitted to the greenhouse effect.

Global Warming's (if you want to say it's a real issue) main cause for increased temperature is the release of CO2 (the cause of the Greenhouse effect) into the air which is just agreement by. There are other things that cause Global Warming as a side effect.

I haven't disagreed with you on alternate fuel resources or cutting down pollution. I just disagree with your stance on global warming. I will also disagree with E85 ethanol because if you don't have a compatible engine your car will run sluggish, and forcing people to buy a flex fuel car (I think that's the term coined by GM) is just kind of dumb.

By the way most of the U.S. weather climate comes form the pacific ocean because of the jet stream. Some if not most of Chicago's weather is off the lake. This is why we have lake effect snow and rain. Also this is why when a breeze is off the lake it's cooler than if it wasn't. Show me where I said that all of Illinois' weather pattern was Lake Michigan? Oh wait I didn't because I even said that the storms that hit 2 weeks ago were started over Minnesota then fueled by parts of moisture that drifted north in a high pressure front.
 
Because the ice berg is melting into water. This is one of the biggest threats of global warming besides increased temperature.

Also Val Greenhouse effect =/= Global Warming. What I described was the Greenhouse Effect. I admitted to the greenhouse effect.

Global Warming's (if you want to say it's a real issue) main cause for increased temperature is the release of CO2 (the cause of the Greenhouse effect) into the air which is just agreement by. There are other things that cause Global Warming as a side effect.

I haven't disagreed with you on alternate fuel resources or cutting down pollution. I just disagree with your stance on global warming. I will also disagree with E85 ethanol because if you don't have a compatible engine your car will run sluggish, and forcing people to buy a flex fuel car (I think that's the term coined by GM) is just kind of dumb.

By the way most of the U.S. weather climate comes form the pacific ocean because of the jet stream. Some if not most of Chicago's weather is off the lake. This is why we have lake effect snow and rain. Also this is why when a breeze is off the lake it's cooler than if it wasn't. Show me where I said that all of Illinois' weather pattern was Lake Michigan? Oh wait I didn't because I even said that the storms that hit 2 weeks ago were started over Minnesota then fueled by parts of moisture that drifted north in a high pressure front.


That doesn't really answer my question tho, i know icebergs are melting into water, but icebergs are mainly below water, when you see an iceberg only about the tip of it is usually sticking out of the water.
Volume of Ice > Volume of water. so if anything water lvls should go DOWN not up, again maybe I'm missing something but it just doesn't add up for me.'
 
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That doesn't really answer my question tho, i know icebergs are melting into water, but icebergs are mainly below water, when you see an iceberg only about the tip of it is usually sticking out of the water.
Volume of Ice > Volume of water. so if anything water lvls should go DOWN not up, again maybe I'm missing something but it just doesn't add up for me.'


One word: displacement
 
exactly, Volume of ice > Volume of water so it should displace more.

You're right, the ice that is floating in the water is already displacing it's weight(note: not all of the iceburg is displacing water, since part of it is sticking out above the water). It's the ice that is on the continents and on Greenland that will cause the sea levels to rise when it melts. Even though the iceburgs will not increase sea levels, by melting, they will change the salinity levels in the ocean; someone has already explained this part in detail.
 
I'm not much into science, really, but I could have sworn that when water was in a cold state its molecules or whatever got closer together and in turn was more compact until it gets into a frozen state.
 
I'm not much into science, really, but I could have sworn that when water was in a cold state its molecules or whatever got closer together and in turn was more compact until it gets into a frozen state.

never heard of that, but if it is true then would it be enough to counteract the ice turning to water? I'm sorry maybe I'm just thick, but everything I've learned about "displacement" says that something with HIGHER volume is going to displace MORE water then something of lesser volume, how is that effect going to be completely reversed simply because its applied to such a massive scale?
 
I'm not much into science, really, but I could have sworn that when water was in a cold state its molecules or whatever got closer together and in turn was more compact until it gets into a frozen state.

water's the exception. it expands when it freezes. hence, why something FULL of water will break when frozen.
 
Like I said, I never really paid much attention in science classes not relevant to computer science.
 
I'm not much into science, really, but I could have sworn that when water was in a cold state its molecules or whatever got closer together and in turn was more compact until it gets into a frozen state.

this is correct, the temp. of water affects the volume. as for the ice caps melting affecting the sea level. thelona is right floating ice (like the north pole) melting will not affect the level but the ice on antarctica and greenland is not floating in the sea and when it melts it will affect the level of the sea.
 
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this is correct, the temp. of water affects the volume. as for the ice caps melting affecting the sea level. thelona is right floating ice (like the north pole) melting will not affect the level but the ice on antarctica and greenland is not floating in the sea and when it melts it will affect the level of the sea.

re: what i said about water.
 
water is not the exception, the volume decreases until it freezes then it expands.
 
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