I said "RUN!!!"

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I'm seriously thinking of making a new macro when I want to hold off a mob while everyone zones.

/p "RUN!!! I'LL HOLD IT OFF!!!"
/wait 1
/p "DON'T HEAL ME!!! JUST RUN!!!"
/wait 3 (for compensating that 'what's he's doing?' reaction)
/p "RUN YOU FOOLS!!!!!!!!1" (add the 1 to add to the emergency)

It's because last night, in Yuhtunga Jungle, my second PT got aggroed by a Goblin Butcher. The melees 'voked and darted to the zone. I decided to play hero and Eagle Eye Shot the beast. Sure enough, it came to me, starting to slice through my Copy Images.

/p "RUN!!!"

Everyone darted to the city gates... Save for our two mages.

/p "RYB!!!"
/p "RYB!!!"
/p "RYB!!1"

They just stared at me and the goblin, not moving a single pixel. At that point, I decided to revert to my dastardly instincts and dashed to the zone... Got greeted by 3 other Goblin Butchers at the gates, who took out that last sliver of HPs.

I'm not giving any names, those mages did great in the previous PT, however, it's not the first time I decided to take a bullet. Another time, my PT got aggroed by a Leecher, and I was playing my NIN. I told everyone to run 3 times, and again, the dang mages just stood there. The WHM chanced a Cure on me, not listening to my multiple "RUN!!!" messages. I used my 2-hour on the monster to save my exp, and they had to run just the same.

So please, if someone in the PT says run, LISTEN TO HIM/HER!!! No point in having half the PT say while the other tries to make an escape! Especially when one is ready to bite the bullet!!! SO RUN YOU FOOLS!!!
 
damn straight!
Funny thing was, once I got criticized for running. A guy, a rng, pulled a mob off of our already badly wounded pt. Very noble, he was taking a hit for the team. I thought we were all supposed to book for the zone. Well, I did, and so did two others. 2 stayed, both mages. The rng died, the rdm didnt even budge, and got killed. the other mage also didnt leave and was killed. So the rng got pissed at me because I WAS SUPPOSED TO DIE TOO. Apperantly it is the duty of all melees to die for mages. It makes sense if it means that the mages come back to raise you. thats all good. Thing is, he bought PLENTY of time for EVERYONE (well, except for him I guess) and the mages didnt do anything! They didnt even try to heal him. So I was told I was supposed to help HIM keep the mob off the mages, who weren't even moving.
If I honestly believed that I could have done anything to help the situation, I would have. Dying in the game isnt a big deal, its just a game (but try telling some peole that... oi). But the rng did his job, sacrifice for the rest of us, and the mages wouldnt even run. Silly
 
Happens to me all the time in the dunes. We were all hurt fairly bad. Then someone zones a gob at the Highlands zone, which was where we were at the time, and I tell everyone to zone. One guy says he'll voke it, and he uses charm :? . I told them before the gobs even got to the zone "I'll hold them since I have utsusemi on, and I can recast. Just zone." And they just won't zone. Two do, the BST charms another gob, and arg. I was surprised we all lived. And charm? I mean, it's sort of like voke, but pointless.
 
charm when used against beastmen actually is a bind, it makes them bound,


and im a rdm, i have moderate defense guess what... i also have chainspell
when i cast a cure 4 on the near-dead tank after converting, and using a cure 4 on me, the mosnter will attack me, me the rdm is biting the fucking bullet as you would say, but no, they would rather keep meleeing, finally, when i had like 36 mana left, my 59 lines of RUN RUN RUN god dammit i said run finally got through to them. and they started running, too late, i bit the dust and it went after the main tank next, everyone else made it out alive. it still makes me mad that i probobly, could have no only saved the whole party, had time to zone the thing myself.

o, and please, make the macro
 
If one person runs, without saying anything, they are just dumb.
But if someone says, "RUN!" or any similar phrase, the entire party should just zone. You can always get another MOB.
Better to all just get out safely and return healthy to fight again.
 
A request to all BLM as well on this note:
If you see that your party is in deperate trouble, tanks about to die, whatever, USE ESCAPE!! dont wait to be asked for it, USE IT!
I was in a party in Kuftal Tunnle the other day and we happened to get aggro'd by crabs half-way thru it. BLM started to cast escape, then someone else decided to yell "ZONE!" BLM decide "ok I'll run then", and stopped casting. 3 of us died and then the BLM started casting again, not a bit closer to the zone at this point.
Ok fine, you wanna try to zone with all the crabs you gotta run past, fine. BLM should never need to run in a situation like this. I'd much rather stand beside our wonderful BLM and hope they have the sensability to start casting Escape. running to zone is an last resort if you aren't in a dungeon (nearest teleport crab from the WHM is always welcome at these times) but If you can escape, DO IT!
You may have one or two people upset saying "but we could have taken it!", but I guaruntee that the majority of your party will /praise you for saving them all, not just the XP, but also the downtime waiting for everyones weakened state to wear off. Thank you! /rant
 
