Hronorigger's Event run.

[Skaw]

Because it's easier Skaw, and frankly it doesn't affect you in any way, so why the hell does an event he is organising piss you off so much?

It does affect me, It affects everyone. It continues to push the retarded mentality thats developed that you cannot do anything without throwing a lot of BLMs at it(Look at RNGs pretweak, it was the same way.) It gets people overlooked, when everyones equally as useful.

While SE is busy gimping because of this i guess they should gimp mnk to. OMIGOSH!!! THEY'RE XPING 70+ W/O A PLD ON BONES AND GETTING CRAZY XP!!! SOMEBODY STOP THEM!!!

That place is never crazy exp. Just because you saw someone get chain 30 on a bunch of toughs doesn't mean jack shit when they're getting 88-150 exp a kill. It doesn't happen all the time, nor realistically. Plus I hate that fucking place. Wouldn't bother me in the slightest if they tweaked hand to hand effectiveness against skeletons.

Here's an idea, STOP BITCHING AND PLAY THE GAME!!!!!!

It's impossible to play the game when people cookiecutter. Play a Monk. Just do it. Get to 30, thats all you'll need. Then when you're bored, put up your party flag for missions and say you want invited into Promyvions. Good luck. You'll learn what kind of problems this style of mentality causes.

It is pricks like you who need to shut the fuck up and just play the damn game the way you want to play and not throw good peoples names up on the flameboard.

Read above, Junior. A Ranger commenting on this holds no merit.

You derailed Btexpress post on LuShangs also - Btexpress is one of the most respected people in this game and all he did was ask if anyone was selling Lushangs.

So, I gave him a tip to (a) save money. (b) save time. and (c) come out with the key item, and is derailment? Did you also notice Cubs saying he cannot sell his Lu Shangs for under 12 mil? It'll take him a long time to find one for a price under the 7.5m to do AH the quest. And in the end, he came out sounding like he's done some RMTing. You're an idiot.

Yea BLM dies in 2-3 hits from a real XP/Boss type mob.... while RNG never even gets hit with those 2-3 times in the 1st place. Please.... Nerf BLM cuz you know they too powerful and all the RNGs need to cry now about something else.

I'm not against BLMs, or nerfing. Tweaking encounters, yes. Making stacking X Job worthless, yes. It's the fact that this goes on thats the problem.

Oh noes, BLM can make money. All those poor underpowered MNKs have is the best NM claim ability in the game.

No better than provoke. Or Charm. Good job, sissy.

Because its easier, faster and less dangerious then the regular way

LET'S PUSSY AROUND EVERYTHING IN THE GAME! CHALLENGE?! WHATS THAT!!!!!!!!!

As for your comments about black mages being imbalanced in BCs like this, I completely agree and think that this bc should get nerfed in terms of how we completely dominate this thing and a lot more bcs in general. The reason why we completely own this bc is because of one spell, SLEEPGA. Oh wait without a blm or bard it would be impossible to win this bc as well.

So wait? Why no just bring a balanced party, instead of an heavily abused setup in regards to everything "hard" in this game. Hmm? Hypocrite. "I disagree with doing this in every way. Oh fuck it, I'll do it anyway"

But thats just like saying that they should nerf monk cannons because they completely rip through bones in ramperre? ZOMG CHAIN 15 NERF NERF NERF. But wait that doesn't stop you from doing these monk cannons huh?

Again, wouldn't bother me in the slightest. That place is fucking trash.

Shut up skaw and play the game, by posting my thread what did I do to you? Putting that reply to my thread was an obvious hijack to my thread and derailing of what I am planning to do. You have no right to flame me because I posted a simple thread on the event scheduling forum.

Yeah, it's hard to play the game when people are trying to crutch their way through, ignoring 12 other jobs in the game. Good job adding to that problem.

Since when was voicing a reason for ruined interest a flame? Seriously, you fucking pussies around here need to learn what a flame is, and not call every single disagreement a flame.

