Chasym said:
now why was it no one ever noticed me hacking? well i wasnt stupid when using them for one, the other reason is, i never hacked for benefit. I was always broke, barley ever camped NMs, or anything of the sort. I used to just flee and pos to get around faster, thats about it. I was more interested in the inner workings of hacks and the game itself, i love that sort of stuff. Does that make it right? most likley not.
Oh i voke botted dont get me wrong, because i need to clear an age old accusation that everyone knows but no true member would come out and say.
Even if you speed hacked and warped around it was still for personal gain. You didn't want to walk around like everyone else so you cheated to save time. I also fail to see how botting at HNM's was not for personal gain. You getting claim would either get you some gil from drops or possible lotting of different r/e items.
You know I can see how hacking can intrest you and all but you should really save it for offline games. Games that will in no way shape of form effect anyone but yourself. Hacking is cheating, bottom-line. SE designed the game in a certain way for a reason.
By hacking you going against the "laws of nature." Or more accuratly the laws of Final Fantasy XI. These games have certain laws for a reason. Much like real life the government makes laws. To keep people safe. Yes, to keep them safe. Not happy. Hacking may make you happy but they violate other people in the game. It doesnt matter what hack you use. I don't know about the rest of the people in the game but I hate running around to get to camps, I also hate camping for 3+ hours and being outclaimed.
By botting you Violate every other person who is camping with you. Who stood in rolan fields summoning for hours to cap that magic. Who actually finsihed for months on end to get 100 fishing, lu shangs, ect. By speed hacking and warping around you violate everyone who runs to their camps.
From what many have said you seem like a nice guy. And in life I'm sure you are. But you no more than the criminal in FF. Yeah I know someones going say blah blah blah ulli stones. Get over it it's been debated to death.
Sirelrohir said:
Third, they may hack, but unlike your ls, they dont pay people to hack for them. LOL, are people gonna be seeing u guys up in sky more often now that RMT are gone? Or are u guys gonna lay low for a while,then go back to sky so it doesnt seem like you arent getting uli stones anymore?
First off, buying of an ulli stone was never an issue. Some said it was lazy and it probably is, but the only real problem was that the bulk of the stones in circulation was from rmt. And the only real issue with buying items if because rmt use hacks. Now the way you worded this it sounds like its worse to buy items from hackers then it is to actually hack. I guess everyone will have to stop buying from bazaars with people who have ties with OH. Because now they're just as bad as rmt. It seems camping with OH is no better then camping with rmt. And by xping with them you are aiding the problem. You would be supporting hackers.
Sirelrohir said:
So yes, i do limbus with some of those people. They are my friends, and I havent seen them hack in limbus. Now you on the other hand, will play ignorant as to where your uli stones come from. Crosis, be honest... who in your ls bots? Come on, new beginnings and such, just tell us. Cuz u know they do.
Here you go again bringing up the ulli stones. Scapegoat much? If you've read the OH threads at all they specificaly talk about using hacks in limbus. If they did or not I can't say but from the evidance it wouldn't surprise me.
As for our ls botting we have strict rules against it. It is never talked about in the open on our ls site and to my knowledge no one does. If someone was found out to be using hacks they'd most likely be removed from the shell. But I still have yet to see a thread accusing anyone in our shell of hacking and having some form of proof.
I honestly don't know where everyone is getting the statistic 95% of the player database use hacks but that seems pretty inaccurate. I maybe a little nieve, to tell the truth I didn't know what POS was till this thread but I'd like to believe there are more people out there with higher morals then that.
Uzor said:
it's simple. Neophytal made a stupid analogy that flee hacking in FFXI = RL bank robbery. Someone protected him sying that all crimes are the same. Sicne bank robbery is much worse then flee hacking in more then 1 way, and since apparently, they SHOULD count as the same because both have similar but yet very large differences, one can only draw one conclusion from his responce...
Neo's analogy was ment to point out that just because you were pressured into doing something it doesn't make it alright. Which is true. It seemed pretty clear. The Severity of the crime wasn't important. Just the comparison. I have no doubt that the darienn(sp) person you were talking about is the nicest person alive. But peer pressure doesn't absolve you of the crime.
A crime with the best of intent is still a crime.
*shrugs* oh well.
