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Well if people didnt forget to bring all there powders n oils none of this woulda taken place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:
I recieved an apology from cere and zealot..... Yall are ok in my book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will never make another stupid post to this Flame..Good Day!!
Well if people didnt forget to bring all there powders n oils none of this woulda taken place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol:
I recieved an apology from cere and zealot..... Yall are ok in my book!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will never make another stupid post to this Flame..Good Day!!
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Tisbolo said:Everyone is Happy now yayayaya!! Z and cerescole are friends!!! Instead of a cluster 200k was enough for Zealotx(Goddamn U hundredfist) I kept my eye cluster So im not too upset, Just the fact that I died 5 times and delevedCerescole obviously is a good player with 3 jobs passed 70 and Zealot is also a great player! But I am the best......... Thats why I die so damn much Aghhhh Invite me to your Pts.
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Zealot X said:
First Sethala--
I can tell you never played Rdm so you know nothing about it.
All I do is read the log, to see if stuff has wore, ect. So I think if I saw, Cerescole is paralyzed, I think I would have saw Zealot X Provokes. Im not blind. So his armor change doesnt hold up. He only posted this to make himself feel better about himself, and make himself look like a Uber Nin, in which he is not.
Zealot X--
I know my job very well and have been main healer in ALOT of parties with Nin tanks. I have macros set up for just for a nin tank, and those for just a pld tank. I also read my log like its going out of style no matter what I'm doing I read it. I think if I saw that you, Cerescole or any other person was paralyzed, I would have saw it when you provoked. Yes you voked some, but in NO way was you main tanking. You changing armor excuse dont cut it, and doesnt hold up. I dont look for the animation, I READ THE LOG. So whats the excuse now? That they dont put that someone Provokes in the log? Hmmm? I did see alot of Provokes in the log, but they were by Cerescole, and yes a few, and I mean a few from you, also... The other war/nin's were voking more than you to pull it off Cerescole so she could cast her shadows. I think next time before you run some where to flame someone you need to make sure that you have a good excuse, in which you dont. Its okay that you had never tanked this, and its okay I lost my cluster, shit happens. You get over it and move on. But next time make sure you got your ass covered before you flame someone.
I also understand how SATA works, I run around with a thf all the time.
Also Id like to say again, I dont have to see the animation to know if you voked or not, If someone vokes it will be in the log. I know its not your job to read that log, but it is mine.
Cerescole--
Dont let this fucker get you upset. He only posted this to make himself look better about how bad of a tank he is. You did a VERY good job tanking, Id play beside you anyday, and Im very proud that we are friends.. You are by far one of the best tanks Ive ever had the pleasure of playing with, and are by far one of the nicest people too.
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@Jayson
Please, read my posts before you post a response. You are agreeing that I wasn't voking when the whole point was that Cerescole was blaming me because she couldn't "see" the voke animation. Neither could anyone else, but if they checked the logs they would have seen it. You are an example of what I was trying to avoid and proves my point in starting this thread. Because Cerescole is a good player ppl will tend to believe her weather or not she was actually right. I didn't post to make her look bad or to make myself look good, simply to tell the truth about what happened and what went wrong. Cerescole will also tell you that she was ignored. You say it sounds like I should have tried harder for attention. Fact is, I did. After asking for TA a few times I asked for it again with a <call> afterwards. No luck. It wasn't so much that people weren't hearing us. They just didn't care. Please read my posts. I never bashed Cerescole. I was defending myself against what she said which was innaccurate. Furthermore, I already told her that I understood why she was mistaken. I only wanted her to appologize for it which she later did. It is admirable that you are here to defend your friend Cerescole. But Cerescole is not being attacked. I repeat... Cerescole needs no defense. Cerescole offended me by saying I sucked which wasn't true. Any strategy for this fight will tell you that you need the DDs with /thf to SATA the nin. People are simply assuming that I could have kept Hakutaku's attention on me with only what I had at my dispossal. If that was possible the strategy would not call for TAs and there wouldn't be a strategy that says that MNKs are not to melee. But instead we had a MNK doing SATA and not even on me. To add to that, paralyze interrupted at least a couple vokes (I do read the log as I fight since keeping my shadows up depends on it). And unlike spells, if voke is interrupted you have to wait until the timer runs down again. Is that my fault too? I don't think so. You need to get your facts straight because you are only taking the word of other people who were not reading the logs to see if I was provoking or not. That's the whole point of this. You don't even know me but you assume that what they "saw" was right.
@chippallen & Omicrom
I understand you want to defend Cerescole but I'm not bashing her or her performance. That's not even the issue. And the reason you saw her voke and not me is because she doesn't have an equipment change macro prior to her voke. You are simply saying things relying on seeing that animation. But like Sethala said in an earlier post, if you change equipment to add on emnity before provoke you cannot see the voke animation or even hear it. That is a fact that people are having a hard time understanding. And then judgments are being made based on this misperception. I have no doubt that Cerescole is a good tank. It's not her fault that no one SATA'd on me to take hate off her or to prevent hate from ever spreading to anyone else. She even said that they would usually open up with a SC on the tank. The fact, and I told Tisbolo this too, is if I had gotten those TAs we could have avoided those deaths. But they didn't know or follow the strategy. But even without the strategy, it is normal practice in XP situations to SATA SCs or just a solo WS on the tank if you have /thf. That should have been obvious but it wasn't done. So please stop blaming me for something that was beyond my control. And please don't say I wasn't voking just because you couldn't see or hear the animation. You did a good job on stun but fact remains I was still paralyzed through much of the second fight and no one gave me haste. I would love to see another nin in the same situation provide a better job so that I can find something that I did wrong. Like I told Tisbolo, I did everything humanly possible to get hate. But without SATA it just wasn't enough.
