If you agree to do something, show up on time.

CubsWoo

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I swear to fucking Christ I'm going to start scheduling things 90 minutes 'early' so the start time can be when I actually want it to. And just because you know things are going to start late doesn't mean you can BE late just b/c other people WILL be (as in, a WHM who was pting while we were running late that said they'd leave only when we were 3/4ths of the way there, so they could still XP until the 11th hour.)

Whether I'm organizing something or joining it, I can't remember anything in the last 6 months or so actually starting on time ('on time' meaning 15 minutes after posted start time.) This is especially important when people in that group have something to do later in the day. For example, Tyrath's last Optical Hat group run. We had 5 people who wanted hats, and had we started at his posted start time we would have had ~2 1/2, maybe 3 hours to get it done before people had to go.

Instead...

- I get my invite at the start time, ready to go. There are 3 people in the party, which soon becomes 5. We are now 10 minutes past start time.

- People continue to get organized. We are now 30 minutes past start time. Both BRDs that had offered to go have not logged on or are otherwise 'busy.' Noone seems to want to 'risk' their Cluster w/out a BRD.

- The group heads towards the Temple anyway. I find a BRD in my LS who is wrapping up a party and will come along. We are now 45 minutes past start time.

- At the same time, one of the hat-goers just now realizes they forgot their cluster. They are warped back. It is now 50 minutes past start time. One of the NINs (Vang) says he can only stay for three hats. This is fine. Tyrath says we will need to 'prioritize' hats.

- Bard finally arrives and we all enter Den of Rancor. It is now one hour past start time.

- We head towards Hakutaku. Someone gets aggro and promptly dies. Raises etc. Someone else gets aggro, dies. Raised. Right before Hakutaku camp, someone else gets aggro and multiple Fluid Spreads kill 6 or 7 people. Raises. It is now one hour and fifteen minutes past start time.

- We clear the area, and Tyrath says he's going first. It is now 90 minutes past start time, and it's looking like we will get 2 hats in, maximum, before people have to leave.

- The first fight begins. It is one of the DRK's first Hakutaku fights, and he Stuns things like IV's, Ancient Magic, and I believe Blaze Spikes once. We try to tell him to only Stun -ga's. I somehow pull hate with punching (No, I wasn't SATA'd onto, I checked the log) and decided I'm just gonna Chi Blast from now on. The fight takes over twenty minutes. Tyrath gets his hat. While waiting for the ??? to respawn, the 'priority' issue is neglected and we /random for next (and likely final) hat. I do not roll high. This irritates me. We have five minutes before two people need to leave.

- Those two people leave as the next ??? pops. Hakutaku is spawned and everyone eats an immediate -ga III. No Stuns. Chaos ensues.

- The situation is brought under control. Until more chaos. Both NINs die multiple times, as do many other people. Stun orders get confused as DRKs are dying left and right. Mages are grabbnig hate. I eat another -ga III. It's looking hopeless, I can do next to nothing to save the day, and I had other engagements in ~10 minutes, so I hit my Cudgel and get the hell out of Dodge. I stay in party to view the running commentary.

- Hilarity ensues. Everyone seems to be in full panic mode. My BRD is telling me how horrible this run has been compared to his LS runs and the like. He eats multiple R1s and an eventual HP. I feel bad for him. I feel less bad for the full wipe on Hakutaku and the lost cluster. Tyrath also leveled down to 69 in the chaos, thus losing the ability to wear his hat. I feels sad, but also an interesting undercurrent of karmic justice. I am glad that was not my cluster.

- I cannot help but think this could have been avoided if we had begun with all members ready and able to go at the start time.

The next night, my Windy Mission static was wrapping up. All in all they were a great group, but again, schedule conflicts.

- I arrive in Horutoto ready to go. The WHM and RDM are also ready for the 8-2 trigger-spawn fight, but the NIN is fighting Kirin (and a second Kirin I was unaware of,) the BLM is in Dynamis (won, and grats on that, but also stayed the full time to farm) and the SAM was the only one of the 6 who didn't grab the Davoi and Fei'Yin rings during the day.

Thankfully everything else went super-smooth and we got all the running around done in about 5 hours or so (not bad when you have to go to the three goddamn corners of Vana'diel for fucking cutscenes.

