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Daveee

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Sup all
I have been leading 2 groups doing Nyzul Isle assaults for a while now, things were fine for a long while,killing bosses getting drops. But you do this assault often you would know how sometimes it can get reallllllllll stresssssful....

like on a lamp floor and no aggro gears, then 4 gears flying around 1 lamp....
or the freaking rat leader that runs around wasting half your run time....

anyway, lately, my teams been having this problem on boss floors that we kept getting the message "xxxx Falls to ground", and of course.. we have been getting nothing from those falling down boss wins, not even crystals. We simply blamed it all on the DoT spells when we first had this problem, so I ask least 1 melee to save up TP for last shot. However, as I tested it again today(After many trys), with Khimair at 1% HP(Had DoT on), I SA Gekko for 1.2K DMG(Which is certainly more than 1% of his HP), we got "Khimair Falls to ground" ..... shouldnt it be Daveee defeats Khimair...

Then I asked all mages to stop using all DoTs, and guess what, the last run we had today same shit happened again when boss had no DoT spells on at all, it fell to ground.... how it fell to ground when it has no DoT spells on.... I really dont get it...
we had SAM WAR NIN DRG, none of us used any WS that got DoT effects... just how....

A static member said maybe that's the message it always shows when a boss is defeated?
But I seriously dont think so, if i remembered correctly, it says "XXXX defeats XXXX", falls to ground means DoT kill.

we believe this falls to ground shit is effecting the drop rates on gears.... if you do this assault often and had the same or similar problems, plz post back, any advise would be thankful
 
According to this screenshot, you seem to be correct.



Image taken on: 02/21/08

Haven't done Nyzul Isle in a while, so I can't say if the change in messages affects drop rates. However, I can testify where we've had long streaks of no drops, somewhere on the magnitude of 10-15 boss kills without any drops. Perhaps just a streak of bad luck?
 
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If it says they fall to the ground, then they died due to DoT, because no one actually dealt the killing blow. You should still get drops and exp though. The only thing I can think of is that for some reason you're losing claim on the mob right as it dies and THEN the DoT is finishing it off. Since it died without you having claim on it, then you wouldn't get anything. That doesn't sound like the case since you didn't have any DoT's on it, so maybe it's a glitch or something.
 
I recall listening to another group of people in middle of nyzul having similar problem.

they did like floor 20 or 40 it was 7-8 times in a row, and got not a single drop whatsoever on every run, then gave up in disgust.

I'm thinking SE has implemented something to stop you from just doing the same boss over and over to get your equipment? Maybe try doing it once, then doing it a second time with someone else's disc. *shrugs*
 
Cherron said:
According to this screenshot, you seem to be correct.



Image taken on: 02/21/08

Haven't done Nyzul Isle in a while, so I can't say if the change in messages affects drop rates. However, I can testify where we've had long streaks of no drops, somewhere on the magnitude of 10-15 boss kills without any drops. Perhaps just a streak of bad luck?
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If it has simply been bad luck... then I'd say we have been having the worst luck of all, 0 drops from last xx+ boss kills with over half of those ratheads fell to ground....


btw, I never know Ino was ever strong enough to kill anything
 
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It could just be bad drop luck, but I doubt it given the different death message. I don't think that SE would ever add something to cancel your drops if you do the boss enough. My group has gone 0/10 before, so it wouldn't be out of the question to go further. But based on the message, no one is actually getting the death blow.

The only time I've seen something like what you're describing happen, is when something that is unclaimed is killed by a DoT.
 
Auto disengauge?

well, from what we've seen, im not sure if this is infact a glitch or not. However i do clearly remember seeing no xp, no crystals, no drop, and it would disengauge me from the mob almost a full 10 seconds befor it died in front of us. Anyone else notice this?
 
Bajaratt said:
It could just be bad drop luck, but I doubt it given the different death message. I don't think that SE would ever add something to cancel your drops if you do the boss enough. My group has gone 0/10 before, so it wouldn't be out of the question to go further. But based on the message, no one is actually getting the death blow.

The only time I've seen something like what you're describing happen, is when something that is unclaimed is killed by a DoT.
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yea, I do understand the DoT kill while no1 has claim situation, but the fact was there were always at least 3-4 us had claim on the boss at the time and oftenly with some1 saving TP to last shot the boss.

May be you were right, it's a glitch..
 
Chronolor996 said:
well, from what we've seen, im not sure if this is infact a glitch or not. However i do clearly remember seeing no xp, no crystals, no drop, and it would disengauge me from the mob almost a full 10 seconds befor it died in front of us. Anyone else notice this?
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Definitely never seen that happen before, but if it disengages you all, then you probably are losing claim and it's dying from DoT, which would explain why you're getting no drops. I've got no idea why it'd force you to disengage though, maybe talk to a GM, but I doubt they'd do anything or even know what'd be wrong.
 
Just done talking to a GM and well as always:
"We will investigate"
and hopfully they will come up with some answers this time
 
Stopped screenshotting our drops after about the 50th pair of fkn Askar but the majority of our kills were from killing blows, a few that fell to the ground have also yielded drops, I think you just have bad luck, on F80 we went 14 times without seeing one boss drop, it happens. Do you take a TH3 or TH4 THF?
 
Chronolor996 said:
well, from what we've seen, im not sure if this is infact a glitch or not. However i do clearly remember seeing no xp, no crystals, no drop, and it would disengauge me from the mob almost a full 10 seconds befor it died in front of us. Anyone else notice this?
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I've noticed this happen many times in the past outside of nyzle (never really done it) but in busy situations like Einherjar, Dynamis or occasionally merit i will automatically disengage a mob with it seemingly at 1% HP, i'm fairly sure this is just due to lag as everyone will move onto the next mob and the one at 1% will die (it gives the xxx was defeated by xxx message, even though that person is not engaged to the mob at this point).
 
Can i just say when im DoT soloing mobs a DoT kill, ie; XXXX Falls to the ground" ALWAYS gives exp and drops. So dont worry about the DoTs killing it.
but ONLY if the mob is unclaimed while the DoTs are on it can u lose exp and items or a call for help. As you seem to be doing non of these i would asume bad run of luck on droprate.
It happens. I went like 0/14 on ose (1 mob and place i really hate) and it seemed broken. Just the way random drops can seem like it screwing you i guess. Esspecially when it goes to those numbers.
 
Tiamat always used to fall to the ground... I'm guessing it still does.

...and yeah, as long as a mob is still claimed, it shouldn't matter how it dies.
 
Daveee said:
like on a lamp floor and no aggro gears, then 4 gears flying around 1 lamp....
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Pull them, doesn't count as aggroing. If they're clusted up. AoE pull them.

or the freaking rat leader that runs around wasting half your run time....
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Have your melee run ahead of them so that, because of the lag, the server counts them as being in melee range behind him? Not2hard.
 
Skaw said:
Pull them, doesn't count as aggroing. If they're clusted up. AoE pull them.



Have your melee run ahead of them so that, because of the lag, the server counts them as being in melee range behind him? Not2hard.
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yea we voke pull gears when object is to avoid aggroing gears, but it was hard when a few of them flying around in a small tunnel, since they link >.<
 
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Our group tonight was having the same problems tonight. We would get the exp iirc but no crystals and definitely no drop. This is fucking annoying. We had been getting decent drop rate until the last two weeks since we noticed this. As far as fighting Boss too many times. This was a first trip to lvl 80 and it did the same shit.
 
Well with my static we started out 0/3, no crystals or anything, then finally got one. I think it may just be bad luck though. Dont remember if it said defeat/ or fall
 
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