i agree here. ^^; in the jungle several times working up ninja my pt would get kinled on and i would take the 1-2 gobs and try to pull them AWAY from zone drop party and explode. always people would voke them off me even after saying run however. /sigh
once you get to the levels where whms have raise however, i learned my lesson. if its a random group comprised of people that youve never worked with before, the best thing to do is eat the death with the other "non running" melees and pt members.
my low lv pts now only see me shout this: "WHM ZONE! we will die, WHM Lives~!"
usually the whm books. any death pre-lv 60 IMHO is not worth complaining about. its just xp and theres no lack of mobs to kill in the game most times.
~Syn
 
coil said:
A request to all BLM as well on this note:
If you see that your party is in deperate trouble, tanks about to die, whatever, USE ESCAPE!! dont wait to be asked for it, USE IT!
I was in a party in Kuftal Tunnle the other day and we happened to get aggro'd by crabs half-way thru it. BLM started to cast escape, then someone else decided to yell "ZONE!" BLM decide "ok I'll run then", and stopped casting. 3 of us died and then the BLM started casting again, not a bit closer to the zone at this point.
Ok fine, you wanna try to zone with all the crabs you gotta run past, fine. BLM should never need to run in a situation like this. I'd much rather stand beside our wonderful BLM and hope they have the sensability to start casting Escape. running to zone is an last resort if you aren't in a dungeon (nearest teleport crab from the WHM is always welcome at these times) but If you can escape, DO IT!
You may have one or two people upset saying "but we could have taken it!", but I guaruntee that the majority of your party will /praise you for saving them all, not just the XP, but also the downtime waiting for everyones weakened state to wear off. Thank you! /rant
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I agree. As a Blm I have 2 things to add. 1) Blm's put escape on a macro. It makes it quicker to start. I also put a notice and a <call> in to let ppl kmow what Im doing. 2) Tanks definitely need to get the mob's attention. Escape takes some time to cast and if I get hit, the spell is interrupted and I have to start over again. If I have to start a second time, chances are good that 1 or 2 ppl will probably be dead.
 
Lol I can completely agree. But really, I am one of those people who likes to go for it. One thing I cant handle is when people do stupid ass stuff. I started bard. Bard can effectively put an enemy to sleep right? Nope, because for some reason engaging BOTH mobs at once allows you to have a better chance of winning. Damn people, the bard can handle the link, let him.

But really, I say one person decides if you run or not. Pisses me off when some level 12 without a subjob calls for help and ruins about 400 exp when it was totally unnecessary.
 
Argh

I need to put in my 2 cents here too. I'm a PLD and as a pld I believe it is my job to die for the Party if the situation calls for it. But I get really pissed off when my party decides that its time to help me out instead of running away like i just spammed to them. It seems as though the majority of players go blind to text when their party is in trouble. Prime example would be not so long ago in Garlaige Citadel, someone kept chain-training citadel bats and fallen evacuees to the zone. It was getting really fricking annoying. So I do what i think more people should do in this damn game and I get aggro by all the mobs and run them close to where they should spawn at (i hit invincible first though since im pretty sure that 5 citadel bats and 3 evacuees can kill a lvl 33 pld with just one hit each). I tell everyone NOT to cast cure or anything on me while i have the mobs BEFORE i engaged them!!!! So I run into the cloud of death and hit invincible after one or two hits, and (shall I pause for dramatic effect) the WHM casts Cure 3 on me, not pulling any hate but making my invincible and self sacrifice totally moot. So I die after telling him to zone before I die, Homepoint to port jeuno, run back, and find the train at the zone again. The party disbands 5 minutes later. Now I have a macro with about 5 cuss words in it and a <call> in each line, I hope it gets my party's attention.
 
Just wanted to saying something about BLM's making an escape macro. I agree great idea, but need to be careful not to hit it on accident. This happened one time to a party I was in, everyone was tired it was really late and the BLM accidently hit his escape macro. So we lost exp. Few people got irratated by it but hey it was a mistake. That's the only problem I see with making that macro though. Have to be careful not to hit it when it's not needed. :)
 
uh yup

i can vouge for that :oops:
Once when i was in a party i casted Warp when it was on a macro
was actually trying to cast bind
the party didnt kick me so i was thankful they didnt die either
so i learned my lesson.... off came the warp macro :oops: :oops: :oops:
 
Thf/Nin in can't even take one(to the Zone) for the team?