 

[Foofighter]

Thing is Skaw you gotta stick your elitist fucking attitude in almost every thread. Everytime you post you come off as an asshole - see above. In the flameboard feel free to be yourself, however, you gotta jack up every other thread posted. Giving advice isn't saying - Hey you fucking idiot! this is how it should be. Which is pretty much everytime you post. So basically I'm just flaming you because because I am sick of your fucking posts - take notes - this is the right place to flame, the flameboard. So give it your best shot you piece of shit, I am done with you.

 

[Skaw]

What? Are you illiterate? When did I tell Btexpress that he had to do the quest? I was merely suggesting to him that it would be easier if he had.

Name threads I've derailed. Oh wait, thats right. They were always derailed to begin with. Are you talking about threads were Peregrine has posted?

Nice touch calling me elitist though, when I never brag about anything.

 

[Ithenas]

That place is never crazy exp. Just because you saw someone get chain 30 on a bunch of toughs doesn't mean jack shit when they're getting 88-150 exp a kill. It doesn't happen all the time, nor realistically. Plus I hate that fucking place. Wouldn't bother me in the slightest if they tweaked hand to hand effectiveness against skeletons.

Oo i see, so it's like chaining weapons in sky, only faster? good point :roll:

]It's impossible to play the game when people cookiecutter. Play a Monk. Just do it. Get to 30, thats all you'll need. Then when you're bored, put up your party flag for missions and say you want invited into Promyvions. Good luck. You'll learn what kind of problems this style of mentality causes.

Yea, god forbid somebody get off their ass and run something instead of waiting to be invited along on an event.

Read above, Junior. A Ranger commenting on this holds no merit.

Not directed at me, but i feel i should respond to it at least. I suppose you're right. I mean me being on the recieving end of the rng nerf and all i really should have no valuable opinion on what's fair. I'd also like to point out that the over zealous applying of the nerf bat to my face has yet to be corrected (even you said the nerf was to harsh). Jobs that haven't been touched piss and moan about fairness until their up on the chopping block and then they expect people to feel sorry for them or something when the loose the ability to do stuff. Every job in this game has a purpose, and some of them can do serve their purpose better than others, get over it or level something else. You like the job you're leveling? Fine. Figure out how to make it work and leave other people alone.

 

[evo]

if they nerf BLMs goodluck killing shit that takes 40mins now, imagine how long it would take if they nerf BLM dmg or made enmity+ or w/e on spells.

 

[Athera]

All jobs are created equal, but some are more equal than others.

lol

 

[Skaw]

Oo i see, so it's like chaining weapons in sky, only faster? good point :roll:

No idea what this post was supposed to mean, since weapons are all VT, and not mostly T with the occasional VT...

Yea, god forbid somebody get off their ass and run something instead of waiting to be invited along on an event.

Uh, right. How do you think I did beat the Promyvions? It just took a really long time(lolololol 1 year) because of the pussies playing the game don't want to do shit without a surefire setup.

Every job in this game has a purpose, and some of them can do serve their purpose better than others, get over it or level something else. You like the job you're leveling? Fine. Figure out how to make it work and leave other people alone.

It's not up to the player playing the job to find their usefulness, purpose, work around to get things done(They most likely already know it,) it's up to the rest of the game to accept it, instead of crutching their way through things on easy mode.

Seriously, it's hard to get anything done when people have the "omg can't party without blm/rdm/whm/brd" ideas stuck in their head or "omg can't do missions without rngs/smns/blms" as well.

You can say "Well, do something and start your own group," all you want. But if you've participated in such cookiecuttering, you have no experience in the trouble it is, and how ultimately it either leads to failure, or never happens in the first place.

 

[Ithenas]

i was going off the XP numbers you supplied, sorry if the connection was lost but that's roughly what weapons give.