Finally @ Cerescole
Trust me, I read all your posts. And I do remember you said that. I never said I blamed your logic. If you weren't watching the logs you would not have known. That's why I didn't suddenly get all upset with you that night. I told you to check the logs. My purple outfit gives me the extra emnity but without the scorpion harness I was missing way too much. I believe that a good ninja should adapt to the situation. So my macros are setup to get the most out of my emnity, evasion, and dmg gear. So the second fight was an adaptation over the first. The first fight sucked too but at least Luminy was there doing an excellent job with the cures. I think that ppl thought they could just repeat what they did the first fight and win again. But I knew it wasn't going to work which is why I called for TA's before and during the fight. But we were ignored. And that is why we all died; not because of my tanking. You have good friends to come to your defense but as I've been saying, I'm not attacking you. I never blamed you for what happened. I wasn't pissed off about dying or the performance of the alliance. I was ONLY pissed off by what you said. And since you appologized for it then its ok now. But the whole point of me starting this thread is to keep people like your friends from thinking that I wasn't doing my job as tank. I was just not visible during the provoke animation/sound. To me its my professional reputation you insulted and I only wanted an appology or for you to say that I tried my best but didn't get what I needed from the alliance. You have the experience to know this. Have you ever fought Hakutaku successfully without SATAs on the tank? If you can put yourself in my shoes you will understand why I started this thread. But I just want you and everyone else to know that I never bashed or flamed you for your skills in the game. As much as you and your friends have a right to defend your name I also have a right to defend mine and I will do so. I don't dislike you. I even hope we can be friends after this. All I wanted was to reach an understanding with you and everyone else who might read this thread (because you weren't the only one) who couldn't "see" my Provoke animation so we can ALL stop posting to this thread. I don't like to argue to I also don't want to be thought of as a bad ninja. I love the ppl that I've had good PTs with before but I don't want to be in a position where I'm not getting invites and ppl are /blist'ing me because of you. And I don't think its unreasonable at all for me to defend myself just like (if I had bashed you) it wouldn't be unreasonable for you to defend yourself. You did a good job. But what you said (and now others) was wrong and correcting that shared opinion is the sole purposet of this thread.
@ the rest of you
If you want to defend Cerescole and say how great she is please post that to the good times forum. For the love of God I am not attacking her or the way she plays. I'm only defending myself here. No matter what, you shouldn't rush to judgment or say things about people without having all the facts. And in this case the main evidence wasn't what could be seen by the alliance. It was in the logs. The fact that Cerescole is a good player and a good tank did not prevent the alliance from dying. But doing the kind of damage she was and also provoking she was able to get hate. But being a lvl69 nin I could not get hate back without any TA's. And just because we died doesn't mean that I didn't do my job either. Therefore I refuse to accept blame for something that wasn't my fault just like I do not blame Cerescole for ppl not listening to her either. Honestly, it could have been organized better but I can't even blame the leader if people didn't listen to him/her either. But please do not add to that chaos by bringing it here. This is done and over with. Cerescole was wrong for what she said and that's that. But she has already appologized. So there's no reason to discuss it further. So don't post here just because you like Cerescole. Even good people can make mistakes in judgment. That has now been corrected. And to those who weren't there but tried to understand from my perspective I offer my thanks and gratitude for your posts. I know you weren't there to see the evidence in the logs but it was there. People did not see the voke animation as a direct result of equipment changing causing my character model to blink. And if you need another person of reference (if you don't trust me) you can ask Johnnyb who was in my xp PT that day as a RNG. I didn't have to explain to him about my equip macros because he saw where the hate was going. But thank you all for your participation in this thread. It is now done, finished, over, beaten to death with a stick, etc. etc., have a nice day. Special thanks also to Tisbolo who acted as a peacemaker. He's a very good war/nin so please invite him to XP with you.
PEACE!
@Jayson
Please, read my posts before you post a response. You are agreeing that I wasn't voking when the whole point was that Cerescole was blaming me because she couldn't "see" the voke animation. Neither could anyone else, but if they checked the logs they would have seen it. You are an example of what I was trying to avoid and proves my point in starting this thread. Because Cerescole is a good player ppl will tend to believe her weather or not she was actually right. I didn't post to make her look bad or to make myself look good, simply to tell the truth about what happened and what went wrong. Cerescole will also tell you that she was ignored. You say it sounds like I should have tried harder for attention. Fact is, I did. After asking for TA a few times I asked for it again with a <call> afterwards. No luck. It wasn't so much that people weren't hearing us. They just didn't care. Please read my posts. I never bashed Cerescole. I was defending myself against what she said which was innaccurate. Furthermore, I already told her that I understood why she was mistaken. I only wanted her to appologize for it which she later did. It is admirable that you are here to defend your friend Cerescole. But Cerescole is not being attacked. I repeat... Cerescole needs no defense. Cerescole offended me by saying I sucked which wasn't true. Any strategy for this fight will tell you that you need the DDs with /thf to SATA the nin. People are simply assuming that I could have kept Hakutaku's attention on me with only what I had at my dispossal. If that was possible the strategy would not call for TAs and there wouldn't be a strategy that says that MNKs are not to melee. But instead we had a MNK doing SATA and not even on me. To add to that, paralyze interrupted at least a couple vokes (I do read the log as I fight since keeping my shadows up depends on it). And unlike spells, if voke is interrupted you have to wait until the timer runs down again. Is that my fault too? I don't think so. You need to get your facts straight because you are only taking the word of other people who were not reading the logs to see if I was provoking or not. That's the whole point of this. You don't even know me but you assume that what they "saw" was right.
@chippallen & Omicrom
I understand you want to defend Cerescole but I'm not bashing her or her performance. That's not even the issue. And the reason you saw her voke and not me is because she doesn't have an equipment change macro prior to her voke. You are simply saying things relying on seeing that animation. But like Sethala said in an earlier post, if you change equipment to add on emnity before provoke you cannot see the voke animation or even hear it. That is a fact that people are having a hard time understanding. And then judgments are being made based on this misperception. I have no doubt that Cerescole is a good tank. It's not her fault that no one SATA'd on me to take hate off her or to prevent hate from ever spreading to anyone else. She even said that they would usually open up with a SC on the tank. The fact, and I told Tisbolo this too, is if I had gotten those TAs we could have avoided those deaths. But they didn't know or follow the strategy. But even without the strategy, it is normal practice in XP situations to SATA SCs or just a solo WS on the tank if you have /thf. That should have been obvious but it wasn't done. So please stop blaming me for something that was beyond my control. And please don't say I wasn't voking just because you couldn't see or hear the animation. You did a good job on stun but fact remains I was still paralyzed through much of the second fight and no one gave me haste. I would love to see another nin in the same situation provide a better job so that I can find something that I did wrong. Like I told Tisbolo, I did everything humanly possible to get hate. But without SATA it just wasn't enough.
