Interview with a gil seller.

Chasym said:
my friend explained it to me like this.
Said its called Packet Sniffing
Said it has to do with the Send and Recieve feeds your internet connection and the game have between each other.
Information is sent to you before it actually appears on the screen, therefore the program will sniff it out and know that it is about to spawn and start preparing the provoke.
Said it has nothing to do with a timer. Sounds really upsetting to even think about.
he also said there are plenty more bots out there and only this one does the invisible thing.
so chances are if the gil sellers are killing other mobs in the area, he said that means theres no way they are using this bot, they are using older slower ones.
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yup sadly a lotta bots now use packet sniffing tools to make the bots more "smart".
 
As far as I know Packet Sniffing is traceable by the server and high risk for getting banned, and saying "most" bots use it is an overstatement, Im betting very few people across the entire FFXI server network have tools to do this.
 
there's a solution to this, use frap at all times.... try and talk with the fuckers. see if you can get any form of admittance and then call the gms.. get these bastards out...
 
decidence said:
As far as I know Packet Sniffing is traceable by the server and high risk for getting banned, and saying "most" bots use it is an overstatement, Im betting very few people across the entire FFXI server network have tools to do this.
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ehhh packet sniffing is like intercepting info yeah? hmmm ud be surprised unforunately.
 
decidence said:
As far as I know Packet Sniffing is traceable by the server and high risk for getting banned, and saying "most" bots use it is an overstatement, Im betting very few people across the entire FFXI server network have tools to do this.
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If all you are doing is reading the data being sent then the server would not be able to detect it. The client how ever can be written to detect it and send an alert back to the server.

Most people in general do not know how to write any kind of bot. They simple download something someone else has written, but with the large amount of people playing the game, there are a higher number of programmers playing. Out of them a large number of them should have the skills needed.

The unusual factor though, is bots for FFXI tend to be somewhat difficult to find, compared to other games.
 
Blackchaoshero said:
there's a solution to this, use frap at all times.... try and talk with the fuckers. see if you can get any form of admittance and then call the gms.. get these bastards out...
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The GMs still will not ban a person even if they say they are a Gil Seller or that they are using a Bot. They do not consider it proof since a person could be lying. (Odd, I know but that is how they see it).



Also someone earlier said something about someone getting banned for using a Flee Bot. If it is the thread I remember the person was investigated on suspicion of using a Flee Bot, but was actually banned for cussing out the GM or at least that is what I remember from the conversation.
 
Yeah thats what i thot Pascal, that they didnt actually hack. XD

isn't the post called [GM]shitforbrains or something? =)
 
Well, all this information about pings and bots and external software is really interesting (even if I can't understand half of it, I am such a computer illeterate).

But on the subject of sonicteam and his crew in Ordelle's cave, my ls and myself spent the whole afternoon there last Saturday. If these gill sellers don't use a program, they are unhumanly fast. We had 14 people there at one point, spread all over the place (well not really, I'll explain later) and managed to get 4-5 claims all afternoon (I got one, woohoo!!! Beat Flagaan to it!).

One thing I realized is SE did not do shit to help Stroper Chyme's camping by regular players. Yes the added spawned points..... bullshit. It still spawns in a regular order between the points:

1) In the big room (up the ledge, so really not that big of an area)
2) Up the stairs, sometime in the tunnels left and right
3) Left of the stairs, at the top (I think it's North) in the tunnels

Someone said there was a 4th point down a cliff, but after the 3rd point I mentionned, they all ran back down to the big room and restarted the cycle. Room, up and left.... I followed them for 3 hours trying to steal Chyme and this is all they were doing! So really, once you know that, you can always know where it will spawn next. And usually, if you run to the next point as soon as it's dead, it will spawn within 5 minutes of your arrival.

Knowing this, sonicteam and his crew just position themselves in such a way that the cover the whole spawning area. Back to back in tunnels, so the are watching every direction without anyone changing the angle of its camera. Then yes, they probably have a 3rd party software just voke constantly. BUT it is beatable.

On the claim I got, the bard that is with them (with war subbed of course), can't remember the name Flagaan or something, was facing me in a tunnel and Stroper spawned right between us. What I did is I had my macro set as /ja "Provoke" <st> then activated it when I was set in position and waiting. I selected Flagaan so I would not select her by mistake (I am on PS2). As soon as Stroper started appearing, I selected it and pressed X to confirm. Saved me from selecting it, pressing L1 to open the macro menu then press X to select a macro, maybe half of a second, but I'm sure it helped.

I have absolutely no experience at NM camping, but I am sure that a team of people experienced with it, knowing the spawn points rotation and organized in positionning themselves could give these guys a run for there money.

