Iraq - Bring soldiers back ... ?

Darkdante said:
If you start treating your country men as the bad guys do you think a "civil war" will ever cease?
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Countrymen is one thing. Good is another.
Countrymen became the enemy.
The war ended with countrymen (in this case the enemy) in defeat.

The whole world is not the U.S.
War is war between any two or more different countries.
War is civil war when the battles are fought between similar countrymen fighting for different things.
Either way, war is just the worst case scenario of a disagreement.


If the Iraqis decide to fight over how things are run (very likely), then they will do so.
No amount of hand-holding will prevent it...It won't be prevented if we are there for 50 years.
The ideals that these people are fighting for are ages old, and part of their fabric as a people. Sure, many are up for the change...But many are not.

I think our troops should stay, giving a deadline for departure. This way the Iraqis who wish to maintain their new found establishment will have a chance to prepare for the hand-off.
It's just my opinion, but we cannot stay there forever. We need to leave. There is nothing wrong with phasing out.

There will be fighting with or without us. The stronger of the ideals, according to the Iraqi people, will come out on top in the end. Ultimately, after we do hand the country completely back to them, that's for them to decide.
 
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well this is a pretty nice thread lol dont knock me now i happen to be sitting right here in iraq as i write this lol im a 11b which is infintry hooah!! anyway im glad yous guys back home think about the f-up country this is err i really have no point more of a thank you for thinking about us
 
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ryder23 said:
well this is a pretty nice thread lol dont knock me now i happen to be sitting right here in iraq as i write this lol im a 11b which is infintry hooah!! anyway im glad yous guys back home think about the f-up country this is err i really have no point more of a thank you for thinking about us
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/respect


So what do you think, just out of curiosity? DO you think we should stay (if so, for how long), or do you think we should leave (if so, how soon)?
 
if you put thought into what would happen if we left, you can imagine what will happen.
obviously, no american troops will die. however, they are going to have a civil war regardless. the people with more guns and more numbers on their side will win. that side will be the ones starting the chaos in the first place. they will eventually get another dictator...just like saddam. every group has some sort of leader. and the leader of the rebellious group will more than likely pronounce himself leader for the simple fact that he can.

and yes, chances are, one of the reasons why we are still there is because of protecting and securing oil trade. world trade makes the world go round. without oil trade to the middle east, prices will skyrocket because we have to rely on less sources. if we get a decent government over in iraq, it will help in the long run for our oil trade. the government wants to get someone that is reliable into the iraqi office that wont have a problem dealing with world trade with other countries.
if we dont get that trade, you can imagine what happens. look what happened after the hurricane hit louisiana. and that was just a small scale of the worlds oil.

i cant agree more than getting people home. ive been there and done that. i dont like being in foreign countries. however, you have to think of the big picture. if we can get a legit government into iraq, it helps the rest of the world unite. we wont have to worry about a country that has the possibility of producing mass destruction weapons and using them on the slightest whim.
 
this is my second time being over here most of us dont want to be here but we have no chioce ive lost friends i belive we sholdnt be here if they cant help themselves with us here we dont belong but thats just one ittlie grunts thoughts i do my job and hope to survive a second time see you guys when i get back to the states to play again HOOAH!!!
 
Something to note, we, that is the West calls Iraq a county. In all reality its not, its lines on the map that was drawn up along with the treaty of versilles, with no thought on ethnic backgrounds and conflicts. There are only 2 types of people the shittes and sunnis hate more then eachother, that is the Isralies and the Americans. And even then they can not truely come together to fight either of the groups.

Proof of this is seen in all 5-6 wars against Isreal. They all ended in crushing victories. Why? How could Allainces of 4-5 countries that vastly outnumbered the Isrealis get so badly beaten? When the atacks came, it was not one arm, or even 4, but hundreds of bands that fought independintly of eachother.

No matter how you cut it Iraq should never have been a nation, there is no unifing factor that groups its people together. It was held together with the iron fist of a dictator. As it is, Iraq would probaly been better off with Sadaam Hussien.

I know there are spelling errors but I do not have a spellchecker loaded atm.
 
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