Finally @ Cerescole
Trust me, I read all your posts. And I do remember you said that. I never said I blamed your logic. If you weren't watching the logs you would not have known. That's why I didn't suddenly get all upset with you that night. I told you to check the logs. My purple outfit gives me the extra emnity but without the scorpion harness I was missing way too much. I believe that a good ninja should adapt to the situation. So my macros are setup to get the most out of my emnity, evasion, and dmg gear. So the second fight was an adaptation over the first. The first fight sucked too but at least Luminy was there doing an excellent job with the cures. I think that ppl thought they could just repeat what they did the first fight and win again. But I knew it wasn't going to work which is why I called for TA's before and during the fight. But we were ignored. And that is why we all died; not because of my tanking. You have good friends to come to your defense but as I've been saying, I'm not attacking you. I never blamed you for what happened. I wasn't pissed off about dying or the performance of the alliance. I was ONLY pissed off by what you said. And since you appologized for it then its ok now. But the whole point of me starting this thread is to keep people like your friends from thinking that I wasn't doing my job as tank. I was just not visible during the provoke animation/sound. To me its my professional reputation you insulted and I only wanted an appology or for you to say that I tried my best but didn't get what I needed from the alliance. You have the experience to know this. Have you ever fought Hakutaku successfully without SATAs on the tank? If you can put yourself in my shoes you will understand why I started this thread. But I just want you and everyone else to know that I never bashed or flamed you for your skills in the game. As much as you and your friends have a right to defend your name I also have a right to defend mine and I will do so. I don't dislike you. I even hope we can be friends after this. All I wanted was to reach an understanding with you and everyone else who might read this thread (because you weren't the only one) who couldn't "see" my Provoke animation so we can ALL stop posting to this thread. I don't like to argue to I also don't want to be thought of as a bad ninja. I love the ppl that I've had good PTs with before but I don't want to be in a position where I'm not getting invites and ppl are /blist'ing me because of you. And I don't think its unreasonable at all for me to defend myself just like (if I had bashed you) it wouldn't be unreasonable for you to defend yourself. You did a good job. But what you said (and now others) was wrong and correcting that shared opinion is the sole purposet of this thread.
@ the rest of you
If you want to defend Cerescole and say how great she is please post that to the good times forum. For the love of God I am not attacking her or the way she plays. I'm only defending myself here. No matter what, you shouldn't rush to judgment or say things about people without having all the facts. And in this case the main evidence wasn't what could be seen by the alliance. It was in the logs. The fact that Cerescole is a good player and a good tank did not prevent the alliance from dying. But doing the kind of damage she was and also provoking she was able to get hate. But being a lvl69 nin I could not get hate back without any TA's. And just because we died doesn't mean that I didn't do my job either. Therefore I refuse to accept blame for something that wasn't my fault just like I do not blame Cerescole for ppl not listening to her either. Honestly, it could have been organized better but I can't even blame the leader if people didn't listen to him/her either. But please do not add to that chaos by bringing it here. This is done and over with. Cerescole was wrong for what she said and that's that. But she has already appologized. So there's no reason to discuss it further. So don't post here just because you like Cerescole. Even good people can make mistakes in judgment. That has now been corrected. And to those who weren't there but tried to understand from my perspective I offer my thanks and gratitude for your posts. I know you weren't there to see the evidence in the logs but it was there. People did not see the voke animation as a direct result of equipment changing causing my character model to blink. And if you need another person of reference (if you don't trust me) you can ask Johnnyb who was in my xp PT that day as a RNG. I didn't have to explain to him about my equip macros because he saw where the hate was going. But thank you all for your participation in this thread. It is now done, finished, over, beaten to death with a stick, etc. etc., have a nice day. Special thanks also to Tisbolo who acted as a peacemaker. He's a very good war/nin so please invite him to XP with you.
PEACE!
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@Jayson
Please, read my posts before you post a response. You are agreeing that I wasn't voking when the whole point was that Cerescole was blaming me because she couldn't "see" the voke animation. Neither could anyone else, but if they checked the logs they would have seen it. You are an example of what I was trying to avoid and proves my point in starting this thread. Because Cerescole is a good player ppl will tend to believe her weather or not she was actually right. I didn't post to make her look bad or to make myself look good, simply to tell the truth about what happened and what went wrong. Cerescole will also tell you that she was ignored. You say it sounds like I should have tried harder for attention. Fact is, I did. After asking for TA a few times I asked for it again with a <call> afterwards. No luck. It wasn't so much that people weren't hearing us. They just didn't care. Please read my posts. I never bashed Cerescole. I was defending myself against what she said which was innaccurate. Furthermore, I already told her that I understood why she was mistaken. I only wanted her to appologize for it which she later did. It is admirable that you are here to defend your friend Cerescole. But Cerescole is not being attacked. I repeat... Cerescole needs no defense. Cerescole offended me by saying I sucked which wasn't true. Any strategy for this fight will tell you that you need the DDs with /thf to SATA the nin. People are simply assuming that I could have kept Hakutaku's attention on me with only what I had at my dispossal. If that was possible the strategy would not call for TAs and there wouldn't be a strategy that says that MNKs are not to melee. But instead we had a MNK doing SATA and not even on me. To add to that, paralyze interrupted at least a couple vokes (I do read the log as I fight since keeping my shadows up depends on it). And unlike spells, if voke is interrupted you have to wait until the timer runs down again. Is that my fault too? I don't think so. You need to get your facts straight because you are only taking the word of other people who were not reading the logs to see if I was provoking or not. That's the whole point of this. You don't even know me but you assume that what they "saw" was right.
@chippallen & Omicrom
I understand you want to defend Cerescole but I'm not bashing her or her performance. That's not even the issue. And the reason you saw her voke and not me is because she doesn't have an equipment change macro prior to her voke. You are simply saying things relying on seeing that animation. But like Sethala said in an earlier post, if you change equipment to add on emnity before provoke you cannot see the voke animation or even hear it. That is a fact that people are having a hard time understanding. And then judgments are being made based on this misperception. I have no doubt that Cerescole is a good tank. It's not her fault that no one SATA'd on me to take hate off her or to prevent hate from ever spreading to anyone else. She even said that they would usually open up with a SC on the tank. The fact, and I told Tisbolo this too, is if I had gotten those TAs we could have avoided those deaths. But they didn't know or follow the strategy. But even without the strategy, it is normal practice in XP situations to SATA SCs or just a solo WS on the tank if you have /thf. That should have been obvious but it wasn't done. So please stop blaming me for something that was beyond my control. And please don't say I wasn't voking just because you couldn't see or hear the animation. You did a good job on stun but fact remains I was still paralyzed through much of the second fight and no one gave me haste. I would love to see another nin in the same situation provide a better job so that I can find something that I did wrong. Like I told Tisbolo, I did everything humanly possible to get hate. But without SATA it just wasn't enough.