As for your last comment. i guess that means that the fact that i did most of the promy's as thf means nothing eh? in fact i got to chapter 3 in CoP as thf...whoops? i'm sure that's uber cookie cutter. I'd guess this is a real cookie cutter XP pt too? pld/thf sam/nin sam/nin war/thf brd/whm rdm/whm. we got 6k an hour w/o empress ring. For the last 4 months i've XP'd pld about 5 times, and all but 1 was a setup similar to what was above, good lord i'm so cliche it hurts.

 

[Raivyn]

In skaw's defense, and only having browsed this thread;

It seems like Skaw is trying to make a valuable point but kind of picked the wrong thing/time/place to make the point. It seems like this would have been a much 'better' flame if the situation had been "I honestly can't find anyone to do the bc with except BLMs who will rape me," rather than someone possibly perpetuating a stereotype which they can arguably do very little about.

I've thought about hrono's proposal before, and if you get the desired drop its actually quite a good deal, given perspective.

Ok so 1) you have five lazy blms who dont want to work to get seals.
2) You have one melee who wants an item badly but would settle for a little money.

Most of these runs operate under;
1) Your orb your drops (sucks to be the guy with 15k in drops, thats too bad, see you again buddy).
2) Even split - 6 runs = total profit / 6.

I think hrono's proposal was this.
1) In event of V. Claw or Woodville's Axe drop the melee keeps it (4-9 million personal profit) and blms keep everything else.
2) In event of no drop profits are split between the melee with the seals and the five kinda lazy niche-finding blm's.

It's kind of like insurance...

You get an even split that you would probably get anyway, and if a big item drops you can go for the big bucks. Not too shabby, but it still makes me feel a little dirty, I don't know.

But personally I do think it sucks that everyone's strategy is "OGM throw a bunch of blm+rng at it". Now we're seeing that drk is useful, oh but only if they're totally elite and have ridill+kraken and are suicidal.

Good strategy + no ingenuity = no challenge, but possible chance of failure if you're not good enough to be able to do something without a shitload of blms and rng.

 

[Skaw]

Wait. What? I didn't say you did cookie cutter. I said "If you've participated in such cookiecuttering," and it wasn't directed at you, but the general population of the game. Good job on showing people you don't need X/X/X/X/X/X Set up to get wonderful experience.

And I've never seen a weapon give 88 exp, sir.

 

[Ithenas]

it's rare but i've seen it

 

[Dejavu]

yea but the difference is that you are getting an even split of 1 run instead of 6.

 

[Raivyn]

and when you think about the possible drops the blms could get, it's not too much, but then again they spend 0 KS - a nice niche theyve found, but you could do this with 6 drk/nin. Or 6 drg/whm. Maybe even 6 Pld/war. Who the fuck knows.

 

[Skaw]

it's rare but i've seen it

Rare vs. Dirt common in Ranperre's. Heh.

 

[Skaw]

and when you think about the possible drops the blms could get, it's not too much, but then again they spend 0 KS - a nice niche theyve found, but you could do this with 6 drk/nin. Or 6 drg/whm. Maybe even 6 Pld/war. Who the fuck knows.

Yeah, thats where the problem stems from. No one wants to branch off and try new things. They want to do things the proven way, rather than "Hay guys, lets go into a BC as all whm/wars lawls, let's see if we can Hexastrike+Black Halo chain the mob to death" or something fun along those lines.

 

[Raivyn]

Well I think a lot of people haven't tried things the 'normal' way enough times, I mean - it's completely understandable that you would want a success first. No one likes to start an endeavour failing.

 

[Btexpress]

hold the phone a minute, so i have gil to buy a Lu's rod and i am MR RMT?
Go directly to hell sir, look at the ah, hell do a /sea all btexpress anytime you are on, you will either see me in xp or doing something where gil is earned.

i found one on the AH for 8 mil, the last 2-3 have sold for 8 mil which is near the 7.5 mil mark to do the quest at 9K a stack, and 500 K to not have to sit and wait around for fish to be availible, deal with people inflating prices and a general waste of my time is worth it to me.