Just my 2 cents...
 
One of the ppl is friends with me also... i used to camp stroper all night when i had school tommorrow and i'd cuss them like hell but one day i started owning em cuz of my new technique but stroper kicked my ass at war 52.So i said "If i had never ending hp i'd own u biches".And nuki started healing me everytime i calimed argus and lol he does it everytime i'm in ordelles and when hes playing under a whm char.I dunno might be a she.Also told me he'd help me get teh ring on a different char if i send her tell if i ever need one.But i was too lazy to ask.i'm like 1/40 on stroper so far n got like 36 claims in like afew hrs with a friend.
I dont think they are from china though... china has a slow ass net as compared to america and its communist anway.Secondly they might be using u to spread that they are chineese...
 
I was in a couple of PTs camping stroper chyme(s) while SonicTeam was in the area. I'd say we got it about half the time, and they got it half the time. This was a couple months ago. Maybe they've changed their method since then.

Someone once told me that if you have the Japanese version of the game you can make a macro to target an NM using its name, like
/ja Provoke "Stray Mary"
.
Can anybody confirm that?
 
asanarama said:
I was in a couple of PTs camping stroper chyme(s) while SonicTeam was in the area. I'd say we got it about half the time, and they got it half the time. This was a couple months ago. Maybe they've changed their method since then.

Someone once told me that if you have the Japanese version of the game you can make a macro to target an NM using its name, like
/ja Provoke "Stray Mary"
.
Can anybody confirm that?
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I cannot confirm for the Japanese version, but I can confirm it does not work on the PS2 one. Again, the quickest way I found so far is the /ja "Provoke" <st> macro and have it activated. But you still need to see the mob spawn.
 
Hii..

Okay, I love hunting NMs, fairly I might add. Its damn hard work as you might know and as much as I despise cheaters and botters its just become something you have to put up with. There's no point screwing your nut anymore because nothing really gets done about it and its not worth the stress getting angry about it.

So.. I just continue camping... My luck will come again soon.

Its is my understanding that you cannot target a NPC by its name. I tried doing that in my early NM hunting days on Hoo Mjuu the Torrent - it doesnt work, even up close (I lost the NM because of this - at least its tried and tested).

Also, having read much of this thread I had an idea. I personally use a fileswap so that my Mog House Moogle (and every Moogle for that matter) has the model of Cornelia - the Bastokian girl. Anyway, I was thinking, what if GS (Gil Sellers) players remove all of the model files for standard mobs and leave the NM models intact. Does that mean that only the NM shows up (in view and/or on map)? Just a logical idea that popped in my head.

I have caught NM several times and have had drops. Its just hard work thats all. Personally, I either ignore the fact that GS are in the area and am nice to anyone I meet, regardless of their business. Kindness goes a long way, they may even help you out if you show them a little respect (I know that sounds crazy). I am not an aggressive person at all. All I do is smile and wave.

Just using your head will allow you to beat the GS players. You have to be smart about it. If you ever need a hand camping something, feel free to ask me and I wil help out if I can! No charge.

I think having a Vana'diel Clock helps to... don't quote me. I haven't got one but if you're away from your desk but still within range to hear the bell, it could be handy.

I have a few tricks up my sleeve about hunting NMs and they do not violate player regulations. That said, my tricks arent full proof and dont always work but it is a boost in chances obtaining the mob.

The GMs can only advise you use good tactics. You can beat botters and GS players easily if you know what you're doing and you plan well.

My NM drop/kills are in my signature.

Oooo!! Pop!! /range
 
No, Kea, that wouldn't work, the game would just crash when any other mob pops. If it didn't crash the mobs wouldn't load but you could still target them. It would be like in Jeuno when so many models are there that your parties members don't load and when you target them it is like it is targeting the ground.

and btw /ja Provoke <Stray Mary> WILL work, but only if your targeting Stray Mary. (Tried and Tested on PC)
 
Tsumaru said:
No, Kea, that wouldn't work, the game would just crash when any other mob pops. If it didn't crash the mobs wouldn't load but you could still target them. It would be like in Jeuno when so many models are there that your parties members don't load and when you target them it is like it is targeting the ground.

and btw /ja Provoke <Stray Mary> WILL work, but only if your targeting Stray Mary. (Tried and Tested on PC)
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Thats cool but whats the point of /ja provoke <Stray Mary> only if you have it targetted if you can just use /ja provoke <t>?

I think it may be because you have acquired a target already <Stray Mary> doesn't actually have any significance, thus, the only thing that works in that macro is

/ja Provoke

I could be wrong. Correct me if I am^^
 
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