Finally @ Cerescole
Trust me, I read all your posts. And I do remember you said that. I never said I blamed your logic. If you weren't watching the logs you would not have known. That's why I didn't suddenly get all upset with you that night. I told you to check the logs. My purple outfit gives me the extra emnity but without the scorpion harness I was missing way too much. I believe that a good ninja should adapt to the situation. So my macros are setup to get the most out of my emnity, evasion, and dmg gear. So the second fight was an adaptation over the first. The first fight sucked too but at least Luminy was there doing an excellent job with the cures. I think that ppl thought they could just repeat what they did the first fight and win again. But I knew it wasn't going to work which is why I called for TA's before and during the fight. But we were ignored. And that is why we all died; not because of my tanking. You have good friends to come to your defense but as I've been saying, I'm not attacking you. I never blamed you for what happened. I wasn't pissed off about dying or the performance of the alliance. I was ONLY pissed off by what you said. And since you appologized for it then its ok now. But the whole point of me starting this thread is to keep people like your friends from thinking that I wasn't doing my job as tank. I was just not visible during the provoke animation/sound. To me its my professional reputation you insulted and I only wanted an appology or for you to say that I tried my best but didn't get what I needed from the alliance. You have the experience to know this. Have you ever fought Hakutaku successfully without SATAs on the tank? If you can put yourself in my shoes you will understand why I started this thread. But I just want you and everyone else to know that I never bashed or flamed you for your skills in the game. As much as you and your friends have a right to defend your name I also have a right to defend mine and I will do so. I don't dislike you. I even hope we can be friends after this. All I wanted was to reach an understanding with you and everyone else who might read this thread (because you weren't the only one) who couldn't "see" my Provoke animation so we can ALL stop posting to this thread. I don't like to argue to I also don't want to be thought of as a bad ninja. I love the ppl that I've had good PTs with before but I don't want to be in a position where I'm not getting invites and ppl are /blist'ing me because of you. And I don't think its unreasonable at all for me to defend myself just like (if I had bashed you) it wouldn't be unreasonable for you to defend yourself. You did a good job. But what you said (and now others) was wrong and correcting that shared opinion is the sole purposet of this thread.
@ the rest of you
If you want to defend Cerescole and say how great she is please post that to the good times forum. For the love of God I am not attacking her or the way she plays. I'm only defending myself here. No matter what, you shouldn't rush to judgment or say things about people without having all the facts. And in this case the main evidence wasn't what could be seen by the alliance. It was in the logs. The fact that Cerescole is a good player and a good tank did not prevent the alliance from dying. But doing the kind of damage she was and also provoking she was able to get hate. But being a lvl69 nin I could not get hate back without any TA's. And just because we died doesn't mean that I didn't do my job either. Therefore I refuse to accept blame for something that wasn't my fault just like I do not blame Cerescole for ppl not listening to her either. Honestly, it could have been organized better but I can't even blame the leader if people didn't listen to him/her either. But please do not add to that chaos by bringing it here. This is done and over with. Cerescole was wrong for what she said and that's that. But she has already appologized. So there's no reason to discuss it further. So don't post here just because you like Cerescole. Even good people can make mistakes in judgment. That has now been corrected. And to those who weren't there but tried to understand from my perspective I offer my thanks and gratitude for your posts. I know you weren't there to see the evidence in the logs but it was there. People did not see the voke animation as a direct result of equipment changing causing my character model to blink. And if you need another person of reference (if you don't trust me) you can ask Johnnyb who was in my xp PT that day as a RNG. I didn't have to explain to him about my equip macros because he saw where the hate was going. But thank you all for your participation in this thread. It is now done, finished, over, beaten to death with a stick, etc. etc., have a nice day. Special thanks also to Tisbolo who acted as a peacemaker. He's a very good war/nin so please invite him to XP with you.
PEACE!
@Jayson
Please, read my posts before you post a response. You are agreeing that I wasn't voking when the whole point was that Cerescole was blaming me because she couldn't "see" the voke animation. Neither could anyone else, but if they checked the logs they would have seen it. You are an example of what I was trying to avoid and proves my point in starting this thread. Because Cerescole is a good player ppl will tend to believe her weather or not she was actually right. I didn't post to make her look bad or to make myself look good, simply to tell the truth about what happened and what went wrong. Cerescole will also tell you that she was ignored. You say it sounds like I should have tried harder for attention. Fact is, I did. After asking for TA a few times I asked for it again with a <call> afterwards. No luck. It wasn't so much that people weren't hearing us. They just didn't care. Please read my posts. I never bashed Cerescole. I was defending myself against what she said which was innaccurate. Furthermore, I already told her that I understood why she was mistaken. I only wanted her to appologize for it which she later did. It is admirable that you are here to defend your friend Cerescole. But Cerescole is not being attacked. I repeat... Cerescole needs no defense. Cerescole offended me by saying I sucked which wasn't true. Any strategy for this fight will tell you that you need the DDs with /thf to SATA the nin. People are simply assuming that I could have kept Hakutaku's attention on me with only what I had at my dispossal. If that was possible the strategy would not call for TAs and there wouldn't be a strategy that says that MNKs are not to melee. But instead we had a MNK doing SATA and not even on me. To add to that, paralyze interrupted at least a couple vokes (I do read the log as I fight since keeping my shadows up depends on it). And unlike spells, if voke is interrupted you have to wait until the timer runs down again. Is that my fault too? I don't think so. You need to get your facts straight because you are only taking the word of other people who were not reading the logs to see if I was provoking or not. That's the whole point of this. You don't even know me but you assume that what they "saw" was right.
@chippallen & Omicrom
I understand you want to defend Cerescole but I'm not bashing her or her performance. That's not even the issue. And the reason you saw her voke and not me is because she doesn't have an equipment change macro prior to her voke. You are simply saying things relying on seeing that animation. But like Sethala said in an earlier post, if you change equipment to add on emnity before provoke you cannot see the voke animation or even hear it. That is a fact that people are having a hard time understanding. And then judgments are being made based on this misperception. I have no doubt that Cerescole is a good tank. It's not her fault that no one SATA'd on me to take hate off her or to prevent hate from ever spreading to anyone else. She even said that they would usually open up with a SC on the tank. The fact, and I told Tisbolo this too, is if I had gotten those TAs we could have avoided those deaths. But they didn't know or follow the strategy. But even without the strategy, it is normal practice in XP situations to SATA SCs or just a solo WS on the tank if you have /thf. That should have been obvious but it wasn't done. So please stop blaming me for something that was beyond my control. And please don't say I wasn't voking just because you couldn't see or hear the animation. You did a good job on stun but fact remains I was still paralyzed through much of the second fight and no one gave me haste. I would love to see another nin in the same situation provide a better job so that I can find something that I did wrong. Like I told Tisbolo, I did everything humanly possible to get hate. But without SATA it just wasn't enough.
