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I was bored and looking though weapons on ffxiclopedia and can across there hidden effect page. (if you have no seen it I recommend you do. click on hidden effect.)

Then I started to wondering some things like why is the maneater and Blau Dolch considered one the best axes/dagger for warrior/thief but the Wagh Baghnakhs don't even get a notice. I can see the destroyer being good for hnm/bcnm because the wagh effect only work when under 100% tp but in a exp party would not the wagh be a better choice? If not then why is the man eatter such a big choice for the maneater/ridill people?

Another weapon which does not get much look at is the Ryumon
this katana is a 38dmg 227delay with 1.25% atk bonus (3.8% in besieged) when shadows are up.
Now I've heard the reason this one not notice is because most ninja have a str setup so there atk not all that good to notice a big difference from the atk bonus. Is that the only reason?

Are these weapon just not popular because people don't know there hidden/latent effects or just because they don't compare to there already in use counterparts?
 
Might be because WAR has D in h2h, and THF has E. Thats not very good. But I do agree on people not looking into latent effects, they should do that much more often.
 
Ruffyreborn said:
Might be because WAR has D in h2h, and THF has E. Thats not very good. But I do agree on people not looking into latent effects, they should do that much more often.
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I believe he meant Wagh for MNKs, and was using Maneater WARs as a comparison...
 
Sanoske said:
I believe he meant Wagh for MNKs, and was using Maneater WARs as a comparison...
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oh, okay.

Looking and comparing both Destroyers and the Wagh Baghnaks, Destroyers still seem over all better to me (once the latent of 500WS poitns is broken, though)

The delay is shorter, and the amount of DMG is the same, plus the crit hit counts for both hands, which probably increases your overall damage. I personally wouldnt sacrifice what I would gain from Destroyers (post latent) for 14 more attack and 5 acc and more delay
 
Probably because they both don't have Critical Hit%+. Wagh Baghnahk suck compared to Destroyers. It has more delay and no critical hit%+. And the Ryumon or whatever it is, is just a Senjuinrikio with out the critical hit%+, which is why most people use Senj anyway. Note how both the Rampager and Heart Snatcher lack in comparison to the Maneater and Blau Dolch.
 
I think i would go maneater/ridill over woody/ridill any day (if thats the alternate weapon your speaking of). Mainly because your DoT would be alot higher, with the sacrifice of a bit weaker rampage.
 
war has a B skill in h2h i believe in fact pretty sure
 
Khidir said:
war has a B skill in h2h i believe in fact pretty sure
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I could be wrong, just because Im quoting a site, but ffxicyclopedia.com says:

WAR is D cap, lv 210 at 75
 
Sanoske said:
Did they upgrade it? Last I checked PUP had a C in H2H.
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Maybe I'm thinking of Automaton skills then. SOMETHING about PUP is B.

edit: oh wait, Guard.
 
Skaw said:
Maybe I'm thinking of Automaton skills then. SOMETHING about PUP is B.

edit: oh wait, Guard.
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Evasion too, I think. I remember having pretty decent evasion.
 
Legomyeggo said:
Probably because they both don't have Critical Hit%+. Wagh Baghnahk suck compared to Destroyers. It has more delay and no critical hit%+. And the Ryumon or whatever it is, is just a Senjuinrikio with out the critical hit%+, which is why most people use Senj anyway. Note how both the Rampager and Heart Snatcher lack in comparison to the Maneater and Blau Dolch.
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This is correct. Since the 6% crit applies to both fists, destroyers are noticeably more powerful than the waghs, and really more powerful than any of the other +6% crit weapons. The difference in the delays is 1/5 of a second, so destroyers are slightly faster, but the biggest difference is the additional damage from the increased number of criticals you will get.
 
If war had anything higher than C+ in h2h, it'd be pretty broken: Asuran Fists + Mighty Strikes.
 
CmdrFly said:
If war had anything higher than C+ in h2h, it'd be pretty broken: Asuran Fists + Mighty Strikes.
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Merits, Cesti Belt + Torque rarr?


I'm kindof wondering how Retributor compares to other axes...though I'm pretty sure it's simply inferior due to it's low damage and slow speed, and certainly no good for BST who are in sore need of extra attack. =\
 
Even with merits and +combat skill gear, you can't get access to any quested WS your job would not have normally been able to get. For example, Savage Blade is 240 sword skill, BRDs cap at 220 normally, and with 8 merits and a Suppanomimi (that makes 241 skill) and Savage Blade unlocked via some other job, BRDs still don't get Savage Blade. Same would, I imagine, be true for WARs and Asuran Fists.
 
Vilurum said:
Even with merits and +combat skill gear, you can't get access to any quested WS your job would not have normally been able to get. For example, Savage Blade is 240 sword skill, BRDs cap at 220 normally, and with 8 merits and a Suppanomimi (that makes 241 skill) and Savage Blade unlocked via some other job, BRDs still don't get Savage Blade. Same would, I imagine, be true for WARs and Asuran Fists.
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Yup. If you can't equip the trial weapon, you can't get the WS by any means.

Mishaela said:
I'm kindof wondering how Retributor compares to other axes...though I'm pretty sure it's simply inferior due to it's low damage and slow speed, and certainly no good for BST who are in sore need of extra attack. =\
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I've been very, very, very curious as to how good Retributor is. Been trying to get one for ages but Aries is a straight-up penis... lost 5 or 6 orbs in total to him. Gonna have to resort to Copycat soon.

Unlocked Retributor would be one of the few cases where it would make sense to mainhand the weapon with lower base dmg. If anything, it will shine in Rampage spikes.

I believe Retributor is 276 delay vs. Woody/Meater's 288 by the way, so it's just mildly faster.
 
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