:shock:

I can't believe it! I was In Kazham last night, I was about 200 Exp into 25, I had Flee, AT LAST!! Anyway, I'd been casting my shadows, then SA + Fast blade (Yes my Thf uses swords, doubt it? Come Party with me!) and dealing my 120+ damage. Cool, No Prob, were doin good.

Now, Here's where I see the problem. A LS Friend was in the area takin out Gobs for everyone making it nice and safe, and around then was off taking gobs at the Zone. after about the 3rd Chain on the Mandies, we got a Gob Spawn, ok, he starts attacking me 1st. Ok, np, no dmg, Ichi is doing is majic, and I say"/party Got the Goblin Butcher, no heals, not vokes. I'm Taking the Goblin Butcher!!" Nice Macro I had made at 24 in anticipation of My Flee uses. Ok, Had my SA gone, so I figured a Ranged attack would pull and hold the Hate. It landed and I hit Flee. Boom, I take off, and all I see is "Deathdealer Gains 30 HP".

SHIT!

I See one of the Whms crap half his HP out her ass. great, then to make it worse, Boom, Voke! so now our slightly under-equiped tank has 75% HP and a Fresh ass Gob on him. Whms are low as heck from the Chains.

Now what am I supposed to do, No other choice, Blinks gone and SA is ready again. Run up, SA and boom he turns. Macroed again. "/party Got the Goblin Butcher, no heals, not vokes. I'm Taking the Goblin Butcher!!" And Hit Perfect Dodge. Cool, I'm set, I add "Stay here!!" At the least by this time, I can Drag it back to my friend so He can take it off our hands without fear of dying.

Nope, another Cure and the melee is following me! WTF?? (/ctrl +c, up, enter) Repeat the "Stay here!!". Not to sure what made me think that they were going to listen by this point but wth...

Then I see 1, 2, 3, 4...I kid you not, all one hit wonders, dead all the way down. don't worry I made it and so did our wonderful "Tank".

I did figure out the problem after I disbanded the PT 30 mins later after the arguing and yelling: My PT was blind!! and they couldn't read? They forgot to set they're filters so they were over spammed w/ other crap! They thought they were doing the "RIGHT THING" by ignoring the PT leader and the Puller/runner! Take your Pick!

Anyway, my point is, no matter if you "think" your doing the right thing by ignoring the messages posted by your Team leader, something bad is going to happen.

It may have been diff if someone in the Party even said one thing, but nope, nothing, not a single word until afterword, THEN everyone had a great Idea on how it SHOULD have happened...all ending in what I tried to do to begin with! Kazham has become the 2nd Dunes, full of med level Newbs that arn't willing to accept the idea that they DON'T know everything.

Anyway, I'm done...::Sigh::

Sorry for the rant!
 
:shock: ouch
thatll be one of your more enlightening experiences then? :lol:
anywho you really DO have to pay attention to the puller
i was in valkurm the other day (15 PLD)
we had a ninja so he pulled
ok i had to go and so did the leader the ninja refuses to pull before we get replacements:

(Lokkin) Fine ill pull
Lokkin provokes the snipper
(Puller) oh I gotta go too
*puller leaves the party*
(Lokkin)..... wtf am i supposed to do with this?
(Leader)Bring it we can take it anyway

With all due respect we did take it and a few others *4 party members
:lol: :lol: :lol: *
and i and the leader had almost leveled but we really had to go so we just left

if the puller is here....
Hello Reian, I hope you're happy I almost died

If the rest of the party is here
Good job guys I hope to party with you again sometime
 
Oh, my god...I'm so glad someone else understands the meaning of the word run...

I have lost more mages this way...

Here's a hint folks. When the WARRIOR/OTHER TANK in your party says "RUN" RUN YOUR LITTLE ASSES OFF! DON'T HEAL ME! JUST RUN! I'm WILLING to die for a good party! But I am NOT willing to have everyone else die from stupidity! When we say Run or Zone! Get the hell out of there! ;-;
 
lol if i hear "RUN !!!1" from anyone in blue text, i am outta there. have gotten yelled at for running before though ... someone yells run, i run they kill it anyways and i'm evil ... why did they say run then ?
 
Generally, I try to designate one person (usually a tank or whm since those are the primary participants in the battle) to gauge whether or not to run. Sometimes sideline people just freak out and say "omg omg omg.... another one, RUN" but I think if the tank and whm think we can handle it, then we're ok. If someone freaks out and everyone follows suit, there's usually more deaths because no ones sure if we really have to run. It's good to have one person dictating whether or not to run.

Tank because they can grab the hate and take the hits if everyone starts running.

Whm (actually, the "healer" of the group) because if they're not there, the party is just going on their current HP.
 
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