Finally @ Cerescole
Trust me, I read all your posts. And I do remember you said that. I never said I blamed your logic. If you weren't watching the logs you would not have known. That's why I didn't suddenly get all upset with you that night. I told you to check the logs. My purple outfit gives me the extra emnity but without the scorpion harness I was missing way too much. I believe that a good ninja should adapt to the situation. So my macros are setup to get the most out of my emnity, evasion, and dmg gear. So the second fight was an adaptation over the first. The first fight sucked too but at least Luminy was there doing an excellent job with the cures. I think that ppl thought they could just repeat what they did the first fight and win again. But I knew it wasn't going to work which is why I called for TA's before and during the fight. But we were ignored. And that is why we all died; not because of my tanking. You have good friends to come to your defense but as I've been saying, I'm not attacking you. I never blamed you for what happened. I wasn't pissed off about dying or the performance of the alliance. I was ONLY pissed off by what you said. And since you appologized for it then its ok now. But the whole point of me starting this thread is to keep people like your friends from thinking that I wasn't doing my job as tank. I was just not visible during the provoke animation/sound. To me its my professional reputation you insulted and I only wanted an appology or for you to say that I tried my best but didn't get what I needed from the alliance. You have the experience to know this. Have you ever fought Hakutaku successfully without SATAs on the tank? If you can put yourself in my shoes you will understand why I started this thread. But I just want you and everyone else to know that I never bashed or flamed you for your skills in the game. As much as you and your friends have a right to defend your name I also have a right to defend mine and I will do so. I don't dislike you. I even hope we can be friends after this. All I wanted was to reach an understanding with you and everyone else who might read this thread (because you weren't the only one) who couldn't "see" my Provoke animation so we can ALL stop posting to this thread. I don't like to argue to I also don't want to be thought of as a bad ninja. I love the ppl that I've had good PTs with before but I don't want to be in a position where I'm not getting invites and ppl are /blist'ing me because of you. And I don't think its unreasonable at all for me to defend myself just like (if I had bashed you) it wouldn't be unreasonable for you to defend yourself. You did a good job. But what you said (and now others) was wrong and correcting that shared opinion is the sole purposet of this thread.
@ the rest of you
If you want to defend Cerescole and say how great she is please post that to the good times forum. For the love of God I am not attacking her or the way she plays. I'm only defending myself here. No matter what, you shouldn't rush to judgment or say things about people without having all the facts. And in this case the main evidence wasn't what could be seen by the alliance. It was in the logs. The fact that Cerescole is a good player and a good tank did not prevent the alliance from dying. But doing the kind of damage she was and also provoking she was able to get hate. But being a lvl69 nin I could not get hate back without any TA's. And just because we died doesn't mean that I didn't do my job either. Therefore I refuse to accept blame for something that wasn't my fault just like I do not blame Cerescole for ppl not listening to her either. Honestly, it could have been organized better but I can't even blame the leader if people didn't listen to him/her either. But please do not add to that chaos by bringing it here. This is done and over with. Cerescole was wrong for what she said and that's that. But she has already appologized. So there's no reason to discuss it further. So don't post here just because you like Cerescole. Even good people can make mistakes in judgment. That has now been corrected. And to those who weren't there but tried to understand from my perspective I offer my thanks and gratitude for your posts. I know you weren't there to see the evidence in the logs but it was there. People did not see the voke animation as a direct result of equipment changing causing my character model to blink. And if you need another person of reference (if you don't trust me) you can ask Johnnyb who was in my xp PT that day as a RNG. I didn't have to explain to him about my equip macros because he saw where the hate was going. But thank you all for your participation in this thread. It is now done, finished, over, beaten to death with a stick, etc. etc., have a nice day. Special thanks also to Tisbolo who acted as a peacemaker. He's a very good war/nin so please invite him to XP with you.
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Perfectangel said:
First off, you'd be partially correct on that statement - I have played RDM, but it's currently only 16 right now (or around that), so I don't really think that counts.
(I used to static with a very good RDM, though, so I know a bit about how the job works.)
But that's beside the point. As I said in my first post, I wasn't there, and I've never actually met any of you before (at least, I don't remember meeting you guys >.> ). I was just trying to clear up some possible misunderstandings that you guys had. Although, are you sure it's not possible that you missed his Provoke because of chat filters? If Ceres was in your party and Zealot was in a different party in the alliance, that could be why - filter settings for alliance members are different than for party members (although I'm guessing you already know that - you RDMs need specific filter settings, I guess).
Omicrom said:
Actually, I'm fairly sure that unless you have a /wait 1 line in your Provoke macro after switching equipment, there's no animation. It's the same thing for every ability or spell (ask just about any BRD, as they probably use "blinking" equipment swap macros the most - changing a ranged weapon causes your character model to blink). Still, I've never used it myself, so I'll have to test it sometime. Unless you were talking about not seeing it in the chat logs, in which case you'd be right (or you've got filter settings keeping you from seeing that, one of the two).
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Sethala said:
AS a bard i know what it looks like u dont see the notes but u still see the effct of the song same with BLM spells u dont see the casting but the spell graphic appears. as for voke u may not see the animation of the charractor using provoke but u see the graphic it makes on the mob
Sethala said:
LOL I'm sorry I got to laugh! I JUST love how just because you partied with a rdm you know the job. That makes me laugh everytime someone says it.
anyways thats not the point.
If you had been there you would have knew who was in whos pt. I wasnt in thier pt I was in a different one, but I saw who was paralyzed and who voked. I never said he didnt voke, I said he didnt much.
Sucks to hear that ; ; I hope that my O HAT run wont be like that. >< Invite me if you need an Optical Hat run.
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Perfectangel said:
No no no, you misunderstood. I wasn't saying I knew every in-and-out of the job, in fact I said "I know a bit about how the job works", not "I know everything there is to know about RDM". I only brought up the fact that I staticed with a RDM because I was saying I know what the job does (that it's more than just refreshing and backup nuking/healing). I really don't know much of anything else about it, though.
As I said before, I was only trying to clear up some possible misunderstandings that it looked like some of you were having. I didn't know you were watching the chat log more than the actual fight - heck, I didn't even really notice that you were a RDM untill you called it out. You just said that you didn't see him Provoke, and I assumed that it meant you didn't see the animation at all. Though, since chat filters weren't a problem, are you sure you didn't see him 'voke because he's paralyzed? I'm assuming you know that if you're paralyzed when you Provoke, as with any job ability, there's a chance that it won't work and you still have to wait for the countdown timer - similar to casting spells, although with spells there's no cooldown timer or MP cost if you get paralyzed while casting.
Omicrom said:
Yes, you do see the animation for the spell after it happens, but that's only because it happens -after- the equipment swap is finished. With Provoke (and any other JA), the full animation happens as soon as the ability is used - it doesn't happen in parts like spells do (with a spell, there's two parts - the casting animation and the finished casting animation - wheras a JA only has one animation). But, I haven't done this myself to see if there's an animation on the mob, so I'll have to test it myself sometime.
I would just like to note your chances of sleeping HKTK are very very slim to none, so zealot, you said earlier you has it slept to get a few vokes off? Is this the same HKTK that drops Optical hat? lol
Zealot X said:
Err.. meant to quote it, so there it is.. I seriously doubt you slept HKTK to be able to get 2 vokes in, if this were the case, there would never be any need to stun it.
