I quit. (post of the year)

Rappa said:
I'm pretty sure he's just saying what I and others have said in other topics, that you're naive if you believe that your shell is 100% hacker/cheater-free. Someone is hacking, but no one other than that person knows. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's what he means there.
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Fair enough. As long as certain people know this before they go around accusing others, then hey, thats fine with me.
 
Sirelrohir said:
this is where im getting it from.
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You're silly. I just explained how thats a generalization. He uses Kaizen's name for shock value, but he doesn't actually know anything. He knows people in every endgame shell hack the same way we know that every teenager is full of agst and is rebelious. While there are alot where that is the case, it isn't always the case. I wouldn't take broad generalization's and figures of speech to mean much of anything.

The line you quoted immediately under the bold should make it pretty clear he doesn't actually have proof or actually know.

Chasym said:
even if ive never come into contact with any member of that shell, im certain.
thats just how many are out there in this game...
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Sirelrohir said:
Answer me this. If the only thing i do with some of them is limbus, and they dont hack in limbus, i am benifitting how? Thus making me a cheater how exactly?

As for my edit, I based it on chasym's post where he says there are people in every ls that hack. I know you guys think your better then everyone else, and it probably will devestate you when someone in your ls is finally outted, but i hope you can deal with it the best you can.

As for paying others to hack for you, well there was a huge thread about that.
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I said every shell has someone in it who hacks, I never said i KNOW someone in every shell who hacks, it would be kinda weird to say that i did.
Its a generalization that there are that many players with access and use of hacks, that most just keep it under wraps and dont say a word to a soul.
theres at least one if not more in every shell on every server everywhere.
 
Bigboy said:
You're silly. I just explained how thats a generalization. He uses Kaizen's name for shock value, but he doesn't actually know anything. He knows people in every endgame shell hack the same way we know that every teenager is full of agst and is rebelious. While there are alot where that is the case, it isn't always the case. I wouldn't take broad generalization's and figures of speech to mean much of anything.

The line you quoted immediately under the bold should make it pretty clear he doesn't actually have proof or actually know.
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you are correct sir.
and i didnt use kaizen for shock value, i used it because i really was specifically asked if anyone in kaizen cheated in a PM, to which i replied the same as i have stated before that it would be stupid to think there wasnt at least one or two, and that i wouldnt be giving them a name if i had one or not. just to keep it in mind that every shell has at least one, and everyone in the game associates with hackers on a daily basis.
 
Bigboy said:
You're silly. I just explained how thats a generalization. He uses Kaizen's name for shock value, but he doesn't actually know anything. He knows people in every endgame shell hack the same way we know that every teenager is full of agst and is rebelious. While there are alot where that is the case, it isn't always the case. I wouldn't take broad generalization's and figures of speech to mean much of anything.

The line you quoted immediately under the bold should make it pretty clear he doesn't actually have proof or actually know.
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Jamal was in kaizen at one point, right? Did you guys kick him out for hacking? Did he leave for some other reason?

Chasym uses kaizen because its the shell most likely to have someone in it that does that. Why do i say that? Simple, because of your success in end game (insert the he must be jealous comments here, crosis). This is coming from someone that doesnt do endgame anymore. I got bored of waiting around for hours for something to spawn. But i do realize that for you guys to get what you get, there must be something shady going on.

The problem is this. Your ls is as guilty as any other ls'. Yet you dont want to admit it, but you do want to talk shit about every other ls out there that isnt the mighty kaizen. Your ego's need to be put in check. You guys are just like every other ls that you talk shit about. You make other ls' do the work to raise a character, then you recruit them out of that shell and into yours. You guys are arrogant and your attitudes are terrible. You send people to CC others at POPPED mobs. Why is that? Hoping the people that popped it lose so you can claim it, without doing any of the work to gather items?

If you people are capable of that, then you are more then capable of hacking. Your character speaks to it. As for some of the newer people that you recruited, i actually do trust some of them. Even if we had our differences, they never hacked. But your ls in general are about as trustworthy as the reason we entered the iraq war.
 
