Hypocracy and deceit had a child. It's name was Jamal.

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Auronx said:
but he wasn't camping it with any relation to ShakenBake at the time he was camping it with Insurrection
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Auronx said:
after last night he stole SnBs king V and gave it to insurrection
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I might be late on this because i hate going on QCDN, especially as of late. And it's no attack to anyone is SnB or Auron because everyone who actually talked to me about it understood where i was coming from and said it was a bad decision or a misunderstanding or what ever.

Anyways how if im camping with Insurrection for months / weeks as auron said, and the KingV was in my possesion for probably 1-2+ hours, i don't remember how long i was focused on kiting, how could i steal SnB KingV and give it to Insurrection if it was mine the whole time to do what I wish.

I don't want people in SnB to respond to this with histility i just want to clear my name because everyone i've talked to that has understood me heard a spin off of what actually happened to make me look like i did something horrible and stole the LS's HNM because i was being selfish, that is in NO way what happened.
 
You can't clear your name. We've all moved on though; well, most of us have. It just turns our we were right about you all along.
 
It's funny because Gunner and Auron were such great butt-buddies before that they both ended their names in X.
You both lose because you're fretting over in-game drama.
 
Xalioniaf said:
It's funny because Gunner and Auron were such great butt-buddies before that they both ended their names in X.
You both lose because you're fretting over in-game drama.
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we still are great butt-buddies
 
stole from SnB and gave to insurrection? lol, thats not how it occured and you guys know it
 
Here's exactly how it went down, blow by blow:

1) I happen to notice a large gathering in WAD while I happened to be going to Rabao with Audino. I rode down and sure enough I see KV up and being.. well, I can't describe what was going on, it was fail.

2) I noticed Gunnerx and we talked a bit in tells. He was complaining about the ls holding it. I guess they wiped and Gunnerx claimed it and kited it a bit. I'm still just sitting here watching at this point. I ask Gunnerx what's going on and he said he has a group there so I just sit and wait.

3) Finally after about 5 minutes a zerg attempt is made. They get KV to 60% and start wiping it up. Eventually it's back at 100% again and just Gunnerx and Revrandlord again kiting it.

4) This is the point where Gunnerx throws me an ally invite and asks for help. I tell him no, I'm not here to help. He's insistant so after talking to Jamal in tells he agrees to get SNB to come out and kill the KV. I tell Gunnerx who says okay and then I finally accept his invite.

5) I keep Gunnerx alive for over 20 minutes at this point. At various times, SNB members get invited long enough to die because Gunnerx had no ninja tools and couldn't hold hate. I know at least Jamal helped and died, a few others as well. Audino was in the pt at some point. During this whole 20 minute time SNB is killing any adds we get. SNB has an alliance formed and waits for Gunnerx's pt (which is him, Rev, and me) to be invited into the alliance. Gunnerx would've been died long before Insurrection showed up if it weren't for me and SNB. Honestly, a ninja without Shihei? lol.

6) After turning down several SNB ally invites, we're suddenly in an Insurrection alliance who then finally actually manages to kill it rather than wipe. They say grats Gunnerx and he asks who he is supposed to pay.

This is literally exactly how it happened. No one can deny any of this because it's all completely true. Rather than allow his znm shell to kill it and let the shell have the item, he instead goes to the guaranteed drop with Insurrection, lying to me and to the entire SNB shell in the process. He wasn't "too busy" to tell us he wasn't going to let us kill it and was just using me to keep him alive, he was too greedy. End of story. I hope your helm is worth all of the friends and connections you lost to get it. I'll tell you again, be glad I'm not a dick and I didn't ninja lot your shit. I don't want to hear your apologies because they are insincere. You got what you wanted and you did what you had to do to get it.
 
Cool story bro
 
Yes, that's basically what happened. I'm not going to deny it's not the truth.

But you left out when i asked for your help i asked for just you to help on WHM since you were already here, and i specifically said "Please dont tell the ls it's up, i dont want anyone coming out." and i get a reponce with "Okay i won't, i doubt SnB could kill it anyways." Even though that was when Rappa just showed up before i asked for assistance. And i did have Shihei, i just ran out of other tools to hold hate. =(

I didn't want Jamal or any of the LS to come out and waste their time, nor did i ask anyone to help besides Rappa, which is probably why everyone is pissed because "I" wasted everyones time coming out. I've been camping this for quite some time WITH insurrection and i know Jamal knew this and so did Auron. Sorry for anyone i pissed off over this and i can understand why, i fucked up and i didn't realize i did, the few people that let me explain it have sided with me, but people who have their views will keep their views and that's fine, just don't hold a grudge for the wrong reasons.
 
There's really no point trying to play any sort of innocence game here. You knew the ls knew because I told you. You had no trouble inviting Jamal and others into the pt to keep you alive even though they died. You knew half the ls was out there with more than enough to kill and you said nothing during the 20+ minutes of gathering time to dissuade them from coming. Honestly, trying to come off like this is a "misunderstanding" just makes it sound worse. At this point you'd be best to just say "I fucked up" and cut your losses. Quit trying to come out in any positive light, it isn't going to work.
 