Skaw you did derail my thread, and continued to post your opinion even after i specifically asked for ppl to only post on the thread if they had or knew of a rod for sale, cubswoo wanting 12 million for "sentimental" value or w/e is his ownright, but i wasn't asking for his grandpa's watch, i wanted to spend video game money on a video game item.

i enjoy the finger pointing and instant assumption, of gear or gil = rmt, scroll down and click on the shihei post, inside i clearly laid out how anyone with 50+ or so wood and 25+ alchemy can make gil, so anytime you wanna /c me in my carpenters gear let me know, i assume you think Mithre or jonosapi RMT also? funny to me people think wood has no abil to make gil.

here is another easy way to make approx 3 mil monthly for doing so close to nothing it is sickning, we all have mules, because we all have to much gear to put in 1 mog house, sooo get some porcelain pots, farm up some tree cuttings as 70THF/35WAR it takes me approx 3-4 hours to farm 3 stacks. plant cuttings now do nothing but examine them everyday you log on, 1 cutting harvest 2 sapplings. now sell 6 stacks of sapplings for 250K each and you can do this harvest 2 times a month with the correct furniture and day of plant / harvest your yield will be good, but again, like i said in my shihei post, most ppl won't layout exactly how it is you can earn gil, but i forgot, i am RMT <^>

Also funny how ppl think rng is nerfed to the point of being useless and BLM is a must for any BC, funny because my LS won divine might with a handful of rngs and 1 blm who died approx 20 seconds into the battle after the rng nerf, but whatever, we are "unknown" and other things ppl say now because we killed KB, we have been around a long time, but Vang didn't flame us daily like other LS's and we went about our business in a manor as to not gain attention, no MPK's no Drama, not fueds with other LS's so ppl here didn't know much about us, now they think what they will because someone who admits to buying his account flames us because we killed KB, we didn't wipe, we killed it, hmm, first claim and kill KB, well i suppose we have practice kinda, Horns of war, KS99 remember the BCNM you are trying to give your orbs away to do for your blackbelt, we win that fight also to bad you went around pissing half our members off already or we would have taken your orb for Behemoths tounge. by the way how is it any different? a BLM offering service on KS30s to get you item for rewards, or you offering rewards (you said all other drops can go to the people who kill it you only want blackbelt items) for a KS fight?

Much <3 to Foofighter and Hronorigger, Bt ~Affinity~

 

[Firestreak]

Back in the day, before people did Kindred Seal battles for gil, before Venemous claw even dropped from KS... the big BC money maker was BCNM40(still pretty common). I know of many BRDs who got rich just doing the BC over and over again even if they didn't have seals.

I never bitched about it, why not?

Because there weren't as many bards with seals as there were parties that needed bards. Here we have a BC where without a doubt you NEED absolutely 100% a bard, yet nobody was screaming "nerf bard!" Here we have another BC, where BLM simply MAKE IT EASIER.

Yet people hate on the BLM not the BRD, because BRD doesn't replace anyone really, and everyone enjoys a bard in their party - while many would prefer a BLM to a [insert DD here] in their party. So they hate on the BLMs. Just my opinion on the subject.

 

[Skaw]

hold the phone a minute, so i have gil to buy a Lu's rod and i am MR RMT?

I never said you were, I said you came off sounding like you had. "OMGS I DO NOT WANT TO SAVE GIL!"

by the way how is it any different? a BLM offering service on KS30s to get you item for rewards, or you offering rewards (you said all other drops can go to the people who kill it you only want blackbelt items) for a KS fight?

Theres a difference between jacking jobs for money based on brainwashing your job as superior and absolutely needed, and offering up loot for an otherwise unsoloable endeavour.

And really, unless your shell does Dynamis with Peregrine, theres no right to hate me, unless you all fall under the category of my ire as cookiecutter, no talent hacks.

 

[Skaw]

Also to add. This method is taking money from peoples orbs without suppling your own, where as I'm offering money drops from my orbs and supplying it. The two aren't even comparable in method.