Sirelrohir said:
Jamal was in kaizen at one point, right? Did you guys kick him out for hacking? Did he leave for some other reason?

Chasym uses kaizen because its the shell most likely to have someone in it that does that. Why do i say that? Simple, because of your success in end game (insert the he must be jealous comments here, crosis). This is coming from someone that doesnt do endgame anymore. I got bored of waiting around for hours for something to spawn. But i do realize that for you guys to get what you get, there must be something shady going on.

The problem is this. Your ls is as guilty as any other ls'. Yet you dont want to admit it, but you do want to talk shit about every other ls out there that isnt the mighty kaizen. Your ego's need to be put in check. You guys are just like every other ls that you talk shit about. You make other ls' do the work to raise a character, then you recruit them out of that shell and into yours. You guys are arrogant and your attitudes are terrible. You send people to CC others at POPPED mobs. Why is that? Hoping the people that popped it lose so you can claim it, without doing any of the work to gather items?

If you people are capable of that, then you are more then capable of hacking. Your character speaks to it. As for some of the newer people that you recruited, i actually do trust some of them. Even if we had our differences, they never hacked. But your ls in general are about as trustworthy as the reason we entered the iraq war.
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Read the post above yours jackass.
 
Sirelrohir said:
Jamal was in kaizen at one point, right? Did you guys kick him out for hacking? Did he leave for some other reason?

Chasym uses kaizen because its the shell most likely to have someone in it that does that. Why do i say that? Simple, because of your success in end game (insert the he must be jealous comments here, crosis). This is coming from someone that doesnt do endgame anymore. I got bored of waiting around for hours for something to spawn. But i do realize that for you guys to get what you get, there must be something shady going on.
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Well, tbh, that's a rather unfair comment. You don't need to hack to be succesfull at end-game =/ So that really proves nothing.
 
Lavi said:
You're in Kaizen right? Not sure, I really honestly don't know. But I believe you are and you're probably friends with Crosis, Neo and probably Jamal as well. All three of them argued Windower is not a cheat and yet, SE states it is. I see some inconsistancy is all. They want to tell me it's not, but here you are telling because SE says it is, it is, the very same justification I had been giving them about windower. Now, I know windower has very little interaction with other players, but so does flee hacking and POS warping when just used to get to places faster and not in direct competitions.

Neo, the reason no one else responds, is not because you are right, but because no one cares. It's not exactly earth shattering one way or the other.
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Only read up to response 945, I think this was, so far. Yes I'm in Kaizen, and yes I'm friends with Neo and crosis, don't really know jamal well enough to call him a friend. But I do believe windower and such are cheats. But I guess it all comes down to severity again. Windower does nothing you cannot do with multiple computers. I personally don't use, and being ps2 only can't really use, it. Same goes with parse. But at the sametime I like asking what dmg and acc % i'm doing.

Personally I can live with those programs because they pretty much only effect the person using them. Hacks such as pos, fleeing, botting, ect however directly effect other peoples gameplay. Which if you notice SE cracks down on those people. Windower and parse currently don't hurt other players, and SE pretty much turns a blind eye. It seems the world only takes a intrest in stuff that directly effects them. Much like Ulli.
 
Sorry for double posting, but like I said in my last post I was a good 15 pages or so behind.

Chasym said:
and also as for kaizen, and whatever shell gets brought up, and people privatley asking me "Does anyone in this shell hack"
look its simple Every shell has a hacker/cheater in it. every shell, that much im certain.
even if ive never come into contact with any member of that shell, im certain.
thats just how many are out there in this game... if you message me saying "who in CK cheats!? PWZ TELL!!" im not gonna just go oh....heres a name.
the point i give here is all you need to know and keep your eyes open, who gets most of your claims etc.
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What I can't understand is you wont out anyone you don't know but you would out your old shell? Many of which were friends?

Sirelrohir said:
Jamal was in kaizen at one point, right? Did you guys kick him out for hacking? Did he leave for some other reason?
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First off, there is no solid proof that Jamal hacked. I don't understand why you can't see that. Personally it seems like your trying to out him because he's tried to out you in the past. Which I can understand, simply shows that your incapable of taking the higher ground.