In conclusion:

: A posted start time IS THE FUCKING START TIME. Start at 6 means START AT SIX, not 'Meet in Jeuno 20 minutes later because other people are running late.'

: If you have commitments later in the night, don't be one of the late ones.

: If you show up late, you forfeit your right to bitch about the way things are going, because if you'd shown up on time in the first place the whole group would likely be in a sunnier mood.

: If you're the focus of a group gathering, make sure you have everything you need to complete what you're gathering for.

Thank you and good night.
 
OHat runs are a black hole that consume so much time. They take forever to organize, get there, and then the fights take a long time. My most detested activity after zm8. :? Arriving at start time is always such a problem in dyanmsis. I just show up and sit down to watch tv for an hour knowing everyone won't arrive until 1-2 hours after the posted start time. I think the last run I went on had 8 people in the ls at start time. :lol:
 
CubsWoo said:
- I arrive in Horutoto ready to go. The WHM and RDM are also ready for the 8-2 trigger-spawn fight, but the NIN is fighting Kirin (and a second Kirin I was unaware of,) the BLM is in Dynamis (won, and grats on that, but also stayed the full time to farm) and the SAM was the only one of the 6 who didn't grab the Davoi and Fei'Yin rings during the day.

Thankfully everything else went super-smooth and we got all the running around done in about 5 hours or so (not bad when you have to go to the three goddamn corners of Vana'diel for fucking cutscenes.
You forgot to mention that while I was there on time, I forgot to talk to two NPCs, so I still suck... but I still wasn't the last one back to the ruin after warping to windy and chocoing back to the ruin teehee ^^;
 
That sounds pretty standard for a HKTK run, 1-2 hours in jeuno forming, then when you get to the den someone that has never been there for some reason thinks they can run off on their own and find the camp. I've never seen a wipe though, it's a fairly easy fight if you have people that pay attention.

ps - stunning blaze spikes, lmao
 
deathsvengeance said:
CubsWoo said:
- I arrive in Horutoto ready to go. The WHM and RDM are also ready for the 8-2 trigger-spawn fight, but the NIN is fighting Kirin (and a second Kirin I was unaware of,) the BLM is in Dynamis (won, and grats on that, but also stayed the full time to farm) and the SAM was the only one of the 6 who didn't grab the Davoi and Fei'Yin rings during the day.

Thankfully everything else went super-smooth and we got all the running around done in about 5 hours or so (not bad when you have to go to the three goddamn corners of Vana'diel for fucking cutscenes.
You forgot to mention that while I was there on time, I forgot to talk to two NPCs, so I still suck... but I still wasn't the last one back to the ruin after warping to windy and chocoing back to the ruin teehee ^^;

Well, it was mentioned that we will be starting late. I told i was coming a little late and asked to farm the other items as i farmed earlier. But again, I'm did not arrive the last.
 
Anyways, we did state that Kanash and I will be coming late due to Dynamis on the first metting. I didn't go as my ls needed me for Kirin Fight. Again, both of us arrived together after our work is done.
 
sorry about the separate post.
I did said sorry for being late for that sudden wanted attention by the ls.
If you can't accept, I wouldn't weep to beg for forgiveness.
I have done my part in the end. And this post will not make me upset as I done what I am suppose to do and finish all nations' missions.
 
Scheaduled events are like murder, of the ten things you need to do you are lucky if you remember nine. :?

I tend to be on time and fairly set, but I always seem to forget one little five-ten minute task. :(
 
Murphy's Law...

It's frustrating though. Whenever a mission or quest is getting together that I'm involved in, I generally find that I'm one of the few that has done any background research. It's amazing what 10 minutes of reading can do.
 
Noone seems to want to 'risk' their Cluster w/out a BRD.

Kasuke tanked the eye with 0 bards and Paralyna being spammed on him, so I honestly think whoever did not want to put up their cluster was a jackass.
 
Just to let you know, Kira, I wasn't upset at you, just at the situation in general. It was a lot of fun getting the missions done with you. ^^
 
This goes with a lot of things, and it makes me think, Do you go to the airport and expect the plane to wait for you? No, and this is why most of the time the way JPs mostly operate is better, the time they give is DEPARTURE time, not arrival time. From all the JP events I've been involved in, the most delay is maybe 10 minutes or so.