Oh for the record I have nothing against Insurrection nor do I at all claim they "stole" anything from SNB. I place the blame squarely where it belongs, on Gunnerx. You guys were just doing what you were paid to do, so no problems there. Anyway I'm done with this. Why is this topic about everything even tangentially related to Jamal now? lol.. Probably just time to lock at this point, the flame is about 50 different things and Jamal's only in about half of them.
 
Rappa said:
Here's exactly how it went down, blow by blow:

1) I happen to notice a large gathering in WAD while I happened to be going to Rabao with Audino. I rode down and sure enough I see KV up and being.. well, I can't describe what was going on, it was fail.

2) I noticed Gunnerx and we talked a bit in tells. He was complaining about the ls holding it. I guess they wiped and Gunnerx claimed it and kited it a bit. I'm still just sitting here watching at this point. I ask Gunnerx what's going on and he said he has a group there so I just sit and wait.

3) Finally after about 5 minutes a zerg attempt is made. They get KV to 60% and start wiping it up. Eventually it's back at 100% again and just Gunnerx and Revrandlord again kiting it.

4) This is the point where Gunnerx throws me an ally invite and asks for help. I tell him no, I'm not here to help. He's insistant so after talking to Jamal in tells he agrees to get SNB to come out and kill the KV. I tell Gunnerx who says okay and then I finally accept his invite.

5) I keep Gunnerx alive for over 20 minutes at this point. At various times, SNB members get invited long enough to die because Gunnerx had no ninja tools and couldn't hold hate. I know at least Jamal helped and died, a few others as well. Audino was in the pt at some point. During this whole 20 minute time SNB is killing any adds we get. SNB has an alliance formed and waits for Gunnerx's pt (which is him, Rev, and me) to be invited into the alliance. Gunnerx would've been died long before Insurrection showed up if it weren't for me and SNB. Honestly, a ninja without Shihei? lol.

6) After turning down several SNB ally invites, we're suddenly in an Insurrection alliance who then finally actually manages to kill it rather than wipe. They say grats Gunnerx and he asks who he is supposed to pay.

This is literally exactly how it happened. No one can deny any of this because it's all completely true. Rather than allow his znm shell to kill it and let the shell have the item, he instead goes to the guaranteed drop with Insurrection, lying to me and to the entire SNB shell in the process. He wasn't "too busy" to tell us he wasn't going to let us kill it and was just using me to keep him alive, he was too greedy. End of story. I hope your helm is worth all of the friends and connections you lost to get it. I'll tell you again, be glad I'm not a dick and I didn't ninja lot your shit. I don't want to hear your apologies because they are insincere. You got what you wanted and you did what you had to do to get it.
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This post at Gunner. This isnt really the story you told me.
 
I didn't go because they wouldn't guarantee me lotting rights for my 5DRG.
 
I did say i fucked up, over and over again. And i've apologized, over and over again. When i'm busy kiting i'm not really focused on what's going on and when i tell ya not to tell anyone, and you say ok, probably shouldn't tell anyone. I don't want to argue because it's done with and people have their view on it now, and I didn't invite one person to the ally nor did i ask anyone to help besides you. You didn't have to help i just asked for it after i sent you the ally invite you said "Okay hang on i'm raising your people" knowing i'm with insurrection. I'm not playing innocent i'm telling you the truth.
 
Gunnerx said:
I didn't invite one person to the ally nor did i ask anyone to help besides you. You didn't have to help i just asked for it after i sent you the ally invite you said "Okay hang on i'm raising your people" knowing i'm with insurrection. I'm not playing innocent i'm telling you the truth.
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Then tell the truth. You invited me twice without asking me if I wanted to help or saying anything at all. They were blind invites and I'm assuming its because you thought I was still on NIN and you wanted me to help you kite for your own needs.
 
Audino said:
Then tell the truth. You invited me twice without asking me if I wanted to help or saying anything at all. They were blind invites and I'm assuming its because you thought I was still on NIN and you wanted me to help you kite for your own needs.
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Rappa was telling me in party chat Audino is on the way to rabao to change your sub, that you had /whm or something i can't remember, i was assuming he was telling me this as to invite you after he agreed to help.
 
People don't tend to ask questions when something will benefit them, they just react.
 
Gunnerx said:
Rappa was telling me in party chat Audino is on the way to rabao to change your sub, that you had /whm or something i can't remember, i was assuming he was telling me this as to invite you after he agreed to help.
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And how exactly could Rappa clearly explain things to me when you never clearly explain things to HIM? Seriously, stop making excuses. And as an aside, Insurrection was worried that we would hold ill will towards them. I assured them it wasn't the case and our disgust was appropriately placed. Its nice to know that there's still some linkshells out there that make efforts to get along with others. I thought that was cool of Insurrection.
 
About locking the topic, I would. But then again there's too many of you out there that would say "Oh, Audino locked it because its a flame against his friend Jamal."

Seriously, I'm not giving you guys any more excuses to bitch about me and develop all these little conspiracy theories that your friends tell me about. :)

If Arc, Miros, Makelith or Vil think it should be locked, they will do it.
 
Anyone who'd think that would be a dumbass though. The Mod Friend defense only applies on like, the first two pages. And now that the topic has shifted, at the very least it could be cleaved in two and the Jamal portion locked.
 
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