As far as I know, only a few enfeebles are able to be landed such as blind, dia, slow, paralyze, gravity and prolly a few more, but certainly not sleep.
Re: Done
You won't admit to any fault :| Perfect already told you she was reading the log and said you voked a few times, but not enough - also that I was the one needing paralyzna, not you. Heh, If I can tank it with my measily +3 or so enmity, then you should have been able to get it off with your macho +14ish. I don't have filers on =/ but there was so much spam there and when I fight HKTK, I'm usually sure ppl know what they're doing - as a backup tank, I was watching HKTK itself and YOUR HP bar. We NEVER slept it :| At the start of the second fight, one of the Black Mages stunned it so it was still long enough for 1 voke and maybe a debuf..... Zeal, the more I listen to you repeat yourself, the more I feel you're just trying to hide behind things that cannot be proven by either side, which is rather stupid :| escpecially since you're greatly outnumbered by people who were there and were reading the log (tho you seem to want to ignore the fact that they were reading the log and not just watching for animation like I was since I hardly had the time while trying to tank it on my own - you can't touch that fact when it's been said by many ppl that I was tanking most of those fights. I even got thanked many times by the pld whos hat we got the first fight in /tell since he knew you wouldn't have won without me). When I'm in a battle in game, reguardless of whether it is an NM or an XP party, I don't talk much - my eyes are on the mob when I'm tanking, and in the log when I'm DDing. You're just ignoring everyone's posts, repeating yourself over and over again (when ppl who were there have said you're wrong), and STILL won't admit to any fault at all =/ I tried being nice.... When you said you weren't flaming me in that /tell in game, I said "ok, I'm sorry for any misunderstandings", then told Tis I appologized to you, but in an earlier post, you lied....you flat out lied and said you appologized and I never responded. Then in your last post, you said I did appologize..... You know the truth, you're just too good to admit you could have done a LOT better.
Tis, I never remember saying you sucked "once upon a time" :| When I met you, I was only a 71+ DRG and you checked me in Jeuno and asked for tips on beating Maat since you were a 70 Dragoon at the time whining that you kept losing. I've never partied with you before, but I gave you strategies then and only got upset with you once :| never said you sucked tho.....
Zealot X said:
You won't admit to any fault :| Perfect already told you she was reading the log and said you voked a few times, but not enough - also that I was the one needing paralyzna, not you. Heh, If I can tank it with my measily +3 or so enmity, then you should have been able to get it off with your macho +14ish. I don't have filers on =/ but there was so much spam there and when I fight HKTK, I'm usually sure ppl know what they're doing - as a backup tank, I was watching HKTK itself and YOUR HP bar. We NEVER slept it :| At the start of the second fight, one of the Black Mages stunned it so it was still long enough for 1 voke and maybe a debuf..... Zeal, the more I listen to you repeat yourself, the more I feel you're just trying to hide behind things that cannot be proven by either side, which is rather stupid :| escpecially since you're greatly outnumbered by people who were there and were reading the log (tho you seem to want to ignore the fact that they were reading the log and not just watching for animation like I was since I hardly had the time while trying to tank it on my own - you can't touch that fact when it's been said by many ppl that I was tanking most of those fights. I even got thanked many times by the pld whos hat we got the first fight in /tell since he knew you wouldn't have won without me). When I'm in a battle in game, reguardless of whether it is an NM or an XP party, I don't talk much - my eyes are on the mob when I'm tanking, and in the log when I'm DDing. You're just ignoring everyone's posts, repeating yourself over and over again (when ppl who were there have said you're wrong), and STILL won't admit to any fault at all =/ I tried being nice.... When you said you weren't flaming me in that /tell in game, I said "ok, I'm sorry for any misunderstandings", then told Tis I appologized to you, but in an earlier post, you lied....you flat out lied and said you appologized and I never responded. Then in your last post, you said I did appologize..... You know the truth, you're just too good to admit you could have done a LOT better.
Tis, I never remember saying you sucked "once upon a time" :| When I met you, I was only a 71+ DRG and you checked me in Jeuno and asked for tips on beating Maat since you were a 70 Dragoon at the time whining that you kept losing. I've never partied with you before, but I gave you strategies then and only got upset with you once :| never said you sucked tho.....
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Cerescole said:
"I couldn't see you blinking =/ but it could have been easily missed since I couldn't even see myself..... Before the first fight, I asked the leader of the alliance if there was going to be an opening Skillchain onto you and he said no =/ I'll admit, everytime I do this, there is an opening Skillchain. Furthermore, I wasn't familiar with the term "blinking" to mean blinking equipment, which would explain why I never saw you provoking - when you change equipment and voke simultaniously, it doesn't show you voking. I know you aren't namining names, which is nice of you, I just saw so many references to the arguement we had after to make me think I was the main reason you posted this. About the SA/TA people and your saying anything about it in /p, I saw the Paladin and the Red Mage who wanted me to come saying this as well (which was probably why I never cought you saying it; I was talking to the Red Mage in /tell who was asking me if the fight was ok). "
Man, I wish we could have ended it here. The only other thing I was trying to tell you was the only reason it seemed like it was directed towards you was because no one else pissed me off. But I wasn't trying to get you back for it at all. I just wanted to get the truth out. But I give up on trying to be nice. It doesn't matter how many ppl you produce I was voking the whole time when it was possible and you could only see my voke animation when I did not change back to my regular equipment. As for whoever saying they were watching the logs, it said I was paralyzed over and over so I don't think they were watching it closely enough to catch everything that happened or like Sethala suggested, couldn't see it because they were not in my PT. Not to mention that provoke is a single action so it doesn't show up in the log at all if it gets interrupted by paralyze. That's probably one of the reasons Luminy switched to my PT before the first fight. It's kind of ironic when I think about it. I couldn't get paralyna cuz they supposedly didn't see my vokes in the log and I couldn't get some of my vokes out because I was paralyzed. It's comical.
Like I said before, paralyze can prevent vokes and then you have to wait for the timer to run down again. And the only reason I'm repeating myself is because it doesn't seem like the people wanting to defend you are actually reading what I said earlier. And if they weren't ignoring me like I said they were then how is it that I never got haste? If your friends were watching the log for their PT that's one thing but watching the logs for the entire alliance is a little harder for me to believe considering I was paralyzed. Even if I did have hate I couldnt have solo tanked it without haste. The text window has a maximum of 8 lines right? Unless they had the text window full screen I'm supposed to believe they saw paralyze for almost 18 ppl?
This is officially gotten stupid and I'm trying to dead this whole thing.
Just a few more things to sum up:
1. You based what you said because of what you saw on screen
2. You could not see provoke because of the Macro (Sethala's right about that)
3. I didn't blame you for not knowing
4. You weren't lying tho because that is what you believed
5. I stated that I wasn't flaming you and sent you a /tell appologizing because I heard ppl thought I was. I was being nice even though you pissed me off.