If you know in advance what time the event is scheduled for, plan around it, not bullshit around.

I'm not trying to push JP superiority, but just saying that that's how they generally operate, the time set is the time they leave. If you're not there on time, you're screwed. They'll find an immediate replacement, and get back on schedule.

But back to my first statement, it's just like going to the airport. The plane isn't going to wait for you, you're there hours earlier to be ready. You have everything you need, and if you're early, you well, wait. (Or sleep, or eat, lol.) But the point being, is you're there on-time. You know how annoying it is at the airport or even train station when things are running late or even canceled! People should think of it that way next time.
 
I really hate that... Svina had people gather together at 7 so we could start up earlier time... but noo.. didn't start until 9 cause of so many going AFK or not online yet or the whatnot.. I swear.. if I run something again.. if you aren't there within 15 minutes of the time I stated.. we are going on without you >.>
 
Yeah, if it's a viable option, I would recommend just replacing people who show up more than 10 minutes late. If they decided to come late, then screw them, you don't owe them anything, replace them.
 
I sympathize with all those who take it in their hands to lead an event. All I can say is that you can't please everyone all the time . . . and tardiness (without reason) is an insult to those who have prepared and are ready for an event to begin.

A leader's responsibility is to cater to those who support and respect those who step to the challenge of organizing multiple players to achieve a common goal. It's an insult to those who support you to cater to the unexcused tardiness of players.

I'd say that if you make a start time, stick to it. If you bend, you'll always bend.

P.S.
If Kira is late, definitely leave without him. hehehe.
 
After waiting 15 min waiting for all 5 members i had scheduled zm4 with, none of which showed for 3-4 hours, i just went with others and asked for help from ppl that were online at the time. I got that and zm5 done that day.

In the middle of zm5, i get 2 angry tells from ppl that i left out that had just logged. Told em to back off, and i stopped caring when they were late.
 
_Neosquall_ said:
Noone seems to want to 'risk' their Cluster w/out a BRD.

Kasuke tanked the eye with 0 bards and Paralyna being spammed on him, so I honestly think whoever did not want to put up their cluster was a jackass.

When the main nin tanking it tells you its a risk without a brd, would you really want to try? I asked if anyone wanted to without a brd, met with silence.

Yeah, the thing started sooo late and screwed it all up. But can you blame me for going first after Vang said he would have time to tank mine and 2 others and other people agreed I should go first? What did you want me to say? "Oh, I set this thing up, brought most people here, but thats ok I don't mind not being able to go."

The priority thing, I tried to talk to Vang since his word seemed to have more effect as he was the tank. But he was afk and the people already randomed it all out by the time he came back. I was gonna try again before the 3rd one but you saw what happened on the 2nd hktk...

As for delvling, I was actually kinda glad. I was only 245 tnl and it made me happy to get a pt, level up and pull out my Balmung and O hat. I like having gear ready for when I lvl but the first time I got 70 I didnt have these 2 things :P

Anyways, I'm sry to the people who didn't get to go, most of all to Meridith who lost her cluster :cry: If any of you do a run I'll be happy to come along and help.

PS: I heard the 3rd drk say he was gonna get meri a cluster, I dunno what happened with that
 
Tyrath said:
Yeah, the thing started sooo late and screwed it all up. But can you blame me for going first after Vang said he would have time to tank mine and 2 others and other people agreed I should go first? What did you want me to say? "Oh, I set this thing up, brought most people here, but thats ok I don't mind not being able to go."

IIRC in Lanien's run he /randomed with the rest of them, didn't he go like third or fourth? But I guess since yours ran much later and didn't have as many of the 'necessary' jobs you got to go before 2-3 people took off and left the rest of the possible hats undermanned?
 
Yeah, I went 3rd. I don't really think there is anything wrong with Tyrath going first, since he organized most of it. Everyone would have gotten their hat, or at least 3 people if there was good stunning. I won't mention names, except say that Tyrath was the only one hitting all his stuns, while also trying to cover the other 2's asses. I died 3 times, 1 of which was my fault, the other 2 because of poor stunning. That's 6 deaths total for O Hats. Fun, huh? lol
 
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