Sirelrohir said:
Chasym uses kaizen because its the shell most likely to have someone in it that does that. Why do i say that? Simple, because of your success in end game (insert the he must be jealous comments here, crosis). This is coming from someone that doesnt do endgame anymore. I got bored of waiting around for hours for something to spawn. But i do realize that for you guys to get what you get, there must be something shady going on.
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I guess it has nothing to do with the fact that the shell has been going for 3+ years now? Skill must certainly not play any role in it either. I don't know if your jealous of the shell or not, I cannt read minds. But it seems that your anger towards many members within Kaizen is being miss guided towards the shell it's self.

Sirelrohir said:
The problem is this. Your ls is as guilty as any other ls'. Yet you dont want to admit it, but you do want to talk shit about every other ls out there that isnt the mighty kaizen. Your ego's need to be put in check. You guys are just like every other ls that you talk shit about. You make other ls' do the work to raise a character, then you recruit them out of that shell and into yours. You guys are arrogant and your attitudes are terrible. You send people to CC others at POPPED mobs. Why is that? Hoping the people that popped it lose so you can claim it, without doing any of the work to gather items?
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I think your mistaking ego and morals. I don't think anyone in our shell feels they're better then any other shell. Many shells out there feel the same way as Kaizen does. They don't agree with cheating but will not remove a member based on hearsay. Your post seems most bitter because chasym shot down your dreams of having someone in Kaizen called out as a cheater.

Just because linkshells don't go around saying out right they respect other peoples shells doesn't mean they don't. Just look at Perse, they're pretty much on the same lv with kaizen and integrals(sp?). They've beatin just about everything there is out there short of AV, which none of us have so far. I have every bit of respect for their shell and pray that the claims of one of their members of botting are faulse. I like to think everyone out there is playing fair, I may not like losing claims but I can respect losing to legit ones.

As for stealing other shells pop NM's that joke was hardly funny. Which situation were you referring to? Because if its the AV one I don't think 3 people could've defeated him. Especially since 2 were around lv60. In fact if you look back into the files you see a "flame" from stigmates against kaizen. In this "Flame" stig says how ulli spawned while his shell was camping it and kaizen took the claim. They killed Ulli and without being asked kisada handed the stone to them. How many other shells out there would've done the same? That thread was one of the reasons I wanted to join Kaizen. Showed so much strength in character.

Sirelrohir said:
If you people are capable of that, then you are more then capable of hacking. Your character speaks to it. As for some of the newer people that you recruited, i actually do trust some of them. Even if we had our differences, they never hacked. But your ls in general are about as trustworthy as the reason we entered the iraq war.
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Wern't you one of the people saying Neo's analogy was way to serious to be considered valid? Comparing a linkshell with a reason for going to war is a insult to those who went to war.

In the future I'd hope you'd show some strength in character and stop taking personally grudges you have with it's members out on the shell it's self.
 
Zalbag said:
What I can't understand is you wont out anyone you don't know but you would out your old shell? Many of which were friends?
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i have outed people i dont really know in this very thread, i was just considered a liar on those tho, by most not all.
there were several i was not friends with.
 
Personally i like it when my threads get alot of feedback. Coming home and recieving feedback even thought it means soloing a swarm of attacks from others is better than nothing.

Not saying you enjoy fighting with others Chasym. But are you enjoying this ?
 
I cant believe this has more than 1k replies. Chasym was right, post of the year right here. This has dethroned the Ulli stones thread by a longshot.
 
I hack and sell gil so sue me bitch. :D

Fuck post of the year Chasym is man of the year.

Edit: I just sold IGE 50mil in fake gil. :D
 
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Miruyasha said:
I cant believe this has more than 1k replies. Chasym was right, post of the year right here. This has dethroned the Ulli stones thread by a longshot.
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I have to disagree there alot of pc+1 post in this thread.
 
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WTF, I play on PS2.
 
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LOL PS2 WOW thats a new 1

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