6. Me lie? No. I have no reason to lie. I waited for a reply from you but didn't get one so I figured you were too busy to respond since you were in a PT at the time. Either that or you had /blisted me. Then I sent you a /tell after that to say that I would reply to your last post in which I appologized there too because I didn't know if you'd heard my /tell or not.
7. Since I never saw your /tell back (maybe it was 30min later or so when I was afk?) I was not lying. If you did send one I never knew it.
8. I said I was a good nin, never did I say I was any better than that. especially not perfect and not uber. And in my humble opinion a good nin goes that extra mile to get better gear, keep up his shadows, and adapt to the situation as opposed to a nin who doesn't. You're from an LS called Bastokian High Elite and I can't even refer to myself as good? WTF? Ok, from now on, just for you, I will say that I am a standard ninja just so no one think I'm bragging and you can be high elite.
9. you got hate because you were doing a lot more damage and you voked. Whoopee for you but you are higher lvl than me and are much more of a DD job. I was barely able to hit so unlike you I needed SATA which I didn't get.
10. ALL strategies on Hakutaku say that you need melees to SATA the nin. It doesn't make an excuse for Nins with 10 or more emnity and say that they don't need SATA.
11. I held hate until melees started unleashing WSs
12. ok, so it was stun at the beginning of the fight when I thought someone slept it. MY BAD! OMG... Anyway, because of that I voked, got some enfeebs in (whether they stuck or not), and then voked again.
13. The whm who was responsible for my status had to leave and no one else really stepped up to do the same job. And Tisbolo told me there was a replacement whm on the way but they didn't want to wait.
14. I know that I'm not perfect and we all make mistakes but after saying that I had done everything humanly possible under those conditions I asked if there was anything more I could have done and the only thing your buddies could come up with was Provoke? Well I already explained why you didn't see it, explained what prevented some as well as elemental spam. So as far as I'm concerned what I said still stands. I did everything I could do under those circumstances.
This is the point where I say this is just a game. You've already said that you could be wrong. And that a lot of people were at fault. I'm not perfect but there were people, including you, Tisbolo, Luminy, and myself who were not at fault and who did their jobs. I know there were others too but and excuse me for leaving you out but I can't remember everyone. So if I suck because of that whole mess; not getting haste, paralyna, or SATA then you suck too because that was no more my fault than it was yours. But of course your friends aren't willing to accept someone saying that YOU suck which is good for you because you don't deserve it. But neither do I. You did your best. I did my best. We died. End of story. You think I'm trying to dodge blame but I'm not. You put any nin lvl 69 into that situation, don't haste him, don't paralyna him, don't SATA on him, and I'm willing to bet all my gil that you get the same results of the mob being all over the place attacking DDs and going after mages. Show me one who can and I'll admit to some blame.
I also asked Tisbolo (not trying to get him in trouble with you) if he remembered you telling him that you appologized to me and he didn't remember. Instead what he remembered was you appologizing to him about him not getting his hat.
So whatever. You can believe whatever you want and a I'd like to send a big shout out and thank you to Sethala who I don't even know. Your knowledge of the game is impressive. Perhaps some higher level players forget that we don't know everything about this game. Hell, I know there are tons of things I don't know about this game. But I've been using equip macros with provoke and other spells and abilities for a long time now so I have enough experience with them to say that you are correct. It's too bad though that this misunderstand won't be cleared up because ppl just don't like being wrong. And like someone else said, its too bad it turned out this way because I'm the one who gets to look like poo.
I know they say there's strength in numbers but if Cerescole could be wrong about my provoking than anyone could have also been wrong too. It's not one of those things where the word of 2 or more people makes it true. But I tried to be nice... I've sincerely asked for honest opinions but that time is over. Cerescole says I want to comfort myself, but the reality seems more like she wants to keep from looking like a bad person for unfairly blaming me. I still don't believe she is a bad person. But I do believe she made a mistake. And if you want to tell me how good a player or tank she is... I really don't care at this point because its irrelevant. And if you weren't there and say that I didn't provoke just because that's what you heard I offer you a nice big STFU from the bottom of my heart because you really don't care what happened. You just want to take Cerescole's side. This should be a dead issue now. Believe whatever helps you sleep better. It's just a game and I don't need your help to get to 75. But I will not flame you or spread anything bad about you in the game. I'm closing the book on it right here. and if you or one of your friends on having the last word I will simply laugh and reply with a rude answer so there's really no point. None of you can force me to believe I wasn't doing what I know I was doing. It's that simple. And really, if you know how hate works this shouldn't be rocket science. So unless you have some new information, evidence, a clue, etc. the niceness (what very little remains) ends right now.
"I couldn't see you blinking =/ but it could have been easily missed since I couldn't even see myself..... Before the first fight, I asked the leader of the alliance if there was going to be an opening Skillchain onto you and he said no =/ I'll admit, everytime I do this, there is an opening Skillchain. Furthermore, I wasn't familiar with the term "blinking" to mean blinking equipment, which would explain why I never saw you provoking - when you change equipment and voke simultaniously, it doesn't show you voking. I know you aren't namining names, which is nice of you, I just saw so many references to the arguement we had after to make me think I was the main reason you posted this. About the SA/TA people and your saying anything about it in /p, I saw the Paladin and the Red Mage who wanted me to come saying this as well (which was probably why I never cought you saying it; I was talking to the Red Mage in /tell who was asking me if the fight was ok). "
Man, I wish we could have ended it here. The only other thing I was trying to tell you was the only reason it seemed like it was directed towards you was because no one else pissed me off. But I wasn't trying to get you back for it at all. I just wanted to get the truth out. But I give up on trying to be nice. It doesn't matter how many ppl you produce I was voking the whole time when it was possible and you could only see my voke animation when I did not change back to my regular equipment. As for whoever saying they were watching the logs, it said I was paralyzed over and over so I don't think they were watching it closely enough to catch everything that happened or like Sethala suggested, couldn't see it because they were not in my PT. Not to mention that provoke is a single action so it doesn't show up in the log at all if it gets interrupted by paralyze. That's probably one of the reasons Luminy switched to my PT before the first fight. It's kind of ironic when I think about it. I couldn't get paralyna cuz they supposedly didn't see my vokes in the log and I couldn't get some of my vokes out because I was paralyzed. It's comical.
Like I said before, paralyze can prevent vokes and then you have to wait for the timer to run down again. And the only reason I'm repeating myself is because it doesn't seem like the people wanting to defend you are actually reading what I said earlier. And if they weren't ignoring me like I said they were then how is it that I never got haste? If your friends were watching the log for their PT that's one thing but watching the logs for the entire alliance is a little harder for me to believe considering I was paralyzed. Even if I did have hate I couldnt have solo tanked it without haste. The text window has a maximum of 8 lines right? Unless they had the text window full screen I'm supposed to believe they saw paralyze for almost 18 ppl?
This is officially gotten stupid and I'm trying to dead this whole thing.
Just a few more things to sum up:
1. You based what you said because of what you saw on screen
2. You could not see provoke because of the Macro (Sethala's right about that)
3. I didn't blame you for not knowing
4. You weren't lying tho because that is what you believed
5. I stated that I wasn't flaming you and sent you a /tell appologizing because I heard ppl thought I was. I was being nice even though you pissed me off.
6. Me lie? No. I have no reason to lie. I waited for a reply from you but didn't get one so I figured you were too busy to respond since you were in a PT at the time. Either that or you had /blisted me. Then I sent you a /tell after that to say that I would reply to your last post in which I appologized there too because I didn't know if you'd heard my /tell or not.
7. Since I never saw your /tell back (maybe it was 30min later or so when I was afk?) I was not lying. If you did send one I never knew it.
8. I said I was a good nin, never did I say I was any better than that. especially not perfect and not uber. And in my humble opinion a good nin goes that extra mile to get better gear, keep up his shadows, and adapt to the situation as opposed to a nin who doesn't. You're from an LS called Bastokian High Elite and I can't even refer to myself as good? WTF? Ok, from now on, just for you, I will say that I am a standard ninja just so no one think I'm bragging and you can be high elite.
9. you got hate because you were doing a lot more damage and you voked. Whoopee for you but you are higher lvl than me and are much more of a DD job. I was barely able to hit so unlike you I needed SATA which I didn't get.
10. ALL strategies on Hakutaku say that you need melees to SATA the nin. It doesn't make an excuse for Nins with 10 or more emnity and say that they don't need SATA.
11. I held hate until melees started unleashing WSs
12. ok, so it was stun at the beginning of the fight when I thought someone slept it. MY BAD! OMG... Anyway, because of that I voked, got some enfeebs in (whether they stuck or not), and then voked again.
13. The whm who was responsible for my status had to leave and no one else really stepped up to do the same job. And Tisbolo told me there was a replacement whm on the way but they didn't want to wait.
14. I know that I'm not perfect and we all make mistakes but after saying that I had done everything humanly possible under those conditions I asked if there was anything more I could have done and the only thing your buddies could come up with was Provoke? Well I already explained why you didn't see it, explained what prevented some as well as elemental spam. So as far as I'm concerned what I said still stands. I did everything I could do under those circumstances.
This is the point where I say this is just a game. You've already said that you could be wrong. And that a lot of people were at fault. I'm not perfect but there were people, including you, Tisbolo, Luminy, and myself who were not at fault and who did their jobs. I know there were others too but and excuse me for leaving you out but I can't remember everyone. So if I suck because of that whole mess; not getting haste, paralyna, or SATA then you suck too because that was no more my fault than it was yours. But of course your friends aren't willing to accept someone saying that YOU suck which is good for you because you don't deserve it. But neither do I. You did your best. I did my best. We died. End of story. You think I'm trying to dodge blame but I'm not. You put any nin lvl 69 into that situation, don't haste him, don't paralyna him, don't SATA on him, and I'm willing to bet all my gil that you get the same results of the mob being all over the place attacking DDs and going after mages. Show me one who can and I'll admit to some blame.
I also asked Tisbolo (not trying to get him in trouble with you) if he remembered you telling him that you appologized to me and he didn't remember. Instead what he remembered was you appologizing to him about him not getting his hat.
So whatever. You can believe whatever you want and a I'd like to send a big shout out and thank you to Sethala who I don't even know. Your knowledge of the game is impressive. Perhaps some higher level players forget that we don't know everything about this game. Hell, I know there are tons of things I don't know about this game. But I've been using equip macros with provoke and other spells and abilities for a long time now so I have enough experience with them to say that you are correct. It's too bad though that this misunderstand won't be cleared up because ppl just don't like being wrong. And like someone else said, its too bad it turned out this way because I'm the one who gets to look like poo.
I know they say there's strength in numbers but if Cerescole could be wrong about my provoking than anyone could have also been wrong too. It's not one of those things where the word of 2 or more people makes it true. But I tried to be nice... I've sincerely asked for honest opinions but that time is over. Cerescole says I want to comfort myself, but the reality seems more like she wants to keep from looking like a bad person for unfairly blaming me. I still don't believe she is a bad person. But I do believe she made a mistake. And if you want to tell me how good a player or tank she is... I really don't care at this point because its irrelevant. And if you weren't there and say that I didn't provoke just because that's what you heard I offer you a nice big STFU from the bottom of my heart because you really don't care what happened. You just want to take Cerescole's side. This should be a dead issue now. Believe whatever helps you sleep better. It's just a game and I don't need your help to get to 75. But I will not flame you or spread anything bad about you in the game. I'm closing the book on it right here. and if you or one of your friends on having the last word I will simply laugh and reply with a rude answer so there's really no point. None of you can force me to believe I wasn't doing what I know I was doing. It's that simple. And really, if you know how hate works this shouldn't be rocket science. So unless you have some new information, evidence, a clue, etc. the niceness (what very little remains) ends right now.
If you want this to be a dead issue, posting a big ol' essay isn't the way to go. It won't end that way cause someone will come in and contradict your whole post, lol. For example, if you *thought* someone slept it at the beginning but it was really stun, your obviously not reading the log ;\
Meh, I won't go any further, I'll just stop posting.
Meh, I won't go any further, I'll just stop posting.
Zealot X said:
I don't care what you think anymore, Zeal :| if you wanted it dead, you should have stopped coming back. We were in the same party while Perf was in a different one - she could see the vokes AND my paralyze so there was no reason why she would not see yours :|
I had a talk with Tis today, and he says he's been trying to get you to stop posting a while now :? If you're such the problem solver, admit you lied about the appology in /tell. That's what cut my patience - your rediculous habbit for repeating yourself and lying :| these long essays? mine weren't that long and cut right to your "points".
Live and learn, Zeal. It's obvious you can't let shit go - you try to hide behind assumptions and repetitive accusations without reason :|
Main fact over everything is, if you're the good ninja you say you are, then you would learn from your mistakes on that run and try harder next time to make up for it. If you're not mature enough to admit you were at some fault, you won't ever improve. If you don't improve, I feel sorry for the next desperate sap that tries to bribe you along for this NM :|
Show you want to put this thread down and leave it at that. It's all I have to say :|
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I didnt lie because I never saw it.
Being paralyzed wasn't my imagination.
And you keep coming back too.
Period
Being paralyzed wasn't my imagination.
And you keep coming back too.
Period